F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
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Neutrality is not solely up to you. You can always be forced into taking sides.
F-35 being linked to US network is a good thing for Switzerland. They will be able to take advantage of world class information sharing communication system.
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F35 transfer data to USA . It was again pointed out in recent deficiency report. And it is bound by end user agreement with USA. Swiss can't decide to use it without USA approval.
It is akin to pledging your foreign policy to USA.
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Whats the point of this discussion? Swiss has been operating F-18 for a long time. They are closely aligned with the US.
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Ok just checked . It seems I'm misinformed on the issue.
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U.S. and Italian F-35As Integrated Operationally For The First Time Using MADL during Astral Knight 2019 Exercise
As explained in a previous post about the F-35, MADL is a secure datalink that allows Lightning II aircraft to communicate among each other or with other platforms using the same technology, like the B-2 bomber and ships equipped with the AEGIS Combat System. MADL increases the capabilities of a formation of F-35s, sharing sensors and data from each aircraft to create greater Situational Awareness, as done by the F-22s in Syria.
The interconnection systems available to the F-35 are not even comparable to the previous ones according to the pilots. “The available bandwidth capacity allows us to transfer much more information, which also translates into a better quality of “service”. It is like comparing the connectivity and services offered by the GSM mobile network with the current 4G networks: with the bandwidth available 10 years ago we could at most send text messages; today we can use Whatsapp and attach images, emoticons, audio and video files to the text”, the Italian Air Force’s 32° Stormo (Wing) Commander of Col. Davide Marzinotto told us in a recent interview.
In fact, this ability of the F-35 to interconnect with other actors and transfer data at high speed allows the development of tactics never seen before.
https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/...sing-madl-during-astral-knight-2019-exercise/
As explained in a previous post about the F-35, MADL is a secure datalink that allows Lightning II aircraft to communicate among each other or with other platforms using the same technology, like the B-2 bomber and ships equipped with the AEGIS Combat System. MADL increases the capabilities of a formation of F-35s, sharing sensors and data from each aircraft to create greater Situational Awareness, as done by the F-22s in Syria.
The interconnection systems available to the F-35 are not even comparable to the previous ones according to the pilots. “The available bandwidth capacity allows us to transfer much more information, which also translates into a better quality of “service”. It is like comparing the connectivity and services offered by the GSM mobile network with the current 4G networks: with the bandwidth available 10 years ago we could at most send text messages; today we can use Whatsapp and attach images, emoticons, audio and video files to the text”, the Italian Air Force’s 32° Stormo (Wing) Commander of Col. Davide Marzinotto told us in a recent interview.
In fact, this ability of the F-35 to interconnect with other actors and transfer data at high speed allows the development of tactics never seen before.
https://theaviationist.com/2019/06/...sing-madl-during-astral-knight-2019-exercise/
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US only give some world class datas to the 4 others of the big five : UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada.
Switzerland don't need a stealth air to ground light bomber with second air to air capacity. The deal will be between SH18 and Rafale. And forget to see that having the F18 is an asset : the plane is too different than F18 to be logistically clever. And SH18 is not the more agile to fit in the swiss montains.
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The answer was given in september 2015 : a first batch of Rafale.
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https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/foreign-policy/international-organizations/nato.htmlaligned?
It's not because they used P8I that India is aligned with America.
Fool of took just about sums you up.
Swiss is a PFP member and closely aligned with NATO thus US. They operate plenty of US and NATO country aircraft and military equipment. They will probably buy the F-35. So Swiss is aligned with NATO and US more than they are aligned with anybody else. This has been the case for decades.
P-8I, Apaches, MH-64s, C-17s, C-130J and a growing list of other purchases and perhaps the highest amount of military exchanges occur today with US forces. I would focus on competing instead on nonsense replies.
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LOL.
The F35 trial was not a great success.
The Swiss team was worried to see 4 planes when all the others sent 2 units. And Armasuiss need a mature system... It's not the F35 case.
No. The game will be played between SH18 and Rafale.
My 2 cents....
For India : US pressures were not enough to avoid a S400 purchase... So not aligned my dear and old foe friend.
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And what makes you say he trials were not a great success when they are still ongoing. Fake News!
As for maturity, let the Swiss decide.
Well Turkey buying the S-400 will get them thrown out of the F-35 program, they have till end of July (let's wait and see). Having a NATO member deploying the S-400 is an actually an outrage. They should be ejected out of NATO as well (probably will), they also don't contribute their 2%.
Beggars can't be choosers.
To compare a radically Islamized Turkey with it's unwashed Abduls to the free people of Switzerland is douchbaggery.
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ALL the trials are finished (including F35 ones) : http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive...t-au-sol-des-candidats-sont-termi-867608.html
You can put your fake news where you want
Maturity : Yes, the answer belong to Armasuiss. Just remember than FA18 was chosend instead of Mirage 2000-5 because it was not mature enough, and that Gripen E was rejected for the same reason. And erevybody knows, even you my dear, that F35 is all but mature.
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Well you claiming the F-35 trials was not a success is the real fake news. The flight trials might be over, but subsequent to the flight trials, there is an extensive debrief and assimilation of results and this is now ongoing. 4 contenders remain. There is virtually no real contender to the F-35 when it comes to sensory and next gen advantages.ALL the trials are finished (including F35 ones) : http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive...t-au-sol-des-candidats-sont-termi-867608.html
You can put your fake news where you want
Maturity : Yes, the answer belong to Armasuiss. Just remember than FA18 was chosend instead of Mirage 2000-5 because it was not mature enough, and that Gripen E was rejected for the same reason. And erevybody knows, even you my dear, that F35 is all but mature.
Also keep in mind US runs a deficit of around 18 billion with Swiss, so with some negotiation they can easily slide either the F-18SH or F-35 quickly. Eitherway, this is a deal going the US way. With calls for EU army on one side, Russia close by, The Swiss will rely on good old US ties on this one. It makes better strategic sense for them while EU which is now full of soy boy politicians, there isn't any real strength that comes from siding with the EU.
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Besides the version on offer are the F-35 is the Block 4 which offers a wider set of weapons to operate directly from the start than any other contender. The Swiss would have a wide choice of weapons they can plug and play. Moreso, even the Block 3 SH is stronger contender than the Rafale. The Swiss pilots love the Hornets and SH Block 3 would be the cheapest among the lot and lowest in infra costs as well.
