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Yup first year
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Damn. Same Here. Which College and which stream? Also, on a side note, electric battery technology is bound to improve so exponentially that the IC engined vehicles of today are going to look extremely ancient 20 years down the line.
 

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electric cars ....do anyone remembered the electric bike
Emflux Motors to Launch India’s 1st Electric Superbike in 2018

Indian automobile market will soon feature an exclusive product from Emflux Motors, a Bangalore based start-up that’s promising an electric sports bike by 2018.

India has witnessed few other brands like Tork Motors and Ather Energy in the same segment but none other talked about making something that could claim 0-100 kmph in under 3.5 seconds. Their first product will debut at 2018 Auto Expo and carries an impressive design in its digital design image.



The first prototype of the motorcycle is called Model 1 and currently faces the testing stage. Its testing may end around June 2017. Model 1 carries a lithium ion battery that takes just 36 minutes to reach 80 percent from a fast charger.

They have claimed a top speed of around 170 kmph while the sprint time for 0-100 kmph will take under 3.5 seconds. The battery offers a range of 200 kms while the noiseless drivetrain will even help in reduction of noise pollution.

https://news.maxabout.com/bikes/emflux-motors-to-launch-indias-1st-electric-superbike-in-2018/''

Bajaj Auto's Electric Vehicle Plan

 

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Emflux Motors to Launch India’s 1st Electric Superbike in 2018

Indian automobile market will soon feature an exclusive product from Emflux Motors, a Bangalore based start-up that’s promising an electric sports bike by 2018.

India has witnessed few other brands like Tork Motors and Ather Energy in the same segment but none other talked about making something that could claim 0-100 kmph in under 3.5 seconds. Their first product will debut at 2018 Auto Expo and carries an impressive design in its digital design image.



The first prototype of the motorcycle is called Model 1 and currently faces the testing stage. Its testing may end around June 2017. Model 1 carries a lithium ion battery that takes just 36 minutes to reach 80 percent from a fast charger.

They have claimed a top speed of around 170 kmph while the sprint time for 0-100 kmph will take under 3.5 seconds. The battery offers a range of 200 kms while the noiseless drivetrain will even help in reduction of noise pollution.

https://news.maxabout.com/bikes/emflux-motors-to-launch-indias-1st-electric-superbike-in-2018/''

Bajaj Auto's Electric Vehicle Plan

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Damn. Same Here. Which College and which stream? Also, on a side note, electric battery technology is bound to improve so exponentially that the IC engined vehicles of today are going to look extremely ancient 20 years down the line.
Read in a report on Economic Times about Ashok Leyland electric buses which is made in India.
The report says that Lithium Batteries of today matches the entire life of the vehicle its installed .
Well!! thats pretty solid going by that info.
 

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Bike companies like Hero, Honda should have come up with electric bikes .Would have been great for daily commute and reduce the oil consumption. Some thing like with full charge it will go 100km. Existing electric scooters are weak,
 

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Looks are secondary dude, what we are talking here is something else.
This is where Tesla did it wonderfully well.-on the looks
Their cars looks very soo much like the fossil fuel variant and not very distinguishable.
 
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Electric cars will surely be the way to go in the future. With improvements in battery technology, metallurgy and alloys and power generation and distribution infrastructure, battery-powered vehicles will surely become better and better and thus, reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

The question is do we have adequate reserves of rare earths to facilitate the local manufacturing of the key equipment?
 

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In a first, Nearly 150 Electric Buses Will Soon be Plying Bengaluru’s Roads


In 2014, the Bengaluru Metropolitan Transport Corporation (BMTC) unveiled the country’s first electric bus in an attempt to introduce cleaner public transport for the city’s burgeoning population. However, the idea didn’t materialise because of the high investment costs.

Cut to nearly three years later; the Bengaluru Metropolitan Transport Corporation, helped by the Union government, could make electric buses a reality for commuters.





So how much do these buses cost? Nearly thrice the amount of a diesel bus between Rs 2-3 crores. A substantial investment to be borne by the Transport corporation alone.


“We are expecting anywhere between Rs 85 lakh to Rs 1 crore as a subsidy (per bus). The remaining will be borne by the corporation,“ BMTC managing director V Ponnuraj told ET. The tender document will invite those who can provide both buses and charging points.

However, the operating costs of electric buses are cheaper (Rs 10/km) than the diesel ones (Rs 1523/k


According to an Indian Institute of Science (IISc) study, electric buses generate 27% more revenue and 82% more profits than diesel buses per day.




https://www.thebetterindia.com/117793/electric-buses-bengaluru-roads-150/


Namma Bengaluru!!! Buaahahahahahahahaa
 
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However, the operating costs of electric buses are cheaper (Rs 10/km) than the diesel ones (Rs 1523/k
15.23/k u mean ..right ?
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Electric cars will surely be the way to go in the future. With improvements in battery technology, metallurgy and alloys and power generation and distribution infrastructure, battery-powered vehicles will surely become better and better and thus, reduce our dependence on fossil fuels.

The question is do we have adequate reserves of rare earths to facilitate the local manufacturing of the key equipment?
You seem to have read the article on "The Wire". Worry not, Lithium based batteries are just a stopgap arrangements. Sodium-based batteries are the future. We have enough Lithium to keep us going for at least a 100 years.
 

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Companies plan mega investments on e-vehicles, batteries & charging infrastructure

NEW DELHI: India Inc is preparing plans for mega investments for the electric vehicle mission including charging infrastructure worth thousands of crores in cities, batteries and purchase of three-wheelers and cars.

Government officials said they have held extensive discussions with more than 50 companies, domestic and foreign, for setting up charging infrastructure – a vital requirement of the country’s ambitious e-vehicle plan. Ola and several local taxi aggregators are also considering bulk purchases of electric three-wheelers and e-rickshaws and lease them, industry executives and officials said.

A top official involved in the government’s e-vehicle’s programme said Tata Powe, ABB, ACME Cleantech, and few Dutch firms are actively considering setting up vehicle charging stations, while ExideBSE Industries, Amron Batteries and Microtek have held discussions with officials about supplying batteries and setting up bulk shops for motorists to swap drained out batteries with charged ones.

Praveer Sinha, chairman and managing director of Tata Power Delhi Distribution Ltd, said the company plans to partner DMRC and Municipal Corporation of Delhi to set up charging stations at metro stations and other possible locations.




Sinha said a fast-charging station requires an investment of about `25 lakh, while a slowcharging outlet would cost about `1lakh. :shock:When the electric vehicle sales pick up in about five years, an area of 3 km could require about 300:eek1:charging stations with about 4-5 charging slots, he said. With this costing, setting up charging stations across Delhi would cost about Rs 3,300 crore over five years.


State-run NTPC and Power Grid Corp are also in talks with Delhi Metro Rail Corp (DMRC) and other entities in over half a dozen cities for space to set up battery charging and rapid vehicle charging stations, industry and government sources said. The two firms also plan to purchase batteries in large numbers to lease them out as the government plans to promote electric- three wheelers without batteries to cut costs, sources said.

While setting up charging stations is a challenge, Sinha said it was easier than adequately strengthening the distribution network. An NTPC official said present charging infrastructure is limited as the number of electric vehicles on roads is miniscule as compared to petrol, diesel and CNG vehicles. “It is a chicken and egg kind of situation.

Since presently there are less electric vehicles, companies did not want to set up charging stations,” he said.

Power regulator Central Electricity Regulatory Commission has recognised three business models viable within the framework of the Electricity Act 2003. Sources said only electricity distribution licensees and its franchisees could be allowed to set up charging stations as the Act prohibits sale of electricity by any entity other than distribution company.

ET had on October 5 reported that the government is planning to float bulk supply tenders for electric three-wheelers and electric-rickshaws followed by contracts for electric buses.

It expects to get bids from manufacturers such as Bajaj AutoBSE 0.22 %, Mahindra & Mahindra, TVS and Piaggio Ape for the tenders for three wheelers.

:shock:In order to cut costs and promote electric vehicles, the government is considering sale of two-wheelers, three-wheelers and city buses without batteries to cut costs. The batteries will be leased at a specified cost and can be swapped with recharged ones at charging stations. The government plans to shift to an all-electric fleet by 2030:shock:
Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

In order to cut costs and promote electric vehicles, the government is considering sale of two-wheelers, three-wheelers and city buses without batteries to cut costs. The batteries will be leased at a specified cost and can be swapped with recharged ones at charging stations.
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For that a lot of device standardization needed to be done across the vehicle manufacturers and battery industries from design stage itself to make this plan actually work the way they envisioned like how a petrol/diesel vehicle will fill up and leave from a petrol station.

Its better atleast in the junior years they have an independent regulator body for e vehicles deployment project who is coordinating the efforts between all stakeholders in the industry, irrespective of political party or creed to fulfill the e vehicles mission.

If a set of standards are not put for across all the stake holders of the e vehicle mission , Auto majors will pitch in tweaks in their devices at the END USER ARENA for undue market advantage which will kill the innovation or make it rough for players with less market presence.
Also, the end customer will find it difficult in varying situations forcing them to be contended with what the auto major offered.
 

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You seem to have read the article on "The Wire". Worry not, Lithium based batteries are just a stopgap arrangements. Sodium-based batteries are the future. We have enough Lithium to keep us going for at least a 100 years.
Graphene based batteries are also on offer.
 

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Meet the minds that shaped the electric cars' dream in India

Sudarshan Kumar Maini , founder of the Maini Group, is 84 but rarely misses a board meeting of any of its Bengaluru-headquartered companies. It’s early October, a sunny day, and we’re ready for a trip down an electric lane.

For an entire generation, Chetan Maini, aged 47, is the face of the electric car because of the Reva. It’s the electric car built from Bommasandra in Bengaluru from 2000 onward—a business the Mainis sold to automaker Mahindra & Mahindra in 2010. But trust Chetan Maini, for perspective. He is the youngest of Sudarshan Maini’s sons after Sandeep, 51, and Gautam, 50.

The Bommasandra plant by itself has been a womb to many ventures, notably to build dock-levellers that ran on electrical energy with hydraulic power packs. This was for factory plants in the early 1990s, where labour was used to load and unload bulky materials, or where diesel was often used to power equivalent appliances on the shop floor. Later this month, the Bommasandra plant will host its aerospace components business. Back in 2000, the Mainis wanted to build a consumerfacing product from that plant.

“The family put Reva ahead of everything else,” says Chetan. “In many ways, the Maini group would have been far bigger if it had reinvested the cash in existing businesses when they were growing.” He is referring to the mainstay, Maini Precision Products which last fiscal contributed nearly 80% of the group revenue. “But the group put a lot of emotional and personal investment in the electric car venture than any automotive group here before.”

But the spark behind the electric vision came from the founder, Sudarshan Maini, when he noticed factory shop floors’ dependence on diesel and labour.

ELECTRIC EYE

In 1983, he was taking Maini Precision Products to the exports markets. It had been a decade since he started the company to build components, machine tools and hardware of all kinds. Bosch India (MICO or Motor Industries Company then) was one of his earliest customers. Before starting the Maini Group, he had become the first Indian to reach a top position in 1968, heading production management in an organisation where Germans held leadership sway. As the Maini Group expanded and Sudarshan Maini visited more companies in India, he noticed the high dependence on diesel and manual labour on the shop floors.




The electric dock-leveller, introduced in the early 1990s, sought to automate loading and unloading in factories by bringing the dock level with the trucks that brought the goods there. This has become the company now known as Maini Materials Movement (MMM) under Sandeep, but sparked off a number of other ventures. “The electric dock-levellers enhanced safety and labour productivity,” recalls Sandeep, adding that MMM focussed on small and medium-scale manufacturing companies.

Under the goods and services tax, warehouses will now have larger footprints, and MMM is eyeing a bigger market. The MMM venture also paved the way for the Mainis to get into warehousing systems. This has happened because of a joint venture with the Ferretto Group in Italy called Armes Maini. “We were in movement and stacking systems. Then, we went into loading and unloading systems, then we went into storage. Now we have the entire portfolio,” Sandeep Maini says. From factories to airports and IT campuses, the group has also sold its electric buggies and tow tugs. This was an MMM solution, established around the same time as the Reva.

REVVING FOR THE ’90S

Both Sandeep and Gautam Maini cut their teeth in business from 1989, when Chetan left for the US to study mechanical engineering at Michigan University. Sudarshan Maini was active in Maini Precision Products, and took Gautam under his wing who had specialised in commerce and finance. While Maini Sr was busy with the exports with a keen eye for foreign companies to collaborate with for the domestic market, Gautam focussed on operations. In the past decade, he has built the aerospace venture from scratch. In the same time, Sandeep grew Maini Materials Movement from the get-go. “Each brother brings a unique trait to the table,” says a former manager of the Maini Group, who asked not to be identified. “Chetan has always been the innovator. Gautam is extremely good in customer orientation and business while Sandeep is very good in organisational development.”

According to him, Sandeep Maini brings realistic frameworks to the business: who will be in charge of a project, deploying the team, and timelines. Chetan gives the example of how the Mainis were able to create an affiliated business for the Reva electric car’s needs in 2009. This would evolve into an independent business called Maini Plastics and Composites, with its own OEM customers. The electriccar ecosystem didn’t exist in the country, but a new model of the electric car required plastic panels.

Maini Precision Products created a plastics division to make vacuum formed parts and sub-assemblies. “The resources and strength we needed for that— a new facility, R&D team–we could very quickly put it together,” Chetan recalls. “We did it very seamlessly, and I could focus on my core—technology guidance to the team. They operationalised it, and they understood quality systems because they had worked in other Maini businesses before.”

Similarly, the group set up the first few charging plants and a chassis division. There were up to five new divisions that were created to help build Reva. What surprised the Maini Group was that OEMs began to approach them after seeing the exteriors of the Reva. This paved the way for orders from the likes of Ashok Leyland and Bosch. “It came into being, built on the spaces of Reva,” the eldest brother says.




Even as Gautam Maini has been the Maini Group’s face to customers globally with Maini Precision Products, he has worked on building its aerospace venture. In June, the group signed a 10-year contract with French OEM Saffran Aircraft Engines to make low-pressure turbine guide vanes for their LEAP engines. He began cultivating ties with the company more than a decade ago. “You don’t make money for long periods of time, but approvals from the clients is quite a journey— an excellent journey,” says Sandeep Maini. “The stability of the auto components business has helped us sustain ventures like aerospace.”

It has also entered into a contract with Marshall Aerospace and Defence Group to manufacture structural machined parts and sub-assemblies for a major aircraft OEM. “Raw materials are typically imported. It is very expensive, calls for high-quality processes,” Sandeep adds. “The key is relationships,” says Sudarshan Maini. “We have believed in relationships beyond business. Sometimes, we don’t make money but we have maintained our relationships.” It’s funny that the strongest association with the Mainis is the electric car for a company steeped in B2B engagements. That brings us to the question: What’s Chetan been building?

FUTURE PERFECT

The youngest brother has been busy over the past five years, even as he moved on from Mahindra Reva and its electric vehicle business. He is a co-promoter to a startup called Lithium Urban Technologies to establish the infrastructure and service environment for shared electric-powered mobility.

In this period, he was part of the automotive electronics working group to revise national policy, and advisor for the National Electric Mobility Mission Plan 2020, a government initiative to promote hybrid and electric mobility in India. But Chetan Maini returned to headlines a few months back with a joint venture between Virya Mobility 5.0 (wholly owned by the Maini Brothers) and SUN New Energy Systems to build a batteryswapping infrastructure on the scale of petrol stations. It’s called Sun Mobility.

“The idea is build a network of stations with smart batteries (IoT-enabled) which are compatible with multiple platform types,” he says. This will contribute to getting energy at a lower cost, and maintenance. “We have to separate the energy business from the vehicle business. And make refuelling quicker.” The battery is a huge part of the electric vehicle cost, he notes. Sun Mobility will focus on the electric three-wheeler and electric bus market, to begin with. Apart from the Mainis’ 15-year experience of running Reva Electric Car, there are at least three external factors that nobody anticipated a decade ago, thanks to the smartphone. There is constantly improving mobile and Internet connectivity.

Two, there is the shared economy popularised by the Olas and Ubers. And the sensors-enabled IoT. Beyond these three factors, investors and entrepreneurs can’t miss the rise of a Tesla, which has become the face of the electric car. That’s the backdrop. But in India, Chetan has experienced two challenges from his Reva years which Sun Mobility wants to solve for public transport and the shared economy when both lean toward electric vehicles: infrastructure support.

It’s range anxiety especially for long distance commutes. “In shared mobility, drivers don’t know gross distance in a day and area they have to go to. They can’t afford to be off the road. This market is growing the most,” he says. Refuelling time is vital for them, apart from the range anxiety. “With society moving to shared economies and pay-asyou-go, our solution has to enable that,” he says. The solution is to provide batteries from station, like how gas cylinders are provided to households.

In the bus stations, the batteries will be robotically swapped because of the size of the batteries. “The process will be automated to measure how much is done? How many kilometres and how much energy has been used? Everything is known. No pilferage. Everything is handled for you. We want to simplify the whole process,” he explains. “We’ll own the batteries.” This also means that different electric vehicles will need different batteries to be fully charged at the swapping stations. Maini is confident they have the IPs and math figured out. And a proof of concept is expected in January. And if that doesn’t sound straight out of a Philip K Dick, it’s because the Mainis have been at electric technologies for almost a quarter century in some shape and form. That matters when the future is electric.

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Coming soon: Three new high-performance electric cars from Mahindra

Highlights
  • Mahindra & Mahindra will offer three new high-performance electric cars by 2019-20
  • The announcement comes in the backdrop of the Indian government declaring that the country will only sell electric cars by 2030
  • Mahindra also believes that by 2020 battery costs will substantially come down making e-cars cheaper
NEW DELHI: Mahindra & Mahindra the only carmaker that sells electric cars in India on Wednesday said that it will have three new offerings in the space by 2019-20. "We will have three new products (in the EV or electric vehicle space) which will be high performance ones," Mahindra Electric Mobility CEO (chief executive officer) Mahesh Babu said. He was speaking at a seminar on electric vehicles at the Norwegian Embassy in Delhi.

The three new cars will have top speeds of 186 kmph (kilometres per hour), 150 kmph and 190 kmph and will go from 0-100 kms in 9, 11, and 8 seconds respectively. The range for these cars would be 350 km, 250 km, and 300 km.

The announcement comes in the backdrop of the Indian government declaring that the country will only sell electric cars by 2030. "India surprisingly took a very bold step declaring what would happen by 2030... that changed the scenario in the last six months," Babu said while highlighting that the key challenge for the government lies in creating an EV ecosystem which includes a robust charging infrastructure.

Mahindra, which is otherwise popular for its range of SUVs (sports utility vehicles) currently has in its EV stable four vehicles-- the e2o (hatchback), eVerito (sedan), eSupro (mini-van) and eAlfa mini (rickshaw).

One the three new models that will roll out of the Mahindra factory in next couple of years will be the electric version of its compact SUV, the KUV100. Pawan Goenka, managing director, Mahindra & Mahindra had revealed this in October. The other two new vehicles in the electric space will be from the SUV and crossover segments, according to a company source. In fact, in October Goenka had gone on to say that all future SUVs and crossovers from Mahindra will have an EV version.


On Wednesday, Babu said the company is also working at making charging faster. "What would take 1-1.5 hours earlier would now take about 40 mins," he said. For a full charge the e2o currently takes about 5 hours.

Mahindra also believes that by 2020 battery costs will substantially come down, making it possible to offer electric cars at a cheaper price. Currently e-vehicles in India are expensive owing to the fact that lithium-ion batteries are costly and have to be imported. The e2o, for instance, starts at Rs 7.46 lakh (ex-showroom), which compared to a regular hatchback comes at quite a premium. "India is very sensitive to value for cost. We have been trying for the last seven years (to push e-mobility) but we have only achieved that much," Babu said stressing on the need for a "huge policy push" from the government's side.

India is one of the fastest growing car markets in the world, having clocked 3 million (petrol and diesel vehicles) in annual sales during the last fiscal. However, electric car sales in the country continue to be negligible compared to this.

Electrification of transportation will be high on the agenda of the Narendra Modi government in the days to come as India's cities choke on dangerous levels of air pollution. As the government pushes for electric mobility, companies like Mahindra are likely to have a first-mover advantage.


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...c-cars-from-mahindra/articleshow/61949238.cms
 

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