F-18 Advanced Super Hornet

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For Example Now many A2A missiles is Rafale qualified for? Just MIC and Meteor in future.
F/A-18 AIM-9 Sidewinder AIM-132 ASRAAM IRIS-T 120 AMRAAM already
At present F/A-18 has ability to hit aerial targets at longer distance than Rafale.

What user use IRIS T on its SH18?
At present.... Yes. In 2018... NO.

 

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Meteor is for future 2018.. but as of now, the plane you call Flying brick, can beat Rafale at longer distance, and all Rafale can have is wet dreams of future. By the time Rafale gets its Meteors, AMRAAM will have more longer range than the "classified" Meteor

What kind of longer range AMRAAM ? a stato missile will already have longer legs than a classical booster one for the same class weight. And Meteor and AMRAAM are all 160-165kg.

 

[smestarz]

OPTIONS MY DEAR , OPTIONS,
What options does the user have for Rafale? ONLY FRENCH WEAPONS...
With SH at least the user has MORE OPTIONS.

What user use IRIS T on its SH18?
At present.... Yes. In 2018... NO.

 

[smestarz]

What kind of longer range AMRAAM ? a stato missile will already have longer legs than a classical booster one for the same class weight. And Meteor and AMRAAM are all 160-165kg.

AMRAAM.. present missile, in production, inducted, purchased, used, PROVEN
Meteor.. future, still not induced for Rafale, not proven.

 

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F-18 Super Hornet 20mm Gattling Gun

 

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F- 18 Super Hornet Bombs and Missles

 

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F- 18 Super Hornet Bombs and Missles

 

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F- 18 Super Hornet Bombs and Missles

 

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F- 18 Super Hornet Bombs and Missles

 

[BON PLAN]

OPTIONS MY DEAR , OPTIONS,
What options does the user have for Rafale? ONLY FRENCH WEAPONS...
With SH at least the user has MORE OPTIONS.

Rafale can support all Nato weapons. Just ask and pay.
Qatar was supposed to request AMRAAM on Rafale. But they oreferred Meteor. Of course !
With indian order, we probably will see ASTRA integrated on Rafale. And maybe Python 5 ....

and.... Meteor is not a 100% french weapon.
as all kinds of GBU.

 

[BON PLAN]

AMRAAM.. present missile, in production, inducted, purchased, used, PROVEN
Meteor.. future, still not induced for Rafale, not proven.

But integrated on Gripen. So it is an actual and up to date missile.
AMRAAM is a 1980 tech.

 

[WolfPack86]

Brothers in Arms India US Tighten Embrace
NEW DELHI: The India-US strategic clinch continues to get tighter. Soon after the two finalised the bilateral military logistics pact, the US has bagged yet another mega arms deal to reassert its status as India's largest weapons supplier in recent years.
Defence ministry sources on Friday said the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by PM Narendra Modi, has cleared the acquisition of four Poseidon-8I longrange surveillance and antisubmarine warfare aircraft at a cost of over $1billion.
"The contract will be inked with Boeing in the next few days. The first P-8I will be delivered to the Navy within three years," said a source. The four new P-8I aircraft, packed with radars and weapons, will join the first eight such aircraft inducted by the Navy in 2013-2015 under a $2.1billion deal.
The Navy is using the eight P-8Is, armed with deadly Harpoon Block-II missiles, MK-54 lightweight torpedoes, rockets and depth charges, to keep an "intelligent hawk-eye" over the entire Indian Ocean Region, which has witnessed stepped-up Chinese submarine forays over the last two years.
With an operating range of 1,200 nautical miles, "with four hours on station", the P-8Is provide the reach and flexibility to undertake extensive maritime surveillance and intelligence-gathering missions. They can detect "threats" in India's immediate and extended areas of interest and neutralise them if required.
The CCS approval comes after the defence ministry last week also cleared acquisition of 145 M-777 ultra-light howitzers from the US. The Army wants these 155mm39calibre howitzers as they can be swiftly airlifted to "threatened high-altitude areas" along the 4,057-km Line of Ac tual Control with China.
The US, of course, is now also aggressively hawking its fighter jets - the twin-engine FA-18 "Super Hornet" (Boeing) or the single-engine F-16 "Fighting Falcon" (Lockheed Martin) - for the Make in India program. As earlier reported by TOI, the Pentagonaviation majors combine had made detailed presentations to the Indian defence establishment in April for the proposed fighter production line.
US under secretary of defence Frank Kendall is leading a top Pentagon-industry delegation to New Delhi again this month for further talks. This comes after India said it wanted "a much higher level" of transfer of technology (ToT) than the "limited" one on offer.
Incidentally, Swedish defence firm SAAB has also submitted a detailed proposal, with "attractive ToT", for manufacture of its latest Gripen-E fighter in India.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/07/brothers-in-arms-india-us-tighten.html

 

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Thats the proble.. ask and pay.
The problem about asking is that, if the user has purchased the plane, I doubt the French will integrate any new weapon, and definitely it wont be cheap. If the user has not ordered it, the French will try and convince the user in many ways as possible that the French weapons are more capable, even if the other weapon outranges and out matches it in most dept. So when people buy American planes, this is usually not the hassle, if the Americans can integrate it they would because they know they make and support their weapons better than other competitors.
For example India has purchased weapons from many countries, and seems with Americans the business is smooth as butter.,,

MAYBE Indian order... should be the precise word now, the interest has apparently cooled down. So I guess the Indian Def Min will tell French def Min, ".. you keep your plane and missiles, we keep our missiles and money.. don't mind ... "
Buying and using Rafale will be more expensive than almost twice Su-30MKIs Also the availability rate of Su-30 MKI is 60% well past the 55% that was reported for Rafale in French senate.

Rafale can support all Nato weapons. Just ask and pay.
Qatar was supposed to request AMRAAM on Rafale. But they oreferred Meteor. Of course !
With indian order, we probably will see ASTRA integrated on Rafale. And maybe Python 5 ....

and.... Meteor is not a 100% french weapon.
as all kinds of GBU.

 

[smestarz]

Do you actually see your own hippocracy? AMRAAM is 1990s missile yet, but the model that you are talking is AIM-120A which is no longer in use. Present production is AIM-120D, MICA tech is not very modern either.

Incidentally Rafale was designed in Mid 80s so technically it is 80s tech,, so 90s tech is surely better than 80s tech.. So why should India go for the outdated 80s design Rafale when we have the 21st century PAKFA to look at ? Actually your argument does actually makes one wonder why should india go for an 80s tech plane which costs more than 21st century plane.

But integrated on Gripen. So it is an actual and up to date missile.
AMRAAM is a 1980 tech.

 

[smestarz]

@BON PLAN When India wants to buy something, this is how fast they move, should give you hint about Rafale.

Brothers in Arms India US Tighten Embrace
NEW DELHI: The India-US strategic clinch continues to get tighter. Soon after the two finalised the bilateral military logistics pact, the US has bagged yet another mega arms deal to reassert its status as India's largest weapons supplier in recent years.
Defence ministry sources on Friday said the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), chaired by PM Narendra Modi, has cleared the acquisition of four Poseidon-8I longrange surveillance and antisubmarine warfare aircraft at a cost of over $1billion.
"The contract will be inked with Boeing in the next few days. The first P-8I will be delivered to the Navy within three years," said a source. The four new P-8I aircraft, packed with radars and weapons, will join the first eight such aircraft inducted by the Navy in 2013-2015 under a $2.1billion deal.
The Navy is using the eight P-8Is, armed with deadly Harpoon Block-II missiles, MK-54 lightweight torpedoes, rockets and depth charges, to keep an "intelligent hawk-eye" over the entire Indian Ocean Region, which has witnessed stepped-up Chinese submarine forays over the last two years.
With an operating range of 1,200 nautical miles, "with four hours on station", the P-8Is provide the reach and flexibility to undertake extensive maritime surveillance and intelligence-gathering missions. They can detect "threats" in India's immediate and extended areas of interest and neutralise them if required.
The CCS approval comes after the defence ministry last week also cleared acquisition of 145 M-777 ultra-light howitzers from the US. The Army wants these 155mm39calibre howitzers as they can be swiftly airlifted to "threatened high-altitude areas" along the 4,057-km Line of Ac tual Control with China.
The US, of course, is now also aggressively hawking its fighter jets - the twin-engine FA-18 "Super Hornet" (Boeing) or the single-engine F-16 "Fighting Falcon" (Lockheed Martin) - for the Make in India program. As earlier reported by TOI, the Pentagonaviation majors combine had made detailed presentations to the Indian defence establishment in April for the proposed fighter production line.
US under secretary of defence Frank Kendall is leading a top Pentagon-industry delegation to New Delhi again this month for further talks. This comes after India said it wanted "a much higher level" of transfer of technology (ToT) than the "limited" one on offer.
Incidentally, Swedish defence firm SAAB has also submitted a detailed proposal, with "attractive ToT", for manufacture of its latest Gripen-E fighter in India.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/07/brothers-in-arms-india-us-tighten.html

 

[BON PLAN]

Look at your beautifull SH18....

Strange these wings pylons canted outward.... Aerodynamically it's not pure. More drag, less range.
For the missiles airframe not good also.
SH18 already has aerodynamics problems, from the begining.

 

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Thats the proble.. ask and pay.
The problem about asking is that, if the user has purchased the plane, I doubt the French will integrate any new weapon, and definitely it wont be cheap. If the user has not ordered it, the French will try and convince the user in many ways as possible that the French weapons are more capable, even if the other weapon outranges and out matches it in most dept. So when people buy American planes, this is usually not the hassle, if the Americans can integrate it they would because they know they make and support their weapons better than other competitors.
For example India has purchased weapons from many countries, and seems with Americans the business is smooth as butter.,,

MAYBE Indian order... should be the precise word now, the interest has apparently cooled down. So I guess the Indian Def Min will tell French def Min, ".. you keep your plane and missiles, we keep our missiles and money.. don't mind ... "
Buying and using Rafale will be more expensive than almost twice Su-30MKIs Also the availability rate of Su-30 MKI is 60% well past the 55% that was reported for Rafale in French senate.

:blah::blah::blah:
SH18 is a bad born airplane.
F16 is used by your main ennemy.
F35 not ready until 10 years and more.

Forget US products.

 

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Do you actually see your own hippocracy? AMRAAM is 1990s missile yet, but the model that you are talking is AIM-120A which is no longer in use. Present production is AIM-120D, MICA tech is not very modern either.

Incidentally Rafale was designed in Mid 80s so technically it is 80s tech,, so 90s tech is surely better than 80s tech.. So why should India go for the outdated 80s design Rafale when we have the 21st century PAKFA to look at ? Actually your argument does actually makes one wonder why should india go for an 80s tech plane which costs more than 21st century plane.

first AMRAAM induced in 1991, first developpment shoot in 1984 => It is a 1980 tech.
AIM 120 D is not ready. Nearly maybe, but not operational to day. Maybe in 2018

Don't you think last batch of MICA is the same than first one? it evolves, as AMRAAM.

 

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So why should India go for the outdated 80s design Rafale when we have the 21st century PAKFA to look at

I'm afraid you will only look at PAKFA. And for a very very long time ! Russia simply can't afford it.

 

[smestarz]

SH-18 is a good plane importantly, it gets the job done,
Prime plane of US Navy and Marines and they are still upgrading it to be better

F-35, we are not even thinking about it

F-16, yes pakistan uses it, and if we produce it, then we can always stop supplying parts to pakistan when we want.. advantage,, no?

As you rightly said, F-16 is plane of past and so is Rafale, we are looking at the future.. PAKFA and Super Sukhoi
F/A-18, just in case the air force insists on MEDIUM plane, and IAF evaluation seems to mention that F/A-18 has the best EW suite among all .. and does actually not seem good for SPECTRAs reputation.

:blah::blah::blah:
SH18 is a bad born airplane.
F16 is used by your main ennemy.
F35 not ready until 10 years and more.

Forget US products.