F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[BON PLAN]

Well you claiming the F-35 trials was not a success is the real fake news. The flight trials might be over, but subsequent to the flight trials, there is an extensive debrief and assimilation of results and this is now ongoing. 4 contenders remain. There is virtually no real contender to the F-35 when it comes to sensory and next gen advantages.

No need of days or weeks to see if, among the 8 tests flights, all were fruitfull....
And we know that in the SH18 case, at least one plane suffer from a breakdown, and in the F35 case, the look down shoot down capacity of the radar was short (between a montain valley and a desert flat range, there are some differencies....) So, another time, put your fake news were you want (an advice : in something writed with a "a" and two "s" )

 

[BON PLAN]

Besides the version on offer are the F-35 is the Block 4 which offers a wider set of weapons to operate directly from the start than any other contender. The Swiss would have a wide choice of weapons they can plug and play. Moreso, even the Block 3 SH is stronger contender than the Rafale. The Swiss pilots love the Hornets and SH Block 3 would be the cheapest among the lot and lowest in infra costs as well.

Block 4 is not ready.
Arma swiss explicitely need a standard on use in 2019. So it's not the block 4.

SH18 block 3.... a old cow. You may love FA18 and find the SH18 heavy and lazy. The sole real asset is the radar.

 

[BON PLAN]

There is virtually no real contender to the F-35 when it comes to sensory and next gen advantages.

LOL.
As said, the look down shoot down capacity of the radar was short.
And it is well known that the internal laser designation system isn't as effective as SNIPER pod and don't seems fully approved for fast moving target as Pick Up. Wonderfull Sensors indeed.

Other advantages? A huge support costs. A need of 4 planes when the others came with 2. A stable and FOC standard always pushed back. A plane lost in Japan for unknown reason. A poor dispnibility rate.

 

[Immanuel]

Block 4 is not ready.
Arma swiss explicitely need a standard on use in 2019. So it's not the block 4.

SH18 block 3.... a old cow. You may love FA18 and find the SH18 heavy and lazy. The sole real asset is the radar.

Well tell that to LM which has offered block 4 in the delivery timelines. You may hate the Block 3 SH, it's still a better fit for the Swiss who love cows by the way. The SH Block 3 is bound to be the cheapest of the lot with heavy upgrades and a natural evolution on the F-18 which they know and love.

Boeing can leverage it's deep ties in the Swiss industry already for many years now.

 

[Jameson Emoni]

LOL.
The F35 trial was not a great success.
The Swiss team was worried to see 4 planes when all the others sent 2 units. And Armasuiss need a mature system... It's not the F35 case.

No. The game will be played between SH18 and Rafale.
My 2 cents....

For India : US pressures were not enough to avoid a S400 purchase... So not aligned my dear and old foe friend.

I hope Swiss would give F-35 a fair chance. In this turbulent world, you need a good multi-role fighter like F-35. Besides, it is cost economical. It is cheaper than any other aircraft in its category.

 

[BON PLAN]

I hope Swiss would give F-35 a fair chance. In this turbulent world, you need a good multi-role fighter like F-35. Besides, it is cost economical. It is cheaper than any other aircraft in its category.

F35 a good multi role fighter?
You forget it was studied as a A10 and F16 CAS missions replacement = not a fighter, more a medium CAS bomber.
You forget that as for now it is only IOC (and a political IOC...), so not good because not FOC yet (maybe later... in 2030)

LM tried to make it multi role, but they failed.

You will see that it will not be the Swiss choice. The game is between SH18 and Rafale.

 

[asianobserve]

As I said before the SH is more than enough for Swiss needs. The F-35 is an overkill.

 

[StealthFlanker]

New AMRAAM replacement coming
http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/Air-Force-Developing-AMRAAM-Replacement-to-Counter-China.aspx


The Air Force is developing a new air-to-air missile, dubbed the AIM-260, that offers longer range than Raytheon’s Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile and would be used to counter the Chinese PL-15 weapon.

Air Force Weapons Program Executive Officer Brig. Gen. Anthony Genatempo told reporters in a June 20 interview here the service is working with Lockheed Martin, the Army, and the Navy to field the Joint Advanced Tactical Missile in 2022. Work began about two years ago.

“It has a range greater than AMRAAM, different capabilities onboard to go after that specific [next generation air-dominance] threat set, but certainly longer legs,” he said. “As I bring up JATM production, AMRAAM production is kind of going to start tailing off.”

The weapon is initially planned to fly in the F-22’s main weapons bay and on the Navy’s F/A-18, with the F-35 to follow. Flight tests will begin in 2021 and initial operational capability is slated for 2022, Genatempo said.

“It is meant to be the next air-to-air air dominance weapon for our air-to-air fighters,” he said.

The Air Force will buy its last AMRAAMs in fiscal 2026 as JATM ramps up, answering combatant commanders’ needs, Genatempo said.

He told Air Force Magazine the service hasn’t settled on how many JATMs it might buy in the outyears or how the program will ramp up.

“The future of what JATM looks like, especially out in that outyear increment, is very, very up in the air right now,” Genatempo said. “As far as lot sizes go, it’s on the order of a couple hundred per lot and I don’t think we have a definite plan.”

He expects JATM could be in production as long as AMRAAM, which was first deployed in 1991.

 

[StealthFlanker]

LOL.
As said, the look down shoot down capacity of the radar was short.
And it is well known that the internal laser designation system isn't as effective as SNIPER pod and don't seems fully approved for fast moving target as Pick Up. Wonderfull Sensors indeed.

Other advantages? A huge support costs. A need of 4 planes when the others came with 2. A stable and FOC standard always pushed back. A plane lost in Japan for unknown reason. A poor dispnibility rate.

No
The field of view was narrow in surface search mode, the range is ok
The laser designator is the same as Sniper pod, but it didn't have pre lead function, because modern laser guided weapon can calculate the lead for themselves.
Also the accident in Japan is due to pilot

 

[StealthFlanker]

potential f-35I weapon
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...gate-into-air-launched-bunker-busting-missile

 

[BON PLAN]

Also the accident in Japan is due to pilot

source ?

 

[Immanuel]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48578178

The pilot gave no indication he was in trouble and there is no evidence he tried to eject his seat. He had only 60 flying hours in the F-35A.

The JASDF said in a press release: "It seems highly likely that the pilot was suffering from vertigo and was unaware of his condition."

It said it was unlikely the crash was caused by "technical problems with the aircraft".

Defence Minister Takeshi Iwaya told a briefing the spatial awareness issue could "affect any pilot regardless of their experience".

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48578178

The pilot gave no indication he was in trouble and there is no evidence he tried to eject his seat. He had only 60 flying hours in the F-35A.

The JASDF said in a press release: "It seems highly likely that the pilot was suffering from vertigo and was unaware of his condition."

It said it was unlikely the crash was caused by "technical problems with the aircraft".

Defence Minister Takeshi Iwaya told a briefing the spatial awareness issue could "affect any pilot regardless of their experience".

were these planes in a dog fight training?

 

[Immanuel]

No need of days or weeks to see if, among the 8 tests flights, all were fruitfull....
And we know that in the SH18 case, at least one plane suffer from a breakdown, and in the F35 case, the look down shoot down capacity of the radar was short (between a montain valley and a desert flat range, there are some differencies....) So, another time, put your fake news were you want (an advice : in something writed with a "a" and two "s" )

Any source for your claim or you're just running your mouth as always?

 

[asianobserve]

U.S. cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from F-35 program: Turkish defense official

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TM0UD

 

[asianobserve]

F-35 Block 4 upgrades:

 

[Jameson Emoni]

U.S. cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from F-35 program: Turkish defense official

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TM0UD

Will Turkey have both S-400 and F-35?

 

[Jameson Emoni]

F35 a good multi role fighter?
You forget it was studied as a A10 and F16 CAS missions replacement = not a fighter, more a medium CAS bomber.
You forget that as for now it is only IOC (and a political IOC...), so not good because not FOC yet (maybe later... in 2030)

LM tried to make it multi role, but they failed.

You will see that it will not be the Swiss choice. The game is between SH18 and Rafale.

I meant to say multi-role aircraft. With a rising threat of China and Russia, I think it will be a good idea for Switzerland to go for the best stuff which is F-35. F-18 is also good. May be Switzerland should consider both F-35 and F-18.

 

[BON PLAN]

Any source for your claim or you're just running your mouth as always?

The same kind of sources that confirmed me that India will ink a 36 Rafale deal when you said it will never happen.

 

[BON PLAN]

Will Turkey have both S-400 and F-35?

Never. !