Exciting Times for Chinese Aircraft Engines!

[MiG-29SMT]

Yes that's exactly why it is hard to trust anything on this thread. Chinese dudes keep claiming progress based on speculative photographs, but there is nothing official about it at all, ever. No statement from the government as if they are ashamed or hiding something.



Tweet has disappeared! Does that imply same fate for CJ1000A??

you have to be unbias, China has progressed however the posters are most of the time Chinese living in the west, many times lack knowledge and want to boast.

India I can assure will develop an aircraft jet engine industry, same China, that is normal, however you have to be realistic, jet engines are a business and require lots of research and development, that is the reason you have Rolls Royce engines with suppliers from many parts and same is many other manufacturers.

see

• GEnx-2B engines installed with additive manufactured PDOS brackets to be shipped from January 2019
• Cobalt-chrome alloy brackets to be mass produced in Auburn, Alabama starting this month on GE Additive's Concept Laser M2 Multilaser machines
• Design-to-production achieved in under 10 months
• 10% weight reduction and 90% waste reduction achieved, compared to conventional manufacturing methods. Product costs significantly reduced by taking process in-house

“It’s been outstanding to watch teams from GE Aviation, GE Additive across the US, Mexico and Germany collaborate. In such a short space of time, they have really excelled with the PDOS bracket and achieved a truly groundbreaking success.

First additive manufactured part to be installed on GEnx commercial airline engines | GE Additive

www.ge.com

In general progress is all over the globe
Mexican scientists are also working on GEnx-2b

However international collaboration is done for one main reason, risks partners, see the GEnx-2b has even providers from South Korea, Germany MTU, Sweden volvo aero, Japan IHI, Snecma France..

It is very unlikely China will compete with the West in Jet engines unless more cordial, honest and less predatory policies are followed by China, even Russia is not going to pass tech for the Chinese-Russian airliner for the jet engine PD-35.

Y-20 is a military jet, it has less need for a reliable engine, they still use western engine for their C919, most what you see is CCP propaganda with our propagandists in Chief living in the USA but cheering China.

Will China succeed, yes, but they will need to collaborate, their current policy will fail.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Home » Aerospace » UEC starts testing PD-35 fan demonstrator using composite blades, Russia’s first UEC starts testing PD-35 fan demonstrator using composite blades, Russia’s first

The 35 t thrust-class advanced engine to hopefully power the Sino-Russian CR929 wide-body
Posted on July 29th, 2020 by ES in Aerospace, Russia

Technology demonstrator of PD-35 engine fan at the test bench in Perm, Russia (UEC)
The first stage of testing of the PD-35 engine fan demonstrator was conducted successfully on June 27 in Russia, Alexander Inozemtsev, managing director and chief designer of Perm-based UEC-Aviadvigatel reported. The technology demonstrator is the first in Russia to use blades made of composite materials.

Since the PD-35 engine is still at the research and development stage, the fan demonstrator was scaled down to fit the smaller PD-14 engine, on which it was tested, Inozemtsev explains. Further schedule include overspeed tests in August and testing within the flying testbed in 2021. Flight tests of the actual-size PD-35 demonstrator won’t begin until 2025. Its diameter will exceed 3 meters, more than 50 per cent larger than the existing demonstrator, reveals executive director of United Engine Corporation (UEC) Valery Geikin.

UEC starts testing PD-35 fan demonstrator using composite blades, Russia’s first

The first stage of testing of the PD-35 engine fan demonstrator was conducted successfully on June 27 in Russia

www.rusaviainsider.com

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Okay either this Mexican guy is really delusional or he deliberately throwing BS.

Obviously, India is far more friendly with Western countries than China so if collaboration is the only way to succeed then India would have far more engines powering its planes already than China.

Indians more than any other know that engine technology is kept under lock and key.

But we can see in this thread five years from now how collaboration from UK and France will help the Kaveri and the Indian 110kN vesus the WS-13, WS-15 and WS-19. WS-15 will be in the J-20, the W-13E will be in J-35 first and the WS-19 will come in later.

Hope that we can see the Kaveri and the 110kN with the new Indian fighters.

I wouldn't wait for a Mexican fighter engine despite its being supers friends with US!

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Okay either this Mexican guy is really delusional or he deliberately throwing BS.

Obviously, India is far more friendly with Western countries than China so if collaboration is the only way to succeed then India would have far more engines powering its planes already than China.

Indians more than any other know that engine technology is kept under lock and key.

But we can see in this thread five years from now how collaboration from UK and France will help the Kaveri and the Indian 110kN vesus the WS-13, WS-15 and WS-19. WS-15 will be in the J-20, the W-13E will be in J-35 first and the WS-19 will come in later.

Hope that we can see the Kaveri and the 110kN with the new Indian fighters.

I wouldn't wait for a Mexican fighter engine despite its being supers friends with US!

You do not need to wait, I have family in the USA army, the history in the USA of my family is from WWI, WWII, Korean war, in fact Chinese, I have family with medals of honours, you already see GNex with some Mexican tech, in fact you are a bit wrong you are living in North America, Mexico forms part of the North American security, and at the end the Alien is you, we speak in North America Spanish, English and are plenty of Latinos in the USA army, remember that

 

[SexyChineseLady]

You do not need to wait, I have family in the USA army, the history in the USA of my family is from WWI, WWII, Korean war, in fact Chinese, I have family with medals of honours, you already see GNex with some Mexican tech, in fact you are a bit wrong you are living in North America, Mexico forms part of the North American security, and at the end the Alien is you, we speak in North America Spanish, English and are plenty of Latinos in the USA army, remember that

You kiss the white man's butt very very hard!

But I doubt I would ever see a Mexican aircraft engine.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You kiss the white man's butt very very hard!

But I doubt I would ever see a Mexican aircraft engine.

I am human, your complex is you think you are less than whites, my mother was white my father has green eyes and for your information I am married to a Japanese, I am not racist but you are discriminated by your self, we all are human, but you feel whites do not like you

you have drank too much crapola from the CCP, by the way one of my sons has blond hair and hazel eyes despite his mother is Japanese, I am not racist the other looks more Asian, i love them both the same

 

[MonaLazy]

you have to be unbias, China has progressed however the posters are most of the time Chinese living in the west, many times lack knowledge and want to boast.

India I can assure will develop an aircraft jet engine industry, same China, that is normal, however you have to be realistic, jet engines are a business and require lots of research and development

However international collaboration is done for one main reason, risks partners, see the GEnx-2b has even providers from South Korea, Germany MTU, Sweden volvo aero, Japan IHI, Snecma France..

It is very unlikely China will compete with the West in Jet engines unless more cordial, honest and less predatory policies are followed by China, even Russia is not going to pass tech for the Chinese-Russian airliner for the jet engine PD-35.

Y-20 is a military jet, it has less need for a reliable engine, they still use western engine for their C919, most what you see is CCP propaganda with our propagandists in Chief living in the USA but cheering China.

Will China succeed, yes, but they will need to collaborate, their current policy will fail.

That's the best way to put it. The problem with the Chinese is they are both the judge and the jury. They sing their own praise & no one else does it. Rather than working collaboratively with the rest of the world- they rely on their own R & D, IP theft & ginormous amounts of money to solve any problem (including that of high tech jet engines).

They suffer from the "we are competing with the rest of the world" syndrome- hence have a schizophrenic outlook towards everything with only NoKo and Pakistan to call "friends".

Obviously, India is far more friendly with Western countries than China so if collaboration is the only way to succeed then India would have far more engines powering its planes already than China.

Indians more than any other know that engine technology is kept under lock and key.

But we can see in this thread five years from now how collaboration from UK and France will help the Kaveri and the Indian 110kN vesus the WS-13, WS-15 and WS-19. WS-15 will be in the J-20, the W-13E will be in J-35 first and the WS-19 will come in later.

Hope that we can see the Kaveri and the 110kN with the new Indian fighters.

Please refrain from putting others down to show yourself up. As for your charge against India, that answer is complicated and the biggest reason for our failure with jet engines is the Indian Govt's priorities- specifically a lack of focus on the military. Flying & jet engine research needs a niche skill and a lot of money. Our politicians are ready to fund billions of $s in socially and politically uplifting schemes for the poor than spend the same money on some obscure tech even if it is hard to obtain and strategically critical. Here the biggest worry of any politician is to keep the electorate happy in the hope of re-election, so pandering to the poor among the public (of which there are many) via socialist goals. Mr Xi OTOH has no such compulsions.

The other reason is of course easy availability of jet engines as a black box to install on our fighters or buy complete Western fighters off the shelf. That option is unavailable to China and can be seen as both a strength and a weakness. We did exceedingly well on our nuke and missile programs because imports were not an option at all.

The Centre has allocated Rs 73,000 crore for the rural jobs guarantee programme MGNREGA for 2022-23 in the Union Budget

Budget 2022: Centre allocates Rs 73,000 crore to MGNREGA, 25.51% lower than 2021-22 revised estimate

FM Nirmala Sitharaman had allocated Rs 73,000 cr for Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Programme in last year's budget too. However, this was later revised to Rs 98,000 cr on account of higher demand for the work.

www.indiatvnews.com

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₹ 73000 crores is $ 9.77 billion! but they are having a hard time funding $4-6 billion for the 110kN engine.

However, the situation is now changing and the push for greater self-reliance in militarization comes from the very top.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

I am human, your complex is you think you are less than whites, my mother was white my father has green eyes and for your information I am married to a Japanese, I am not racist but you are discriminated by y7our self, we all are human, but you feel whites do not like you

You are a white racist who thinks what white people did in murdering off the indigenous people of the US and Mexico is good thing. Now you are trying to lie to everyone here that white people will give engine tech to people if you "collaborate" with them.

This happy collaboration thing didn't happen in the first 3 decades of the Kaveri. I hope it will happen in the next one. But we'll see it here.

Again, we can all watch WS-13E, WS-15, WS-19 and CJ1000A versus Kaveri (collab with SaFran) and the Indian 110kN (collab with RR.) It will be fun

 

[MiG-29SMT]

That's the best way to put it. The problem with the Chinese is they are both the judge and the jury. They sing their own praise & no one else. Rather than working collaboratively with the rest of the world- they rely on their own R & D, IP theft & ginormous amounts of money to solve any problem (including that of high tech jet engines).

They suffer from the "we are competing with the rest of the world" syndrome- hence have a schizophrenic outlook towards everything with only NoKo and Pakistan to call "friends".



Please refrain from putting others down to show yourself up. As for your charge against India, that answer is complicated and the biggest reason for our "failure" with jet engines is the Indian Govt's priorities- specifically a lack of focus on the military. Flying & jet engine research needs a niche skill and a lot of money. Our politicians are ready to fund billions of $s in socially and politically uplifting schemes for the poor than spend the same money on some obscure tech even if it is hard to obtain and strategically critical. Here the biggest worry of any politician is to keep the electorate happy in the hope of re-election, so pandering to the poor among the public (of which there are many) via socialist goals.

Budget 2022: Centre allocates Rs 73,000 crore to MGNREGA, 25.51% lower than 2021-22 revised estimate

FM Nirmala Sitharaman had allocated Rs 73,000 cr for Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Programme in last year's budget too. However, this was later revised to Rs 98,000 cr on account of higher demand for the work.

www.indiatvnews.com

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₹ 73000 crores is $ 9.77 billion! but they are having a hard time funding $4-6 billion for the 110kN engine.

However, the situation is now changing and the push for greater self-reliance in militarization comes from the very top.

China and India are both great Nations, I am sure you will develop your country, I like India, even China, but like you said the Crapola this people drink from the CCP propaganda has made them similar to the Nazis, they are the first racists, but there are many nice people every where we should learn to live in peace and collaborate we are humans

 

[MiG-29SMT]

You are a white racist who thinks what white people did in murdering off the indigenous people of the US and Mexico is good thing. Now you are trying to lie to everyone here that white people will give engine tech to people if you "collaborate" with them.

This happy collaboration thing didn't happen in the first 3 decades of the Kaveri. I hope it will happen in the next one. But we'll see it here.

Again, we can all watch WS-13E, WS-15, WS-19 and CJ1000A versus Kaveri (collab with SaFran) and the Indian 110kN (collab with RR.) It will be fun

repeat the same Crapola, How I can be racist if my mother was white my father has green Eyes, my step mother Russian, I have cousins married to Blacks, I have Jewish family, you are a loon your nationalistic rant shows you are the one who thinks you are inferior to whites, get it i have an uncle who married a Chinese. I married a Japanese, I only dislike your CCP fascist party that makes racist loons like you

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Please refrain from putting others down to show yourself up. As for your charge against India, that answer is complicated and the biggest reason for our failure with jet engines is the Indian Govt's priorities- specifically a lack of focus on the military. Flying & jet engine research needs a niche skill and a lot of money. Our politicians are ready to fund billions of $s in socially and politically uplifting schemes for the poor than spend the same money on some obscure tech even if it is hard to obtain and strategically critical. Here the biggest worry of any politician is to keep the electorate happy in the hope of re-election, so pandering to the poor among the public (of which there are many) via socialist goals.

Hardly a putdown. The Mexican said your friends will just give you their engine tech just because you are, again, their friend.

Both you and I know this is bullsh1t. They will never give non-whites anything. Even allied Japan, when it looked like it was surpassing the West, was attacked as an economic threat. The Plaza Accord ended that threat and made Japan permanently subservient.

India will work hard for her engines but no one will give her much of anything. What she achieves will be hers and from her own work.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Hardly a putdown. The Mexican said your friends will just give you their engine tech just because you are, again, their friend.

Both you and I know this is bullsh1t. They will never give non-whites anything. Even allied Japan, when it looked like it was surpassing the West, was attacked as an economic threat. The Plaza Accord ended that threat and made Japan permanently subservient.

India will work hard for her engines but no one will give her much of anything. What she achieves will be hers and from her own work.

you are really a loon, like a nazi, you talk about racial war, you know I had many Asian girl friends believe me Asian women like Western men relax get a girlfriend and stop your crapola of racial war.

India will develop a powerful industry they have smart people

 

[India Super Power]

you are really a loon, like a nazi, you talk about racial war, you know I had many Asian girl friends believe me Asian women like Western men relax get a girlfriend and stop your crapola of racial war.

India will develop a powerful industry they have smart people

Buddy for that we need efficient bureaucracy and reducing socialist ideas
But none of them happening infact increasing
You can see an Indian engine in 2045-50 earliest if lucky that to in trails ahh
Let me tell u this is not frustration but as much as I know India this is the fact

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Buddy for that we need efficient bureaucracy and reducing socialist ideas
But none of them happening infact increasing
You can see an Indian engine in 2045-50 earliest if lucky that to in trails ahh
Let me tell u this is not frustration but as much as I know India this is the fact

you will advance, that is sure, all nations do advance, specially since you have lots of people, the problem is when loons think they are superior or racial wars, we all are humans and we need to cooperate, the Chinese main problem is they drink too much crapola, they forget we need peace and cooperation to survive, collaboration in jet engine is good

 

[India Super Power]

you will advance, that is sure, all nations do advance, specially since you have lots of people, the problem is when loons think they are superior or racial wars, we all are humans and we need to cooperate, the Chinese main problem is they drink too much crapola, they forget we need peace and cooperation to survive, collaboration in jet engine is good

Sir I know you are positive and optimistic in this regard
But to know indian attitude and that too typical bureaucratic indian attitude you have to deal with them
After that u will also realize that they have the capability to destroy or delay even a program or system or thing is well on time and going to be reality for no reasons forget about things on paper
They are highly intellectual in this matter

 

[SexyChineseLady]

you will advance, that is sure, all nations do advance, specially since you have lots of people, the problem is when loons think they are superior or racial wars, we all are humans and we need to cooperate, the Chinese main problem is they drink too much crapola, they forget we need peace and cooperation to survive, collaboration in jet engine is good

China hadn't fought a war in 40 years. The US had been bombing new people left and right in every decade

All China does is build stuff -- lots of it! The aircraft engine is just part of it.

 

[KurtisBrian]

China hadn't fought a war in 40 years. The US had been bombing new people left and right in every decade

All China does is build stuff -- lots of it! The aircraft engine is just part of it.

no, not just the US, MiG29-SMT says that it is also Mexicans who do the killing. Eager to be in the USA living off the valuable money taken from the non violent honest productive people of that place.
Mexico is full of drug cartels. Greedy drug dealers are always eager and willing to shoot and kill. But they sure as heck don't want to sacrifice, create or work.
It is all a trap. Ragnarok is about getting rid of the violent people.

 

[ShouvikGhosh]

China hadn't fought a war in 40 years. The US had been bombing new people left and right in every decade

All China does is build stuff -- lots of it! The aircraft engine is just part of it.

China is the best isn't it ?

What about the expansionist behaviour of the Chinese in South China sea & in the Himalayas. Or their blatent copying of every thing with no accountability.

We appreciate the WS engine family. But please don't push the Chinese propaganda.

 

[MonaLazy]

You can see an Indian engine in 2045-50 earliest if lucky that to in trails ahh
Let me tell u this is not frustration but as much as I know India this is the fact

110 kN will happen much sooner. 7 years to first flight and another few years to certify it. They are being told to hurry up.


If you saw the leaked GTRE webinar video- Dr G Satheesh Reddy had said every time he interacts with the govt (prolly RM or even PMO) he is asked about progress on the engine. The focus is that sharp.
Your pessimism is unjustified.

@SexyChineseLady
One of our best defence journos has this to say about the WS-15:
Despite the progress the Chinese may have made on the WS-15 family the J-20 doesn't have anywhere near the kind of engine that a 5th gen fighter requires- there are issues over there. In fact, we would have watched closely what kind of deployment experience the Chinese had from Hotan when they deployed J-20s over there.

 

[India Super Power]

110 kN will happen much sooner. 7 years to first flight and another few years to certify it. They are being told to hurry up.


If you saw the leaked GTRE webinar video- Dr G Satheesh Reddy had said every time he interacts with the govt (prolly RM or even PMO) he is asked about progress on the engine. The focus is that sharp.
Your pessimism is unjustified.

@SexyChineseLady
One of our best defence journos has this to say about the WS-15:
Despite the progress the Chinese may have made on the WS-15 family the J-20 doesn't have anywhere near the kind of engine that a 5th gen fighter requires- there are issues over there. In fact, we would have watched closely what kind of deployment experience the Chinese had from Hotan when they deployed J-20s over there.

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