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[Smoothbore125mm]

The lessons of Ukraine war, Gaza war, and Houthis drone war is that we must order :

1. Long range strike drones.
2. Guided Pinaka
3. Prahar and Pralay
4. Cheap long range recce drones like Orlan 30
5. Huge number of Indigenous PGMs &
6. Long Range artillery, ATAGS

But focus of import lobby:-

a. Imported submarines
b. More Rafales
C. Transport aircraft
d. Imported Artillery
E. Costly Predators, Israeli UAVs
f. Stryker AFVs
g. South Korean light tanks in garb of JV

etc

i think prahaar can be done with when we introduce 150km and 300km range guided rockets i think but we should develop a 300km range version of either the pralay or prahaar for export purposes
and we need 155mm pgm i think we still import those for m777

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

FF soon

 

[stat231]

wa

FF soon

wait a min , this is CATS - warrior right? The intake looks different?

 

[DumbPilot]

We need a 5th Gen FA since we're not sure how the Rafales would fare against the J-20. F-35s are not on the menu not only for the strings attached but also due to the fact that it's still WiP.

Our armed forces have burnt their fingers many a times with this approach - the latest being the MKIs & the MiG-29K.

One can make the argument about the Su-57 not being capable of going up against the J-20s too, but it's a generation ahead of the Rafale .

The IAF must extensively evaluate it before any decision is taken.

Past trends have shown that the Russians don't possess the quality of electronics and manufacturing available with the West. I highly doubt that the Su-57 is superior to the Rafale in terms of electronics, and network centric warfare

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

wa

wait a min , this is CATS - warrior right? The intake looks different?

One of the first iterations during def expo so old

 

[Azaad]

Past trends have shown that the Russians don't possess the quality of electronics and manufacturing available with the West. I highly doubt that the Su-57 is superior to the Rafale in terms of electronics, and network centric warfare

Yes , unfortunately you're right

 

[AnantS]

Yes , unfortunately you're right

Dont discount Russian ingenuity. Their EW ECCM rapidly upgraded and shown its prowess in ongoing conflict.

 

[Chinmoy]

They're helmets are the best right now. Even stops ak rounds. Everything is slow unless they don't give commission they won't order it.

The Indian Army ordered 158,000 ballistic helmets from MKU Limited in 2018, the largest order in 2 decades for India which was delivered around 2020.

https://www.defencexp.com/will-indi...dered 158,000,which was delivered around 2020.

I wonder how much commission MKU paid for this.

 

[Satish Sharma]

https://www.defencexp.com/will-indian-army-finally-get-rifle-protection-helmets/#:~:text=The Indian Army ordered 158,000,which was delivered around 2020.

I wonder how much commission MKU paid for this.

Brozzer tbh. Adat si ho gyi hai. Chijhe by default dekhni ki adat hai mujhe when it comes to IA

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

 

[Chinmoy]

Brozzer tbh. Adat si ho gyi hai. Chijhe by default dekhni ki adat hai mujhe when it comes to IA

Till the moment you would keep the notion that it is duty of forces to support local industries, you would always be in dark.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Till the moment you would keep the notion that it is duty of forces to support local industries, you would always be in dark.

Some day when on battlefield forces will suffer for logistics then they will realise whose responsibility is to support indigenisation.

 

[Chinmoy]

Some day when on battlefield forces will suffer for logistics then they will realise whose responsibility is to support indigenisation.

Again you are going on the wrong track like many here.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Till the moment you would keep the notion that it is duty of forces to support local industries, you would always be in dark.

This is the German mindset of 1930s, that led to desire of wonderwaffe while ignoring logistical realities

 

[Arihant Roy]

Have some great news fellas.

-REMOVED-

Check the DOP of this 125 mm APFSDS. A whopping 550 mm.

This tender was released in 2018. Must be for a small batch of the new 125 mm round for test and trial purposes.

This was released very recently.

Note the End use. IMI 125 mm APFSDS / DoP 550..

The one released in 2018 was v1. Then many revisions have taken place depending on test results. This is the 3rd such revision.

Now, based upon these tenders, two things are likely. Firstly, we have purchased a few thousand of this Israeli APFSDS and have received ToT for producing the rest here at HAPP. ARDE has been roped in to increase the percentage of indigenisation and hence the obturator. Secondly, we have purchased a few thousand rounds from IMI under emergency p clause. Now, we are reverse engineering the same through DRDO ADRE.


Here is the specs of the 3BM42 Mango now being made by HAPP under ToT from Russia.

The penetration figures are 460 mm at 2000 m at 0 deg or 230 mm at 60 d for a 260 BHN RHA steel

The 3BM44M Lekalo has a penetration 270mm @ 2000m at 60° against standard 260BHN Steel Target. Or 540 mm at 0 deg. This makes the ARDE/IMI round superior to Lekalo.


ARDE's inhouse 125 FSAPDS is this.

It has a penetration of 500 mm at 2000 m for 0 deg.


The implications of the new in dev 125 mm round with 550 DOP is that the aan ban Shan of Paki armoured corps, ie Al Haider is toast. Its max LOS based armour thickness doesn't exceed 550 mm at any place in the frontal turret including gun turret. This figure doesn't include FY4 ERA. It's performance level is similar to K5

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

Have some great news fellas.

View attachment 258668

Check the DOP of this 125 mm APFSDS. A whopping 550 mm.

This tender was released in 2018. Must be for a small batch of the new 125 mm round for test and trial purposes.

View attachment 258669

This was released very recently.

Note the End use. IMI 125 mm APFSDS / DoP 550..

The one released in 2018 was v1. Then many revisions have taken place depending on test results. This is the 3rd such revision.

Now, based upon these tenders, two things are likely. Firstly, we have purchased a few thousand of this Israeli APFSDS and have received ToT for producing the rest here at HAPP. ARDE has been roped in to increase the percentage of indigenisation and hence the obturator. Secondly, we have purchased a few thousand rounds from IMI under emergency p clause. Now, we are reverse engineering the same through DRDO ADRE.


Here is the specs of the 3BM42 Mango now being made by HAPP under ToT from Russia.

View attachment 258671

The penetration figures are 460 mm at 2000 m at 0 deg or 230 mm at 60 d for a 260 BHN RHA steel

The 3BM44M Lekalo has a penetration 270mm @ 2000m at 60° against standard 260BHN Steel Target. Or 540 mm at 0 deg. This makes the ARDE/IMI round superior to Lekalo.


ARDE's inhouse 125 FSAPDS is this.

View attachment 258673

It has a penetration of 500 mm at 2000 m for 0 deg.


The implications of the new in dev 125 mm round with 550 DOP is that the aan ban Shan of Paki armoured corps, ie Al Haider is toast. Its max LOS based armour thickness doesn't exceed 550 mm at any place in the frontal turret including gun turret. This figure doesn't include FY4 ERA. It's performance level is similar to K5

very nice info thanks for sharing al haider is aready a toast tank and t80 is also isnt any wonder weapon btw whats the armour figure of arjun mk1a frontally ?

 

[Chinmoy]

very nice info thanks for sharing al haider is aready a toast tank and t80 is also isnt any wonder weapon btw whats the armour figure of arjun mk1a frontally ?

As per open source...

>650mm.

But no where you would find any official source for that.

 

[ezsasa]

Have some great news fellas.

View attachment 258668

Check the DOP of this 125 mm APFSDS. A whopping 550 mm.

This tender was released in 2018. Must be for a small batch of the new 125 mm round for test and trial purposes.

View attachment 258669

This was released very recently.

Note the End use. IMI 125 mm APFSDS / DoP 550..

The one released in 2018 was v1. Then many revisions have taken place depending on test results. This is the 3rd such revision.

Now, based upon these tenders, two things are likely. Firstly, we have purchased a few thousand of this Israeli APFSDS and have received ToT for producing the rest here at HAPP. ARDE has been roped in to increase the percentage of indigenisation and hence the obturator. Secondly, we have purchased a few thousand rounds from IMI under emergency p clause. Now, we are reverse engineering the same through DRDO ADRE.


Here is the specs of the 3BM42 Mango now being made by HAPP under ToT from Russia.

View attachment 258671

The penetration figures are 460 mm at 2000 m at 0 deg or 230 mm at 60 d for a 260 BHN RHA steel

The 3BM44M Lekalo has a penetration 270mm @ 2000m at 60° against standard 260BHN Steel Target. Or 540 mm at 0 deg. This makes the ARDE/IMI round superior to Lekalo.


ARDE's inhouse 125 FSAPDS is this.

View attachment 258673

It has a penetration of 500 mm at 2000 m for 0 deg.


The implications of the new in dev 125 mm round with 550 DOP is that the aan ban Shan of Paki armoured corps, ie Al Haider is toast. Its max LOS based armour thickness doesn't exceed 550 mm at any place in the frontal turret including gun turret. This figure doesn't include FY4 ERA. It's performance level is similar to K5

it says, not to be reproduced in any form.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

As per open source...

>650mm.

But no where you would find any official source for that.

interesting ive heard some not so good things bout the arjun mk1 but it makes sense that its an older design too

 

[Chinmoy]

interesting ive heard some not so good things bout the arjun mk1 but it makes sense that its an older design too

Its not the best, but definitely not as worst as media makes it to be.