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Army finalises ammunition requirement for 10 years, banks on indigenous manufacturing
The aim is to build up ammunition stocks to desired levels, minimise imports, and achieve self-sufficiency in the country, said sources
November 26, 2023



Against the backdrop of the Ladakh stand-off and the war in Ukraine, a clear road map is in place for ammunition procurement and the long-term requirement for 10 years has been finalised, defence sources said on the efforts to secure supply chains and avoid any impact on operational preparedness.


Already, about 85% of the ammunition requirement has been indigenised, from both the public and private sectors, sources said.

‘In-house development’
“The aim is to build up ammunition stocks to desired levels, minimise imports and achieve self-sufficiency in the country, have multiple sources of supply, and possess indigenous manufacturing capability,” a defence source in the know said. “First step is to indigenise all import-dependent ammunition — major platforms with long-term requirement.”

As part of this, indigenisation of more than 30 variants, amounting to about ₹16,000 crores, is under way and five or six variants of ammunition have been identified for production through the Indian industry, which will expand the indigenous vendor base, the source said. “Subsequently, next-generation high-tech ammunition based on research and development is being identified for in-house development.”

On the broad break-up of ammunition procurement between domestic production and imports, sources said that about 85% of the ammunition has been indigenised, with a bulk of it being met by the Defence Public Sector Undertakings and the rest by the Indian industry. Less than 10% is met purely through direct imports and there is also some amount of legacy platforms in small numbers that are in the process of being phased out, a second source said.

The armed forces had undertaken major procurement and stocking of spares and ammunition under the three rounds of emergency financial powers granted by the Defence Ministry — the first time after the 2016 Uri terror attack in 2016, followed by the 2019 Balakot air strikes, and the 2020 stand-off with China in eastern Ladakh. The fourth round of emergency procurement was completed recently. This has ensured enough stocks of critical ammunition and helped offset delays to some extent in deliveries of spares, components and ammunition since the war in Ukraine broke out in February 2022, as reported by The Hindu earlier.

For the Army, most of its armoured fleet is of Russian-origin and the air defence has several legacy systems. About 10 to 12 ammunition categories in over 30 variants are being indigenised on priority, with a particular emphasis on air defence, mechanised infantry, armoured and artillery, the first source stated, adding that these cases were currently undergoing field trials. While earlier efforts to open up ammunition manufacturing to the private sector had not made progress, several Indian private companies are now in the race to manufacture ammunition in the country.

Ammunition stocking is generally done in terms of requirements for intense wars and normal wars and broadly factors in 30 days of intense fighting and 30 days of normal fighting.

 

[NutCracker]

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It's been discussed to the death that We need heavy press for churning out lighter bulkheads and other componenets.
30-40k Tonne press costs 150-200M$ . Considering the exponential growth in our defence and aerospace investment, I hope govt invests into till Tejas MK2 reaches to mass production stage. Same press can be utilised further for TEDBF AND AMCA.

 

[SavageKing456]

It's been discussed to the death that We need heavy press for churning out lighter bulkheads and other componenets.
30-40k Tonne press costs 150-200M$ . Considering the exponential growth in our defence and aerospace investment, I hope govt invests into till Tejas MK2 reaches to mass production stage. Same press can be utilised further for TEDBF AND AMCA.

A guy in the comments says even 3d printing is sufficient

 

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[NutCracker]

A guy in the comments says even 3d printing is sufficient

I don't know if we can achieve same strength and density with 3D printing.

Also Every 100s of kg saved is a more fuel or pounding . I hope HAL gets support by GOI and conduct a cost to benefit analysis of all technologies available.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Heavy Press is low tech but high investment project. Govt needs to step in

 

[raju1982]

Heavy Press is low tech but high investment project. Govt needs to step in

Exactly. saw one years back in a heavy manf industry. MoD is late but start developing now.

 

[Azaad]

Ammunition stocking is generally done in terms of requirements for intense wars and normal wars and broadly factors in 30 days of intense fighting and 30 days of normal fighting.

I guess for the IA & MoD , what happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine.

 

[Azaad]

It's been discussed to the death that We need heavy press for churning out lighter bulkheads and other componenets.
30-40k Tonne press costs 150-200M$ . Considering the exponential growth in our defence and aerospace investment, I hope govt invests into till Tejas MK2 reaches to mass production stage. Same press can be utilised further for TEDBF AND AMCA.

For the time being considering we're going in for prototypes surely those components can be fabricated abroad where such facilities are available thru vendors preferably in Europe though Russia has 1 or 2 of these very heavy presses.

There was an elaborate thread on this very topic by either Nilesh Rane or Indranil Roy or one of the many contributors who flock to their threads some time back. I can't seem to locate it though.

 

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[NutCracker]

BC that's just 70K $ ..
even if it's some technically very miniscule basic integration, American MIC would n't want world to know about this deal ..

Maybe bidders want experience rather than money , so they are taking up some losses in this deal.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

BC that's just 70K $ ..
even if it's some technically correct very miniscule basic integration, American MIC would n't want world to know about this deal ..

Maybe bidders want experience rather than money , so they are taking up some losses in this deal.

Yepp and I am just happy it's happening should have happened by now but whatever better late than sorry

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

BC that's just 70K $ ..
even if it's some technically very miniscule basic integration, American MIC would n't want world to know about this deal ..

Maybe bidders want experience rather than money , so they are taking up some losses in this deal.

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

Damn. Some of our Defense company names are in satire level.

Home - Big Bang Boom Solutions

Parachute technologies, Acoustic India

At least they are building up something indigenously.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Damn. Some of our Defense company names are in satire level.

Home - Big Bang Boom Solutions

Parachute technologies, Acoustic India

At least they are building up something indigenously.

Big bang boom is doing great but yeah names are kinda hilarious

 

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