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[bhavesh100]

S-2 4

AFAIK
S-3 8
S-4 8,
Tonnage of S-3 & S-4 is more than S-2
Exact tonnage is not known to me.

India should not announce any nuclear sun launch. Let us keep paki and chino in dark.

 

[kunal1123]

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[IndianHawk]

India should not announce any nuclear sun launch. Let us keep paki and chino in dark.

They are aware. It's not easy to hide 6000-8000 ton submarines when on dockyard . But once it's underwater it's anybody's guess where it is .

 

[Tridev123]

@porky_kicker @NeXoft007 Continue doing the good work. We don't get much info on our strategic programmes especially the nuclear subs part in the mainstream media. Rely on people like you to update us.

Just would like to share some thoughts.
Against China a couple of SSBN's with 12 SLBM load firing K5 missiles 5000 km range would be enough as minimum credible nuclear deterrent. If K5 is mirv armed all the better.Our subs can stay submerged in the Bay of Bengal inside our territorial waters and cover the whole of China.

The most tricky question after deterring China is
Do we need a deterrent against the US also
A >10,000km ICBM programme would be seen as provocative and invite Washington 's ire. India is presently not in a position to antagonise the US.

But a SSBN force with missiles like K5 and K6 (6000km range) should not be seen as provocative. They will not be able to reach continental US if based in the Indian Ocean waters. And in extreme circumstances they can be moved to the Pacific ocean to become a deterrent to the US if the situation demands.

Is the government thinking along these lines?. Or is the Government planning to develop a true ICBM with over 10,000km range.

Pakistan is a pygmy in front of the US and China and can be easily deterred.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Do we need a deterrent against the US also
A >10,000km ICBM programme

For that you need to build a navy that will have advanced warships literally at every corner of BAY OF BENGAL.
Personally, US too now know there days are numbered as a no. 1 in world and after 2040(if world remain green and if we remained indic civilization to the core and not converted into desert jokers ideology or evangelical stupidity cult), we will see lots of action on the world stage.

 

[IndianHawk]

@porky_kicker @NeXoft007 Continue doing the good work. We don't get much info on our strategic programmes especially the nuclear subs part in the mainstream media. Rely on people like you to update us.

Just would like to share some thoughts.
Against China a couple of SSBN's with 12 SLBM load firing K5 missiles 5000 km range would be enough as minimum credible nuclear deterrent. If K5 is mirv armed all the better.Our subs can stay submerged in the Bay of Bengal inside our territorial waters and cover the whole of China.

The most tricky question after deterring China is
Do we need a deterrent against the US also
A >10,000km ICBM programme would be seen as provocative and invite Washington 's ire. India is presently not in a position to antagonise the US.

But a SSBN force with missiles like K5 and K6 (6000km range) should not be seen as provocative. They will not be able to reach continental US if based in the Indian Ocean waters. And in extreme circumstances they can be moved to the Pacific ocean to become a deterrent to the US if the situation demands.

Is the government thinking along these lines?. Or is the Government planning to develop a true ICBM with over 10,000km range.

Pakistan is a pygmy in front of the US and China and can be easily deterred.

We'll have a global strike capacity. And not just with traditional icbm and slbm but also much faster with hypersonics.

American feelings will be hurt but it can do nothing. We already have 8000km icbm operational . 10000km+ is just a symbolic range nothing more.

 

[Tridev123]

We'll have a global strike capacity. And not just with traditional icbm and slbm but also much faster with hypersonics.

American feelings will be hurt but it can do nothing. We already have 8000km icbm operational . 10000km+ is just a symbolic range nothing more.

We need to cool down. Doing things in haste without factoring in the consequences may not be wise.

The US even now has enormous clout economically. China is a many times bigger economy than us > 10 trillion us dollars but have been hit hard by recent US sanctions.. GDP growth is down by many percentage points. China exports more, has bigger manufacturing base, larger foreign exchange reserves etc but are vulnerable to US sanctions.

One very important Factor we should not forget. The US by virtue of controlling Saudi Arabia and other gulf states can jack up or down the price of crude oil. Indian's Achilles heel is petroleum. We import most of our requirements of crude oil and are very vulnerable to price fluctuations. There are many other risks that the economy can be exposed to but I will not discuss about them.

This does not mean that we lose morale and become depressed. Our weaknesses can be reduced or overcome by planning Well for the future. An example. Brazil reduced crude oil demand by increasing ethanol production and mixing with petrol. Similarly France produces over 70% of its electricity from nuclear power plants and electricity can be used to power cars and other vehicles. So through innovative measures it is possible to be more self dependent. It will require hard work and also time. Oo

India has followed a cautious approach to relations with the major powers and I think this is the way forward at least in the immediate future. When our national security has been threatened we have also hit back. We were threatened by the US during the 1971 war but we went ahead and liberated Bangladesh. Similarly we conducted the Shakthi series of nuclear tests in 1998 disregarding sanctions.

Our time will also come. We need to be careful and not commit avoidable blunders.

China did not achieve its present strength in 1 or two years. Three decades of sustained growth lead to their current strength.

Sometimes it is better to be the tortoise that wins in the end.

That does not mean that we will take challenges to our national security lying down.

 

[NeXoft007]

India isn't investing on a 5 digit range ICBM, but heavy throw weight ICBMs.

 

[Janardan Shukla]

@porky_kicker @NeXoft007 Continue doing the good work. We don't get much info on our strategic programmes especially the nuclear subs part in the mainstream media. Rely on people like you to update us.

Just would like to share some thoughts.
Against China a couple of SSBN's with 12 SLBM load firing K5 missiles 5000 km range would be enough as minimum credible nuclear deterrent. If K5 is mirv armed all the better.Our subs can stay submerged in the Bay of Bengal inside our territorial waters and cover the whole of China.

The most tricky question after deterring China is
Do we need a deterrent against the US also
A >10,000km ICBM programme would be seen as provocative and invite Washington 's ire. India is presently not in a position to antagonise the US.

But a SSBN force with missiles like K5 and K6 (6000km range) should not be seen as provocative. They will not be able to reach continental US if based in the Indian Ocean waters. And in extreme circumstances they can be moved to the Pacific ocean to become a deterrent to the US if the situation demands.

Is the government thinking along these lines?. Or is the Government planning to develop a true ICBM with over 10,000km range.

Pakistan is a pygmy in front of the US and China and can be easily deterred.

The range of Agni 5 can be increased to 10k kilometres if the need arises.

 

[Tridev123]

India isn't investing on a 5 digit range ICBM, but heavy throw weight ICBMs.

Please explain further. Answer is vague for me. Can you be more specific. Good news should be shared widely.

 

[Tridev123]

The range of Agni 5 can be increased to 10k kilometres if the need arises.

Can it reach mainland America. Can you share your scientific calculation. Data like max thrust of Agni 5 rocket motors, are they available. For ICBM to be accurate gimballed gyroscopes are necessary. Do we have gimballed sensors technology.. Otherwise trajectory deviation will be too much.

 

[IndianHawk]

We need to cool down. Doing things in haste without factoring in the consequences may not be wise.

The US even now has enormous clout economically. China is a many times bigger economy than us > 10 trillion us dollars but have been hit hard by recent US sanctions.. GDP growth is down by many percentage points. China exports more, has bigger manufacturing base, larger foreign exchange reserves etc but are vulnerable to US sanctions.

One very important Factor we should not forget. The US by virtue of controlling Saudi Arabia and other gulf states can jack up or down the price of crude oil. Indian's Achilles heel is petroleum. We import most of our requirements of crude oil and are very vulnerable to price fluctuations. There are many other risks that the economy can be exposed to but I will not discuss about them.

This does not mean that we lose morale and become depressed. Our weaknesses can be reduced or overcome by planning Well for the future. An example. Brazil reduced crude oil demand by increasing ethanol production and mixing with petrol. Similarly France produces over 70% of its electricity from nuclear power plants and electricity can be used to power cars and other vehicles. So through innovative measures it is possible to be more self dependent. It will require hard work and also time. Oo

India has followed a cautious approach to relations with the major powers and I think this is the way forward at least in the immediate future. When our national security has been threatened we have also hit back. We were threatened by the US during the 1971 war but we went ahead and liberated Bangladesh. Similarly we conducted the Shakthi series of nuclear tests in 1998 disregarding sanctions.

Our time will also come. We need to be careful and not commit avoidable blunders.

China did not achieve its present strength in 1 or two years. Three decades of sustained growth lead to their current strength.

Sometimes it is better to be the tortoise that wins in the end.

That does not mean that we will take challenges to our national security lying down.

China had 12000 km ICBM since 1980s. When Chinese economy was even poorer than India ( barely 200 billion USD in size or even lower).

And USA was relatively much much stronger . Yet what did USA could do against chinese fielding full fledged ICBM??

Answer this first then re evaluate your argument !

 

[Deathstar]

China had 12000 km ICBM since 1980s. When Chinese economy was even poorer than India ( barely 200 billion USD in size or even lower).

And USA was relatively much much stronger . Yet what did USA could do against chinese fielding full fledged ICBM??

Answer this first then re evaluate your argument !

What if we already have that capability but we are just understating range , i feel we do have

 

[IndianHawk]

What if we already have that capability but we are just understating range , i feel we do have

We have gslv MK3 so ofcourse we have capabilities to strike anywhere on earth. But what we need is to operationalize a proper ICBM and keep it ready to strike.

The issue I think is that we have no enmity beyond chi-pak so we don't want to invest money on operationalization of 10k + missile. We might end up with 10k+ slbm for our nuke submarine.

With Modi at helm things might change. Just like ASAT a full fledged ICBM test could also happen surprisingly.

 

[Tridev123]

China had 12000 km ICBM since 1980s. When Chinese economy was even poorer than India ( barely 200 billion USD in size or even lower).

And USA was relatively much much stronger . Yet what did USA could do against chinese fielding full fledged ICBM??

Answer this first then re evaluate your argument !

Yes, you are right. But you should remember that the Chinese are very clever. They opened up their economy to Western Read US multinationals. The US was seduced by promising their MNC's great profits. So the US was to a large extent held hostage by their business interests.

And you forget that China was an open nuclear power for decades with even a thermonuclear capability - hydrogen bomb. The US generals are shit scared of nuclear weapons.

And during most of the decades of plus 10%economic growth the Cold War was present with the Soviet Union existing. The US wanted to use China as a counter to the Soviet Union.

We can also play this game and use America's dependence on us to checkmate China. But as I said play the game as a good chess player. I know we have the capability to build an ICBM very quickly. We had it since we built the PSLV. Only area we lacked was in long range guidance technology. There is a difference in IRBM and ICBM guidance technology.

By openly stating that we consider the US as a threat and building an 10,000 km plus ICBM, what will happen. Please outline the consequences and how you will deal with them. Trust our government. They are probably waiting for the right time.

Of course if the US manages to make us into a chamcha or a mistress, God help us. We need to maintain our independent foreign policy and strategic autonomy.

 

[Tridev123]

We have gslv MK3 so ofcourse we have capabilities to strike anywhere on earth. But what we need is to operationalize a proper ICBM and keep it ready to strike.

The issue I think is that we have no enmity beyond chi-pak so we don't want to invest money on operationalization of 10k + missile. We might end up with 10k+ slbm for our nuke submarine.

With Modi at helm things might change. Just like ASAT a full fledged ICBM test could also happen surprisingly.

We can build an pucca ICBM but camouflage it. Agni 6 can have a publicly stated range of 6000km and payload of 3 or 4 tonnes. The 3/4 tonnes payload is for multiple independently target able re entry vehicles for use against China, possibly 10 warheads. This will be our public press release.

Of course, reduce the warhead/payload capacity to 1 tonne and then automatically the range would increase significantly. Exactly how much can be calculated by the missile designers. I am assuming it will reach ICBM ranges beyond 10,000km.

The only major work to be done is the guidance system which we must be ready with.

Questions like will an ICBM have larger re entry velocity compared to an IRBM and necessitate an redesigned nose cone wiil be tackled by the missile designers.

So the IRBM Agni 6 can be modified into an ICBM pretty quickly.

 

[aarav]

Yes, you are right. But you should remember that the Chinese are very clever. They opened up their economy to Western Read US multinationals. The US was seduced by promising their MNC's great profits. So the US was to a large extent held hostage by their business interests.

And you forget that China was an open nuclear power for decades with even a thermonuclear capability - hydrogen bomb. The US generals are shit scared of nuclear weapons.

And during most of the decades of plus 10%economic growth the Cold War was present with the Soviet Union existing. The US wanted to use China as a counter to the Soviet Union.

We can also play this game and use America's dependence on us to checkmate China. But as I said play the game as a good chess player. I know we have the capability to build an ICBM very quickly. We had it since we built the PSLV. Only area we lacked was in long range guidance technology. There is a difference in IRBM and ICBM guidance technology.

By openly stating that we consider the US as a threat and building an 10,000 km plus ICBM, what will happen. Please outline the consequences and how you will deal with them. Trust our government. They are probably waiting for the right time.

Of course if the US manages to make us into a chamcha or a mistress, God help us. We need to maintain our independent foreign policy and strategic autonomy.

I second your thought only China and Pakistan are our enemies,America with all its history of supporting pakistan in military aid is amending since obama era first it stopped the promised 8 f16s and then the Cobra attack helicopters and financial aid has been stopped since trump era ,we should built on it just remember if america puts up sanctions on pakistan if anything close to as iran has or as long as North Korea had then the its dissolution will happen in hyper pace ,it should be one of our long term goals "sanctions by USA & EU" & that can't happen if we dangle nuclear tipped ICBMs on US & EU

 

[porky_kicker]

Interior of MRSAM C&C. It is a containerised road mobile system . When the picture was taken the furnishings were not yet completely installed.

 

[IndianHawk]

Yes, you are right. But you should remember that the Chinese are very clever. They opened up their economy to Western Read US multinationals. The US was seduced by promising their MNC's great profits. So the US was to a large extent held hostage by their business interests.

And you forget that China was an open nuclear power for decades with even a thermonuclear capability - hydrogen bomb. The US generals are shit scared of nuclear weapons.

And during most of the decades of plus 10%economic growth the Cold War was present with the Soviet Union existing. The US wanted to use China as a counter to the Soviet Union.

We can also play this game and use America's dependence on us to checkmate China. But as I said play the game as a good chess player. I know we have the capability to build an ICBM very quickly. We had it since we built the PSLV. Only area we lacked was in long range guidance technology. There is a difference in IRBM and ICBM guidance technology.

By openly stating that we consider the US as a threat and building an 10,000 km plus ICBM, what will happen. Please outline the consequences and how you will deal with them. Trust our government. They are probably waiting for the right time.

Of course if the US manages to make us into a chamcha or a mistress, God help us. We need to maintain our independent foreign policy and strategic autonomy.

India also has huge market for USA multinational .
We also had nuclear weapons since 1974.
Again no difference. Our not having icbm has more to do with internal decisions rather than external pressure.

 

[IndianHawk]

We can build an pucca ICBM but camouflage it. Agni 6 can have a publicly stated range of 6000km and payload of 3 or 4 tonnes. The 3/4 tonnes payload is for multiple independently target able re entry vehicles for use against China, possibly 10 warheads. This will be our public press release.

Of course, reduce the warhead/payload capacity to 1 tonne and then automatically the range would increase significantly. Exactly how much can be calculated by the missile designers. I am assuming it will reach ICBM ranges beyond 10,000km.

The only major work to be done is the guidance system which we must be ready with.

Questions like will an ICBM have larger re entry velocity compared to an IRBM and necessitate an redesigned nose cone wiil be tackled by the missile designers.

So the IRBM Agni 6 can be modified into an ICBM pretty quickly.

We don't need to hide it. If we establish global strike capabilities than we will declare so . That is the meaning of full deterrence.