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[standard snowball]

SPYDER also use VLS like CAMM. Spyder systems uses multiple missiles. Spyder, nasmas, caam etc comes under same category, aams converted into or developed inti sams, like astra vl aka vl sr sam, like sea sparrow missile

both are around 50km range. reaction time unknown, purpose same, lies in between sr sam and lr sam

NASMAS is similar to Spyder without python & CAMM er. Chu SAM is similar to barak lr, NASAMS 2 with range around 50km, active RF seeker, VLS and comparable to akash ng

You are comparing these missiles on the basis of technology, I am comparing on the basis of use cases.
No point arguing.

Akash NG's launcher is slanted and can be used in a similar fashion to QRSAM, where as Chu SAM uses a VLS which would need to erected thus using up crucial time.
Chu SAM is best suited for defending military bases where it is already in erected position.
If you want to compare it do so with Barak 8 or Spyder MR.

 

[Fatalis]

Over 2 dozen Rafales for navy, submarines and aircraft engine top PM Modi's list for France tour

Indian Navy has shortlisted Rafale-M fighter jets for its aircraft carrier operations as against American F/A 18 Super Hornets. French want India to purchase 3 Scorpene submarines.

theprint.in

However, no contract will be signed because the deal will then go through a cycle of cost negotiations, like the time when Rafale was bought, and a final deal would be inked only after the next general elections slated for early next year.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Foxconn withdraws from $19.5 billion Vedanta chip plan in India - Times of India

India Business News: Foxconn on Monday said it has decided to pull out of semiconductor joint venture with Indian conglomerate Vedanta, according to a statement. Foxconn s

m.timesofindia.com

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

How to draft a RFI : A masterclass

Following are the weights of all the currently active gun - missiles ADS.
Pantsir S1M - 42.3t, Biho - 26.5t, Gepard - 47.5t, Marksman - 41t, Type 87 - 38t, Type 97 - 22.5t, PGZ 09 - 35t, SkyRanger 30 (Boxer) - 27t, Type 625E - 25t.

Min value : 22.5t, Max value : 47.5t, Mean : 33.8t, Median : 35t

And this is what they want...
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PS : An unarmed Kalyani M4 weighs 16t
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BMP weighs 12 toms, this is not a bad RFI wrt weight or detection.

Its a terrible RFI wrt to actual anti air stuff.

 

[Lonewarrior]

BMP weighs 12 toms, this is not a bad RFI wrt weight or detection.

Its a terrible RFI wrt to actual anti air stuff.

So what should we do, a 12t BMP for the crew and the radar-missile-guns on a Mahindra pick-up!?

 

[johnj]

You are comparing these missiles on the basis of technology, I am comparing on the basis of use cases.
No point arguing.

Akash NG's launcher is slanted and can be used in a similar fashion to QRSAM, where as Chu SAM uses a VLS which would need to erected thus using up crucial time.
Chu SAM is best suited for defending military bases where it is already in erected position.
If you want to compare it do so with Barak 8 or Spyder MR.

Doesn't matter becz Akash NG for IAF, means it purpose exactly same of Chu SAM,
It doesn't matter if the launcher is slanted or vertical, important is launcher can fire in move or not.
Also Chu SAM don't take crucial time in setting up becz it uses long range improved sensor and networking features and reduce the chances of friendly fire

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

So what should we do, a 12t BMP for the crew and the radar-missile-guns on a Mahindra pick-up!?

Nah lmao
Just pointing out that the fact that M4 is rather bulky does not mean good vehicle cant have lower weight than 16 tons.

radar+apu+guns+missiles dont need 4000 kgs. Especially this is a shorad system.

 

[shade]

That was way too quick. Why discriminate against IAF like it's the adopted child? At least allow them to order 36 more.

IAF is the brat who throws tantrums when you don't give him his imported treats
Navy is the good boy with some deficiencies

 

[shade]

Foxconn withdraws from $19.5 billion Vedanta chip plan in India - Times of India

India Business News: Foxconn on Monday said it has decided to pull out of semiconductor joint venture with Indian conglomerate Vedanta, according to a statement. Foxconn s

m.timesofindia.com

This is all over the economy thread, and I doubt anyone on the forum took this JV and UK citizen Anil Aggarwal seriously except that boomer unkil Hari Sud.

 

[SKC]

This is all over the economy thread, and I doubt anyone on the forum took this JV and UK citizen Anil Aggarwal seriously except that boomer unkil Hari Sud.

We all knew this was never happening!

 

[jai jaganath]

That was way too quick. Why discriminate against IAF like it's the adopted child? At least allow them to order 36 more.

Well it all comes to services afterall
Are they ready to accept 36 more Rafales or they want to go with mrfa
Infact IN has always been clear with their requirements, yeah some exceptions exists but still it's no way closer to iaf in terms of procurement

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

That was way too quick. Why discriminate against IAF like it's the adopted child? At least allow them to order 36 more.

For that to happen IAF needs to give up on its MRFA dream which is not going to happen, we all know that.

 

[slayingheaven]

If Indian government has some sense,it would establish private ventures for aerospace sector and establish branches in UK with 100% ownership and rope in some capable people or form joint ventures with British defense companies in India or buy stakes in British Companies themselves. Not to build entire Planes, but at least R&D of individual sub-components, they have a lot of talent and experience. Previously with American defense companies screwing local UK contractors and now Brexit damaging their economy at some scale they seem to sell whatever they have for some bucks. The Turkish defense Industry grew leaps ahead with the help of all the BAE engineers help. That Erdogan guy looks like a fundamental religious nutjob but he had technical knowledge of weapons. I somewhere read that guy even talked about range of cruise missiles or some shit. I don't know whether own kadi ninda guy even knows shit. First the SOVIETs with erstwhile UK willingly gave engine secrets fearing the dominance of muricans. Next is MURICAN's defense companies helping Chinese before they became enemies. Again the british helping turkey. We missed a golden chance in 2016-2023 even now. Another thing is diaspora's absence in Core Engineering Firms. Only being IT coolies.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I somewhere read that guy even talked about range of cruise missiles or some shit.

He's a noob, he just tries to copy our Mudi Ji...

Spoiler

Now on a serious note, whatever rant you typed I only have one word for that; LOL

See, how we guys here on DFI think vs how exactly things happen in real world is completely different.

When Embraer was at their bottom then we could have bought the whole company for as little as 4 billion USD. Why little, because for just a handful of C295 we're paying almost 3 billion USD. Just imagine overnight we would have become the third largest aerospace company after Boeing and Airbus. Not to mention all the military IPRs and decades of research. But did we do that? No. So stop wasting your time in all these wishful thinking, nothing gonna happen. We're still doomed to remain behind the curve for some more decades.

 

[slayingheaven]

He's a noob, he just tries to copy our Mudi Ji...

Spoiler

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Now on a serious note, whatever rant you typed I only have one word for that; LOL

See, how we guys here on DFI think vs how exactly things happen in real world is completely different.

When Embraer was at their bottom then we could have bought the whole company for as little as 4 billion USD. Why little, because for just a handful of C295 we're paying almost 3 billion USD. Just imagine overnight we would have become the third largest aerospace company after Boeing and Airbus. Not to mention all the military IPRs and decades of research. But did we do that? No. So stop wasting your time in all these wishful thinking, nothing gonna happen. We're still doomed to remain behind the curve for some more decades.

Yeah Its just a wishful thinking. I am imagining shit would have been some what different but we would be perpetually behind a generation backwards in every aspect be it Fighter Jets, SAM, Tanks, APC..

 

[shade]

Yeah Its just a wishful thinking. I am imagining shit would have been some what different but we would be perpetually behind a generation backwards in every aspect be it Fighter Jets, SAM, Tanks, APC..

We have a disease in our procurement process, Turkey doesn't seem to.

Besides they are muh NATO treaty ally n sheeit, we are "Russia's allies" so.

 

[Craigs]

He's a noob, he just tries to copy our Mudi Ji...

Spoiler

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Now on a serious note, whatever rant you typed I only have one word for that; LOL

See, how we guys here on DFI think vs how exactly things happen in real world is completely different.

When Embraer was at their bottom then we could have bought the whole company for as little as 4 billion USD. Why little, because for just a handful of C295 we're paying almost 3 billion USD. Just imagine overnight we would have become the third largest aerospace company after Boeing and Airbus. Not to mention all the military IPRs and decades of research. But did we do that? No. So stop wasting your time in all these wishful thinking, nothing gonna happen. We're still doomed to remain behind the curve for some more decades.

Abe Lodu Embraer has many critical US technology - sale would have been blocked by US since we don't bring anything else to the table.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Abe Lodu Embraer has many critical US technology - sale would have been blocked by US since we don't bring anything else to the table.

OMG! You're here!
First of all I'd like everyone to meet Mr. Craigs, he's part of the Russian Cartel over on Ukraine - Russia thread. Usually you'll find him primarily over there with 3-4 of his buddies (one tell tale sign is the flag) who like to play tag team matches; tag team as in one player would start to argue and when he's out of any argument then other will come join in. Usually he's field of expertise is just "Russia winning", "Ukraine loosing", "Fake/Propaganda/West" not deep technical knowledge. Whenever you'll try to bring those he'll simply label you as "Brochure Warrior". So it's good to see him here.

Anyways as for your specific point Mr. Craigs (and without using what you've used); no. We have been already offered ToT of things way more advanced by US than what we would have gotten in Embraer deal. Example is EMLS.

 

[slayingheaven]

He's a noob, he just tries to copy our Mudi Ji...

Spoiler

View attachment 213839

Now on a serious note, whatever rant you typed I only have one word for that; LOL

See, how we guys here on DFI think vs how exactly things happen in real world is completely different.

When Embraer was at their bottom then we could have bought the whole company for as little as 4 billion USD. Why little, because for just a handful of C295 we're paying almost 3 billion USD. Just imagine overnight we would have become the third largest aerospace company after Boeing and Airbus. Not to mention all the military IPRs and decades of research. But did we do that? No. So stop wasting your time in all these wishful thinking, nothing gonna happen. We're still doomed to remain behind the curve for some more decades.

Why I am saying is that every time the british encountered a setbacks be it industrial or economic or any other decline they seem to sell or atleast transfer some portion IP of their crown jewels to others like Whittle Engines to USA's GE&PW at Climax of WW2 and Impending Nazis. Nene I and likes to Soviet after ending of WW2 &beginning of Cold War when Great Britain was broke and dire need of money. We may had a sliver of chance after Brexit and all the shit.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Why I am saying is that every time the british encountered a setbacks be it industrial or economic or any other decline they seem to sell or atleast transfer some portion IP of their crown jewels to others like Whittle Engines to USA's GE&PW at Climax of WW2 and Impending Nazis. Nene I and likes to Soviet after ending of WW2 &beginning of Cold War when Great Britain was broke and dire need of money. We may had a sliver of chance after Brexit and all the shit.

There are many such instances where we could have done what USA and Russia did after defeating Germany.

We could have bought Denel. Even guys at Denel were begging everyone to buy it. But instead we chose to ignore them. We seriously lack long term vision, especially in R&D and this thing will continue to keep haunting us time and time