Eurofighter EF-2000 Typhoon

[BON PLAN]

And that's why I said that Rafale has more range, while only be able to carry half the weapon load of EF.

:bs: .

 

[Immanuel]

A free fall bomb in th 21st century?
A joke, only a US joke.

A nuclear bomb on a pane that can be shoot down by a 4x23mm battery.... Remember that serbian troops were able to shoot a F117 !

You seem to be comparing the RCS of F-35 VS F-117, heck a clean LCA will have better RCS than a F-177 let alone the F-35, second the B-16 upgraded bomb will be carried internally. The F-35 with its far better sensors like DAS, EOTS, it's radar can spot gaps far better than any other aircraft, it would have little trouble exploting to it's advantage. Keep in mind vanilla birds like the F-16, Rafale, EFs have shown an ability to slip across nets of decent defenses, the F-35 will only do better.

 

[BON PLAN]

You seem to be comparing the RCS of F-35 VS F-117, heck a clean LCA will have better RCS than a F-177 let alone the F-35, second the B-16 upgraded bomb will be carried internally. The F-35 with its far better sensors like DAS, EOTS, it's radar can spot gaps far better than any other aircraft, it would have little trouble exploting to it's advantage. Keep in mind vanilla birds like the F-16, Rafale, EFs have shown an ability to slip across nets of decent defenses, the F-35 will only do better.

I agree,
but a F35 is maybe VLO to some radar, but not to electro optical systems (it has a big IR signature), so very keen to be destroyed by a short range AA artillery or IR SAM.

 

[Immanuel]

I agree,
but a F35 is maybe VLO to some radar, but not to electro optical systems (it has a big IR signature), so very keen to be destroyed by a short range AA artillery or IR SAM.

Well the Rafale has just the same vulnerabilities, being twin engine and all. The same logic applies there. All aircraft are vulnerable to short range AA artillery and IR SAMs, some more than others. The F-35 has a good chance of staying clear of such things.

 

[Immanuel]

While nukes can be launched anytime with the use of cruise and ballictic missiles, some messages need to be delivered up close and personal, nothing says 'fuck you' better than a nuke delivered at your base by a well honed pilot.

 

[asianobserve]

I agree,
but a F35 is maybe VLO to some radar, but not to electro optical systems (it has a big IR signature), so very keen to be destroyed by a short range AA artillery or IR SAM.

IRST is good if you know where to look at. But in a combat scenario the first and best detection method is still radar. So this is where stealth aircraft like F-35 will have the advantage over legacy aircraft like EF and Rafale. Besides, F-35s EOTS and DAS are way better than legacy IRSTs.

 

[BON PLAN]

IRST is good if you know where to look at. But in a combat scenario the first and best detection method is still radar. So this is where stealth aircraft like F-35 will have the advantage over legacy aircraft like EF and Rafale. Besides, F-35s EOTS and DAS are way better than legacy IRSTs.

See the new warships : they now have a 360° IR apperture.

In the special case of a free fall (nuclear) bomb release mission, to be shoot down 2 seconds before the release is enough. The risk is very important.
Maybe B61 is a first use weapon in the NATO arsenal? In this case it's more understandable.

 

[BON PLAN]

Well the Rafale has just the same vulnerabilities, being twin engine and all. The same logic applies there. All aircraft are vulnerable to short range AA artillery and IR SAMs, some more than others. The F-35 has a good chance of staying clear of such things.

YES.
But the initial question raise around the release of a nuclear weapon :
F35 has to fly very near its target (free fall bomb) when Rafale fired its ASMPA from hundreds kilometers.

 

[Armand2REP]

- lower collateral damage
- higher precision
- extended range
- higher load configs
- all weather capability

http://m.aviationweek.com/awin/uk-france-fine-tune-libyan-air-ops

For basic CAS targets, that are stationary or without low collateral damage requirements, the EF already uses Paveway IV.

During Libya we used Paveway II training rounds to avoid collateral damage. Those are even cheaper than the live ammo. Instead of wasting $250k per round we are developing BAT-120LG which are using a low cost universal semi-active laser seeker for it, rockets and mortars carrying 9 per station.

http://www.janes.com/article/72985/thales-progresses-laser-guided-bat-120-munition

 

[asianobserve]

See the new warships : they now have a 360° IR apperture.

In the special case of a free fall (nuclear) bomb release mission, to be shoot down 2 seconds before the release is enough. The risk is very important.
Maybe B61 is a first use weapon in the NATO arsenal? In this case it's more understandable.

B-61 mod 11 is underground nuke and it will be released from high altitude so risk to releasing aircraft is minimal. B-61 mod 12 is low yield nuke with 50 megaton warhead. This will also be released from high altitude and will be slowed down by rockets. So the danger to delivering aircraft is also small.

The biggest problem with B-61 is that it's an ordinary bomb which means that the delivering airsraft has to be above the target to deliver it. It's not a very efficient way of delivering nuke in today's advanced AD systems. But if there's any platform that offers the best chance of success in delivery it will be stealthy F-35.

I think the Americans are now planning of putting new generation of low yield tactical nukes on cruise missiles in response to Russian tactical nuke developments. I guess we are for some scary times ahead.

 

[BON PLAN]

B-61 mod 12 is low yield nuke with 50 megaton warhead.

50 megatons a low yield warhead ! What is a high yield for you ?

 

[asianobserve]

50 megatons a low yield warhead ! What is a high yield for you ?

The yield of B-61 mid 12 can be dialed down so 50 megatons is the upper limit.

 

[Immanuel]

YES.
But the initial question raise around the release of a nuclear weapon :
F35 has to fly very near its target (free fall bomb) when Rafale fired its ASMPA from hundreds kilometers.

The B-61-12 is updated to have a tail that increases it's delivery range. the B-61 is weapon meant to destroy air bases, naval yards and potentially battle groups on high seas i.e military targets. The F-35 should have the best chance of getting through complex air defences. With DAS, EOTS and it's AESA it will have far wider a picture of the battle field situational awareness. This should allow for many types of new tactics including diversionary measures.

ASMP-A is an easy target for the S-300/400 style SAMs so firing a weapon from hundreds of km doesn't assure successful delivery

 

[BON PLAN]

The B-61-12 is updated to have a tail that increases it's delivery range. the B-61 is weapon meant to destroy air bases, naval yards and potentially battle groups on high seas i.e military targets. The F-35 should have the best chance of getting through complex air defences. With DAS, EOTS and it's AESA it will have far wider a picture of the battle field situational awareness. This should allow for many types of new tactics including diversionary measures.

ASMP-A is an easy target for the S-300/400 style SAMs so firing a weapon from hundreds of km doesn't assure successful delivery

ASMP A is highly supersonic, manoeuvrable and stealthy missile. Able to reach Mach3+ and to fly from 20000m+ to 15 meters above the ground.
On another forum you say, but I think you are wrong, that speed+ help to improve RCS.... so ASMP A muwt be a so nice weapon (but I think its main default for you is to be french )

 

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[Sancho]

UK Royal Air Force hails Eurofighter capability improvements to create ‘world’s most potent fighter’
6 Feb 2018

The UK Royal Air Force has predicted 2018 will be the ‘Year of the Typhoon’ with weapons upgrades transforming the aircraft into the most capable fighter in the world.

The claim comes after an aircraft from the RAF’s 41(R) Squadron – the Test and Evaluation Squadron based at RAF Coningsby, Lincolnshire - recently became the first of its type to successfully fire a Storm Shadow air-to-surface missile and a next generation Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air weapon in trials.

Gp Capt John Cunningham, who heads up Project Centurion - the programme to improve the jet’s capabilities for the UK fleet - said: “By the end of 2018 no other aircraft in the world will have all of the Typhoon’s capabilities.

“It will have the long-range air-to- air Meteor missile, Brimstone and Storm Shadow which can hit moving targets and underground structures, Paveway IV laser guided bombs, the Litening III targeting pod and ASRAAM air-to-air missiles. All this will come together by December 2018 making the next year the biggest game changer ever in the development of this aircraft.”

Project Centurion will ensure seamless transition of capability from Tornado to Typhoon by the time Tornado goes out of service in 2019. Currently only the RAF’s three Tornado squadrons can fight with Storm Shadow and Brimstone air-to-surface missiles...

https://www.baesystems.com/en-be/ar...ments-to-create--world-s-most-potent-fighter-

 

[Armand2REP]

Airbus Ordered To Pay $99 Million Fine In Eurofighter Graft Case

Frankfurt: German prosecutors have ordered Airbus to pay 81.25 million euros ($99 million) to settle one of two investigations into alleged corruption surrounding the sale of Eurofighter combat jets to Austria in 2003, the two sides said on Friday.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/eurofighter-case-airbus-ordered-to-pay-99-million-fine-1810905