Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon

[Immanuel]

ASMP A is highly supersonic, manoeuvrable and stealthy missile. Able to reach Mach3+ and to fly from 20000m+ to 15 meters above the ground.
On another forum you say, but I think you are wrong, that speed+ help to improve RCS.... so ASMP A muwt be a so nice weapon (but I think its main default for you is to be french )

ASMP-A can easily be shot down by the S-400. It's a tactical nuke missile and there is nothing special about it. It isn't a cruise missile and neither can it maneuver even like a Stormshadow let alone Brahmos. I have nothing against French products, they are by all means great products.

 

[BON PLAN]

ASMP-A can easily be shot down by the S-400. It's a tactical nuke missile and there is nothing special about it. It isn't a cruise missile and neither can it maneuver even like a Stormshadow let alone Brahmos. I have nothing against French products, they are by all means great products.

NO.
Since the dismantle of Pluton missile (and Hades) France has no more tactical nuclear weapn.

ASMP A it's a 300kt warhead...... not enough to be a deterrence weapon?

It's a high supersonic cruise missile (mach 3+ in high altitude), with a better RCS than ASMP, the opportunity to manoeuver (not straght to the target, of course), able to fly from low altitude to 20000mt up to more than 500km. If it's not a cuise missile, wat is it?

For you all that is french can easily be shoot down. As usual.

 

[Steven Rogers]

NO.
Since the dismantle of Pluton missile (and Hades) France has no more tactical nuclear weapn.

ASMP A it's a 300kt warhead...... not enough to be a deterrence weapon?

It's a high supersonic cruise missile (mach 3+ in high altitude), with a better RCS than ASMP, the opportunity to manoeuver (not straght to the target, of course), able to fly from low altitude to 20000mt up to more than 500km. If it's not a cuise missile, wat is it?

For you all that is french can easily be shoot down. As usual.

It's a cruise missile, it cruises under the atmosphere thus falls under the cruise missile trajectory. 300kt tnt yield.

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[Immanuel]

NO.
Since the dismantle of Pluton missile (and Hades) France has no more tactical nuclear weapn.

ASMP A it's a 300kt warhead...... not enough to be a deterrence weapon?

It's a high supersonic cruise missile (mach 3+ in high altitude), with a better RCS than ASMP, the opportunity to manoeuver (not straght to the target, of course), able to fly from low altitude to 20000mt up to more than 500km. If it's not a cuise missile, wat is it?

For you all that is french can easily be shoot down. As usual.

I imply apart from the nuke warhead, there is nothing significant about the ASMP, supersonic sure, low rcs sure, ability to follow pre selected waypoints sure, terminal manveurs (not there), low altitude range limited (the Rafale carrying it would be detected and shot at way before it gets close by the S-400. Even in the Hi-Lo option the range is limited, in a Hi-Hi flight profile, any missile/fighter travelling in high supersonic speeds is easy game for the S-400 especially at altitude. When you also have pop up Panstsirs protecting potential low level ingress routes.

 

[BON PLAN]

I imply apart from the nuke warhead, there is nothing significant about the ASMP, supersonic sure, low rcs sure, ability to follow pre selected waypoints sure, terminal manveurs (not there), low altitude range limited (the Rafale carrying it would be detected and shot at way before it gets close by the S-400. Even in the Hi-Lo option the range is limited, in a Hi-Hi flight profile, any missile/fighter travelling in high supersonic speeds is easy game for the S-400 especially at altitude. When you also have pop up Panstsirs protecting potential low level ingress routes.

Just have to wait a nuclear war between France and a S400 user to see who's right !

 

[Armand2REP]

What makes you think an S-400 can shoot down a Rafale before it launches a 500km range missile? Especially when the 40N6 has yet to pass State Acceptance Trials?

I imply apart from the nuke warhead, there is nothing significant about the ASMP, supersonic sure, low rcs sure, ability to follow pre selected waypoints sure, terminal manveurs (not there), low altitude range limited (the Rafale carrying it would be detected and shot at way before it gets close by the S-400. Even in the Hi-Lo option the range is limited, in a Hi-Hi flight profile, any missile/fighter travelling in high supersonic speeds is easy game for the S-400 especially at altitude. When you also have pop up Panstsirs protecting potential low level ingress routes.

 

[BON PLAN]

What makes you think an S-400 can shoot down a Rafale before it launches a 500km range missile? Especially when the 40N6 has yet to pass State Acceptance Trials?

USSR uber alles ! LOL

 

[Immanuel]

What makes you think an S-400 can shoot down a Rafale before it launches a 500km range missile? Especially when the 40N6 has yet to pass State Acceptance Trials?

An S-400 can shoot down the ASMP when launched at max range because of hi-hi flight trajectory. The only way the ASMP can have a chance of getting anywhere is for it to be launched in a lo-lo flight trajectory, hence taking the Rafale well within the kill range of the S-400.

 

[BON PLAN]

What makes you think an S-400 can shoot down a Rafale before it launches a 500km range missile? Especially when the 40N6 has yet to pass State Acceptance Trials?

A S400 can shoot a small bird at a range of 400km he say. So take back your ASMP A, totally usefull and made by french idiots. :blah::blah::blah:

 

[BON PLAN]

I think that @smestarz and @Immanuel are living together.
I don't know who is the man and who is the moman, but for sure they live in the same appartment.

 

[Armand2REP]

An S-400 can shoot down the ASMP when launched at max range because of hi-hi flight trajectory. The only way the ASMP can have a chance of getting anywhere is for it to be launched in a lo-lo flight trajectory, hence taking the Rafale well within the kill range of the S-400.

ASMP-A doesn't fly hi-hi, if it did that it would have a 600km range. It is high until it enters the air defence zone and then flies low for the last 100km of a 500km flight. If shot closer there are even more trajectory options, it is fully programmable. The current S-400 configuration only has a 200+km range. Rafale on a nuclear run would never have to get that close, even if it did it is well outside of the detection envelop for LO targets.

 

[Immanuel]

ASMP-A doesn't fly hi-hi, if it did that it would have a 600km range. It is high until it enters the air defence zone and then flies low for the last 100km of a 500km flight. If shot closer there are even more trajectory options, it is fully programmable. The current S-400 configuration only has a 200+km range. Rafale on a nuclear run would never have to get that close, even if it did it is well outside of the detection envelop for LO targets.

Not true, S-400 already has the 40N6 missiles deployed and in operational use, the missile still in trials is the 70N6. More so, the Rafale won't even see a S-400 fire unit till it's too late, the Rafale will see the Big Bird and try to jam it but knowing fully well that a jam is being played on the radar, a fire unit can pop up on the unsuspecting Rafale any time. The Big Bird along with the Regimental Command center can be up to a 100km away from from the fire unit. combine with a pop up regiment of Pantsirs placed well along the lines, a nuke run against such an adversary requires an entire sqd or two of Rafales, plenty of decoys, plenty of regular cruise missiles and the nuke package.

Regardless a 100km lo run is useless since the ASMP would have been shot down in the high altitude flight.

 

[Immanuel]

I think that @smestarz and @Immanuel are living together.
I don't know who is the man and who is the moman, but for sure they live in the same appartment.

We do live in the same appartment while taking turns on your French grandmother

 

[Immanuel]

A S400 can shoot a small bird at a range of 400km he say. So take back your ASMP A, totally usefull and made by french idiots. :blah::blah::blah:

Rafale can be shot down by the S-400 and it has several missile types that can quite easily shoot it down. When a hypersonic missile like the 40N6 is launched at the Rafale regardless of the final engagement range, ze French pilot will run faster than a rabbit gets fucked, just like ze French ran when the Germans came knocking.

 

[Sancho]

Sieh dir den Tweet von @Eurofighter_1 an:

 

[Armand2REP]

Not true, S-400 already has the 40N6 missiles deployed and in operational use,

Then why are the Chinese complaining about not having it and is nowhere to be seen?'

К примеру, в январе 2017-го года один из многочисленных китайских военно-аналитических ресурсов, не на шутку встревоженный отсутствием ЗУР 40Н6 в составе полученных «Четырёхсоток», даже пустился проводить целое расследование о возможном наличии этих ракет на вооружении российских 40Р6 «Триумф», опираясь на наши и западные источники. Упомянули китайцы и о 350-400 - километровой дальнобойной ЗУР 9М82МВ из боевого комплекта модернизированного войскового ЗРК С-300В4, которую очень часто путают с 40Н6; и о закрывающих небо над АвБ Хмеймим «сирийских» С-400, которые, по данным американской космической разведки, имеют стандартные 4-хзарядные ВПУ 5П85СМ2 с зенитными управляемыми ракетами 48Н6ДМ без каких-либо «намёков» на 2-хзарядные ВПУ для ракет 40Н6.

https://topwar.ru/108185-triumfy-bez-izdeliy-40n6-naskolko-hromaet-oboronosposobnost-vks-rossii.html

More so, the Rafale won't even see a S-400 fire unit till it's too late, .

Of course the Rafale will see the S-400 fire immediately, the missiles are as big as a house. Not to mention it will know exactly when it has a target lock.

the Rafale will see the Big Bird and try to jam it but knowing fully well that a jam is being played on the radar, a fire unit can pop up on the unsuspecting Rafale any time. The Big Bird along with the Regimental Command center can be up to a 100km away from from the fire unit. combine with a pop up regiment of Pantsirs placed well along the lines, a nuke run against such an adversary requires an entire sqd or two of Rafales, plenty of decoys, plenty of regular cruise missiles and the nuke package

Rafale has been flying around the S-400 in Syria for years. Spectra has already sniffed all the trons out of that radar and added all the wave forms to the threat library. Pantsir isn't rated to shoot down Mach 3 missiles and it will be too late for S-400 to try to intercept it. The entire area will be incinerated by a 300kt fire ball.

Regardless a 100km lo run is useless since the ASMP would have been shot down in the high altitude flight.

You think it is so easy to shoot down maneuvering Mach 3 missiles hitting the deck? Can we use you as the test subject?

 

[Sancho]

Sieh dir den Tweet von @BelgiumDefence an:

 

[Sancho]

BAE Systems offers UK credit to secure Typhoon sale in Malaysia
14 February 2018

Key Points

• BAE Systems says UK export credit remains on the table for Malaysia if required
• UK company also positions Typhoon industrial package to meet local requirements

BAE Systems has reiterated its commitment to offer UK government export finance to Malaysia if the Southeast Asian country selects the Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft for its next-generation air combat requirements.

An official from BAE Systems in Kuala Lumpur told Jane’son 13 February that the UK government’s credit offer remains on the table and available for Malaysia if the country requires the funding. He added, “The UK government has made it clear that financing would be available if requested.”

http://www.janes.com/article/77888/bae-systems-offers-uk-credit-to-secure-typhoon-sale-in-malaysia

 

[Sancho]

Translated

Belgium has received "two offers" (USA and Great Britain) to replace its F-16

Belgium has received as expected "two offers" definitive figures Wednesday, from the United Kingdom and the United States, to replace its fleet of fighter jets, announced the Belgian Minister of Defense.

"It was confirmed to me that we had received two offers" from the Americans and the British, said Steven Vandeput (N-VA, Flemish nationalists), on the sidelines of a meeting of NATO with his counterparts in Brussels.

The United States - often presented as favorites - has submitted an offer for the Lockheed Martin F-35 aircraft and the United Kingdom (with support from Italy, Spain and Germany) have made a proposal for the Typhoon of the European consortium Eurofighter.

These offers follow a call for tenders launched from State to State for the replacement, as of 2023, of American F-16s currently used by the Belgian Air Force.

Interested candidates had until Wednesday to submit their "best final offer" to Belgium, which plans to buy a total of 34 new fighter aircraft to replace the F-16, a market estimated at 3.6 billion euros...

http://www.sudinfo.be/id39300/artic...sa-et-grande-bretagne-pour-remplacer-ses-f-16

 

[Flame Thrower]

ASMP-A doesn't fly hi-hi, if it did that it would have a 600km range. It is high until it enters the air defence zone and then flies low for the last 100km of a 500km flight. If shot closer there are even more trajectory options, it is fully programmable. The current S-400 configuration only has a 200+km range. Rafale on a nuclear run would never have to get that close, even if it did it is well outside of the detection envelop for LO targets.

Why IADS is not being considered.....

If one UHF/VHF radar is scanning the area. Rest of tracking or targeting radars are shut. There could be multiple batteries of BuK and x band tracking component of S400 armed with 9M96E2 missiles quietly waiting for Saturation attacks. Let's not even forget the point defense like Pantisr S1/S2.

I don't meant to say that S-400 is impregnable, but it's going to cost a fortune to do so.