F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

[tharun]

Early days? Nah! @BoeingDefense's presentation on the Super Hornet has art of a proposed F/A-18 facility in country.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

Boeing looks very confident on orders...they are planning for factory layout..

 

[Immanuel]

The idea of using the same factory later on to build the AMCA is brilliant and cuts a few years in time in setting up such a thing. Always been a proponent of the SH Block IN.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

I guess, F/A-18 ASH might be a good option, probably the best for us right now, it would provide employment and some sort of ToT as well as probably the best 4th gen platform.

Its not very manueverable.The thrust to weight ratio isnt great either.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Can someone explain the enclosed weapons pod thing to me.?

 

[Rage]

Would love some insight too into the algorithms for the flight/fight/evade DSS for AMCA.

Significant. @GEAviation enhanced 414 being proposed as AMCA engine to support @BoeingDefense's F/A-18 pitch.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[airtel]

Can someone explain the enclosed weapons pod thing to me.?

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something like this >>

this will reduce the RCS .................but the performance will also reduce ..........I would prefer internal weapon bays .
this type of PODs are cheap method of RCS reduction in 4th generation F-18 , without any major design changes .
this type of Pods are good for Super sukhoi upgrades .

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

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something like this >>

this will reduce the RCS .................but the performance will also reduce ..........I would prefer internal weapon bays .
this type of PODs are cheap method of RCS reduction in 4th generation F-18 , without any major design changes .
this type of Pods are good for Super sukhoi upgrades .

How many pods can a shornet carry?Two?Three?

What kind if reduction in performance?

 

[WolfPack86]

Acquistion Of Weapons Is An OnGoing Process

India is keen to manufacture F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jets for the Indian Air Force
Procurement of defence weapons and equipment is an ongoing process in which Government acquires equipment and technologies keeping in view, inter alia, the security situation, the equipping requirements of the Armed Forces, technology advances and available budgetary resources.
During the last two financial years, 108 contracts with a total value of Rs. 112736.81 Crore have been signed for capital procurement of defence equipment including Ships, Missiles, Frigates, Rockets, Simulators, Aircrafts, Helicopters and Radars. In addition, in the last two financial years, the Defence Acquisition Council has accorded ‘Acceptance of Necessity’ (AoN) for 114 cases with a total value of Rs. 2,25,022 Crore. These include AoNs for 155mm Gun systems, Helicopters, and Warships.
To cater to the equipping requirements of the Armed Forces, the Defence Procurement Procedure 2016 has been promulgated with effect from 01.04.2016, which has specific provisions to facilitate swift decision making, promote self-reliance and improve transparency and accountability in procurements
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/11/acquisition-of-weapons-is-ongoing.html

 

[airtel]

How many pods can a shornet carry?Two?Three?

What kind if reduction in performance?

just one ..............one pod can carry 6 SDM & 2 AAM .................for other configuration see the previously posted Photo .

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Good luck toting that big pod around at 9G....

 

[WolfPack86]

Boeing Pitches Advanced Super Hornet For India Fighter Deal
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[Ravinath]

It is a powerful fighter for naval version. We should consider it.

 

[Immanuel]

just one ..............one pod can carry 6 SDM & 2 AAM .................for other configuration see the previously posted Photo .

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Good luck toting that big pod around at 9G....

It can carry between 3-5 such pods, this is actually a great idea that even the folks at Dassault will copy at Rafale shortly during MLU, every aircraft including Rafale faces this issue of degraded G performance while carrying a full load. the only aircraft that won't be affected by this will be the clean F-22, F-35 of other 5th gen birds that carry their load internally. These pods reduce rcs by over 2/3rds. they carry a good amount of load and can be ditched in the event that a knife fight emerges, which in the case of these birds is highly unlikely, in a full A2A role, the SH can carry 14 A2A missiles, enough to challenge most birds with authority.

 

[WolfPack86]

India's Dream Fighter Jet: Boeing Says It Can Deliver

Following the lead of Swedish company SAAB, Boeing has linked its offer to build a fighter aircraft in India with the promise of assistance in designing and building an Indian fifth-generation (Gen-5) fighter.
In a presentation to the Indian media in St Louis, Missouri, where Boeing builds the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet fighter, Boeing's Dan Gillian outlined a detailed road map from the Super Hornet to India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, the Gen-5 fighter that the Defense Research and Development Organisation hopes to build.
Boeing's plan involves first setting up an Indian factory and the aerospace ecosystem to build the Block II Super Hornet, which will then be improved into the 'Advanced Super Hornet.'
That infrastructure and design capability would give Indian designers the instruments to build the AMCA.
Boeing's India chief Pratyush Kumar hardly disguises his skepticism of SAAB's promise to help India in designing the AMCA.
"America is the only country that has actually designed and manufactured stealthy, Gen-5 fighters," points out Kumar.
"Stealth design is not a science. It is an art that is developed only after years of trial and error. Boeing has actually mastered that art while co-designing the F-35 joint strike fighter."
Boeing is not in direct competition with SAAB, which is pitching to build 100 to 200 single-engine fighters in India.
Instead, Boeing will compete with European manufacturers, Dassault, and Eurofighter, to establish a factory that will churn out a similar number of twin-engine fighters. The Indian Air Force has already solicited interest from global aerospace vendors in the single-engine category, and a similar request is expected soon for building twin-engine fighters.
Kumar claims the F/A-18E/F, which was designed in the 1990s, is a decade more contemporary than its rivals like the Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon, which started being designed in the 1980s.
"The Super Hornet is sometimes confused with the older F/A-18A/B Hornet fighter, which dates back to the 1970s. While they are superficially similar, the Super Hornet's brand new design incorporates a high degree of stealth."
"For America, the Super Hornet was a stepping stone to the F-35, and it can be a stepping stone to the AMCA for India," argues Kumar.
Boeing's new Super Hornet factory in St Louis is churning out two Super Hornets each month for the US Navy, which will continue inducting the fighter well into the 2020s.
Each of America's 9-12 aircraft carriers (the final number will depend upon President Donald Trump's defence policy) will embark four squadrons of Super Hornets until 2028, when the F-35 Lightning II starts being inducted in significant numbers.
By 2028, each carrier will have one squadron of the F-35, and by 2035 there will be two squadrons each of the Super Hornet and the F-35.
"But the fighter will remain in service out to the 2040s and, until then, we will be developing upgrades every two years as part of a continuous development program," says Gillian.
The first improvement on the cards is an advanced cockpit system in 2018-2019.
Also being developed, even without US Navy sanction and funding, are 'conformal fuel tanks' that will extend the fighter's 1,000-km strike range by 200 km; and a more powerful and fuel-economical F-414 engine that will increase the thrust by 18 per cent.
Gillian says the Super Hornet is highly regarded by the US Navy not just because it is a capable and easy-to-maintain fighter, but also because it is the cheapest to operate in the entire US fighter fleet, even cheaper than the single-engine F-16.
"The US Government Accountability Office rates the F/A-18E/F as the most economical fighter to operate on a cost per hour basis," says Gillian.
The challenge for Boeing will be to build a supplier chain in India, like the one that feeds into the Super Hornet line at St Louis.
This consists of 800 vendors in 44 states, which employ 60,000 people.
Boeing's current Super Hornet vendors in India include Bharat Electronics Ltd, which builds electrical panels. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd is building wire bundles and gun bay doors.
Smaller companies are also joining the supply chain, including Rossell and SASMOS, which supply electrical equipment.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/11/indias-dream-fighter-jet-boeing-says-it.html

 

[BON PLAN]

this will reduce the RCS .................but the performance will also reduce ..........I would prefer internal weapon bays .

An enclosed weapon pod has a drag only when it is carry ! And you need to be stealthier only the few early days of a war (to destroy radars, Head quarters, communication nods...). After that, no need.

An internal bay, specially for air to ground weapons, bigger than AtoA missile) need a bigger airframe, with a higher drag ALL LIFE long ! (even during training or conveyor travel).
It's why the F35 (also known as Fat 35) is so slow (no super cruiser as promised just a few years earlier) and poorly agile (dominated by a old F16 with external tanks).

So Enclosed weapon pod is a good idea. But you need to developp at least two models, as the external tanks :
- one small and light and high mach able, to carry air to air missile
- one bigger, to carry air to ground weapons.

 

[BON PLAN]

Acquistion Of Weapons Is An OnGoing Process

India is keen to manufacture F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jets for the Indian Air Force
Procurement of defence weapons and equipment is an ongoing process in which Government acquires equipment and technologies keeping in view, inter alia, the security situation, the equipping requirements of the Armed Forces, technology advances and available budgetary resources.
During the last two financial years, 108 contracts with a total value of Rs. 112736.81 Crore have been signed for capital procurement of defence equipment including Ships, Missiles, Frigates, Rockets, Simulators, Aircrafts, Helicopters and Radars. In addition, in the last two financial years, the Defence Acquisition Council has accorded ‘Acceptance of Necessity’ (AoN) for 114 cases with a total value of Rs. 2,25,022 Crore. These include AoNs for 155mm Gun systems, Helicopters, and Warships.
To cater to the equipping requirements of the Armed Forces, the Defence Procurement Procedure 2016 has been promulgated with effect from 01.04.2016, which has specific provisions to facilitate swift decision making, promote self-reliance and improve transparency and accountability in procurements
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/11/acquisition-of-weapons-is-ongoing.html

AhAh Ah !!!! so funny.

You really think india will baught and manufacture such a old and anemic cow ?

Too heavy.
Not agile enough,
Poor carrying capacity versus its weight class,
Same price range than other competitors.
Uncle Sam, who will decide for you what war you can fight and what you can't (ask UAE and Egypt about F16 in Lybia, in 2011).

It's marketing, only marketing.

 

[WolfPack86]

U.S. Navy aims to buy more Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets
https://twitter.com/etdefence?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

US pitches hard for building fighter jets under Make-in-India
https://twitter.com/etdefence?lang=en

 

[India22]

Does it offer semi-stealth? Then no.

I would want India to build Mirage 2000, SEPECAT Jaguar Darin III with advanced composite material like the way Tejas was built to have semi-stealth feature on them also, license production of MiG 29 UPG, K and Super Sukhoi. Till then until AMCA or and and FGFA comes, no more induction of non-5th generation new aircraft, be it Rafale or not.

 

[WolfPack86]

U.S. Pitches Hard For Building Fighter Jets Under Make-In-India

NEW DELHI: The US has made a strong case for producing an American fighter jet under the Make in India initiative, a proposal that was discussed at length even during US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter’s farewell visit to New Delhi this week.
The mega project — India is looking for a partner to produce over 200 new fighter jets to replace its ageing MiG fleet — has the potential of creating jobs both in India as well as the US if done correctly, was the message conveyed from Washington.
India and the US are also looking to roll out a ‘signature’ joint development military project under the Defence Technology Transfer Initiative (DTTI) by the end of this year, though details are being kept under wraps as advanced negotiations are on.
While there have been questions on the future of the US offer to produce a combat plane in India after President elect Donald Trump’s stated position to keep manufacturing units within the country, the view in Washington is that the economics of the deal could produce new job opportunities in both nations.
The two sides also discussed at length India’s designation as a major defence partner of the US, with the message being given that New Delhi would have easier access to technology and lesser obstacles on licensing issues with the new status.
While several initiatives to take the bilateral defence relationship forward were discussed, of particular interest were talks on sharing of tactics and training by the special forces of the two nations. India has been keen to train with US special forces that have considerable experience in conducting stealth missions deep in enemy territory.
A proposal for the sale of advanced unarmed Predator UAVs is also under consideration but the pact that is described as having seen the most forward movement is the joint working group of aircraft carrier technology.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/12/us-pitches-hard-for-building-fighter.html

 

[BON PLAN]

U.S. Pitches Hard For Building Fighter Jets Under Make-In-India

NEW DELHI: The US has made a strong case for producing an American fighter jet under the Make in India initiative, a proposal that was discussed at length even during US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter’s farewell visit to New Delhi this week.
The mega project — India is looking for a partner to produce over 200 new fighter jets to replace its ageing MiG fleet — has the potential of creating jobs both in India as well as the US if done correctly, was the message conveyed from Washington.
India and the US are also looking to roll out a ‘signature’ joint development military project under the Defence Technology Transfer Initiative (DTTI) by the end of this year, though details are being kept under wraps as advanced negotiations are on.
While there have been questions on the future of the US offer to produce a combat plane in India after President elect Donald Trump’s stated position to keep manufacturing units within the country, the view in Washington is that the economics of the deal could produce new job opportunities in both nations.
The two sides also discussed at length India’s designation as a major defence partner of the US, with the message being given that New Delhi would have easier access to technology and lesser obstacles on licensing issues with the new status.
While several initiatives to take the bilateral defence relationship forward were discussed, of particular interest were talks on sharing of tactics and training by the special forces of the two nations. India has been keen to train with US special forces that have considerable experience in conducting stealth missions deep in enemy territory.
A proposal for the sale of advanced unarmed Predator UAVs is also under consideration but the pact that is described as having seen the most forward movement is the joint working group of aircraft carrier technology.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/12/us-pitches-hard-for-building-fighter.html

1) Uncle Donald doesn't want to see US high tech manufacturers manufacturing products outside from USA ....

2) SH 18 is a old horse (it was never young ! born fat and slow)