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porky_kicker

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It seems that the 3 round launcher container goes into the silo structure integrated with the sub hull.

And that makes me rather curious as to why the same 3 round launcher container is not available in a land based version.

Or is it available

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HariPrasad-1

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That's true. Infact report was out that we were able to levitate a 6kg test subject to a height of 1 meter or so. But then nothing else came out. Most probably the project went into back burner.
I had read somewhere about five years ago that some very important experiment have been conducted in Himalaya and we would know about that shortly. Nothing has been heard since then.
 

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Lets have a look at India's AShM capability. This include both CM as well as BM.

1- BRAHMOS
2- Exocet
3- Harpoon
4- Klub
5- Switch blade
6- Sea Eagle (in reserve)
7- P-20 (in reserve)

Along with these CM, we have Ship launched Dhanush which could be used as an AntiAC missile.

Upcoming missiles are Nirbhay and Rudra.

Now the real and present threat is submarine force of PLAN. As of now, the CBG doesn't pose a threat to India. So our thrust is at ASW warfare. The present arsenal of AShM is good enough for any over water threat.
A detailed and informative post. While I agree with you on most of the points, I would like to expand the discussion. The Chinese sub surface threat namely subs both conventional and nuclear is a real one with their subs making port visits to Gwader, Karachi, Sri Lankan ports and African ports etc regularly. They can threaten our maritime trade especially the supply of petroleum just as we can threaten their merchant ships.

But let us consider some relevant facts. The missile carrying capacity of submarines is limited compared to surface ships. As far as carriers of nuclear weapons goes even one Mirv SLBM is too much and 200 kt warheads can cause havoc. But in a conventional war without resort to nuclear weapons the fire power that submarines can deliver is limited as vis-a-vis surface ships. Modern destroyers and cruisers with displacement exceeding 8000 tonn can carry even 100 cell VLS. Contrast this to the conventional missiles count of submarines.

Initial war between India and China would be non nuclear and probably be a land war across the Himalayas. This war could extend to the air and also the sea as it drags on. In a sea war submarines will have a vital role to play as silent assassins but their role in launching mass attacks on enemy territory is limited. A destroyer with 50 land attack cruise missiles can cause large damage. So neutralising lethal surface ships is important in a conventional war. The submarine threat can be more effectively countered by having our own submarines on patrol in sufficient numbers. Nobody is underestimating the threat posed by the PLAN submarines. I am only stating that the surface fleet of the PLAN poses an equal threat to our iinterests.

We presently have a mix of Eastern and Western anti ship missiles. Missiles like... the Exocet are battle proven. Remember the Soviet Styx anti ship missiles used effectively to pound Karachi in the 1971 war. Other Russian missiles also enjoy a good reputation. But what should be the ideal solution. Do we always want to depend on imported weapons.and take pride in owning them. The Harpoon anti ship missile comes with a dangerous reputation and when the Pakistanis had them we took the threat very seriously. But 10 or 20 years from now do we still want mainly imported weapons to equip our forces.There is always a possibility that imported weapons can come with a kill switch or their technology can be leaked to our opponents.

The ultimate aim of every major power is to produce indigenous weapons as you cannot depend 100% on outside suppliers in times of war.

China is doing precisely that. They are trying to base their defence on indigenous weapons. India should emulate them.

Regarding our inventory of anti ship missiles only the Brahmos has a significant Indian content. The other missiles are outright imports. Do you want to depend on them in case of war. Of course one important point has to be highlighted. The relationship between India and Russia is unique and each pose no threat to the other. Russian weapons ensured our freedom to a large extent.

But I am sure most Indians would want indigenous weapons to replace imported weapons in the long run. This is where the importance of indigenous anti ship missiles lies. An fully indigenous sub sonic anti ship missile will give us greater confidence in defending ourselves. If we manage to make even supersonic anti ship missiles indigenously, very good for us.
 

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Agreed. The tail fin arrangement looks rather unique. Also the fin at the fore.

How is this powered ? glide ? rocket ? turbofan/jet ?

The sheer number of PGMs being made in the recent years is mind boggling.
Looks like a glide bomb. Width to length ratio seems greater.
 

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Guys a retired airforce officer was making some kind of stealth missile or munition. Any updates on that.
There were some news of some private companies making low tech cruise missile like Babur of Pakistan and some second generation anti tank missiles like Milan. There is no news since then. India was making multi target missile as well. The news were there in 2013. A mother missile will release many small bombs like glide bombs on target to hit target with 10 small bombs rather than a big one. There is no news of that since then.
 

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Astra also has tail chase mode with 20 km + range. Wouldn't this mode require high g manuevering as you pointed out? How does tail chase mode work for a bvr and how different it is from CCM?
Idea is mode of engagement.

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Just have a look at Head On engagement and Tail chase engagement scenario in case of a BVRAAM. Here even in tail chase mode, you are not firing the missile in directly at the target, but its the INS which comes into play. You are firing the missile at the position probably where the target would be at at the given time. So in case of BVRAAM its a game of probability which comes into play while firing, both in head on as well as tail chase scenario. That's the reason why BVRAAM does have INS. Its onboard seeker works only when it reaches the position.

But in case of a CCM or WVRAAM, its the seeker of the missile which engages the target even before it is released. It starts chasing the target actively the moment it is released unlike a BVRAAM.
 

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