DRDO, PSU and Private Defence Sector News

[Prashant12]

@DRDO_India has released some details of the new man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) that is under development. It has a dual-thrust rocket motor which allows it engage targets in top-attack mode up to 2.5 km away. Image and info courtesy: DRDO

 

[porky_kicker]

Project 11184 MRIS vessel

Project 20 MRIS vessel

 

[debspark90]

@DRDO_India has released some details of the new man-portable anti-tank guided missile (MPATGM) that is under development. It has a dual-thrust rocket motor which allows it engage targets in top-attack mode up to 2.5 km away. Image and info courtesy: DRDO

The proposed CLU unit of the MPATGM looks strikingly similar to that of the Javelin's CLU shown below .

 

[Enquirer]

They had received TOT from DRDO on seeker and they improvised it further.in below link listen from 8.00 onwards.

VEM is known to make tall claims for a long time!
They developing a completely new man-potable ATGM all by themselves is laughable!
Most desi license producers of other’s design are very used to claiming design credit for the products they license- build!
Also what is “one fifth” of the seeker - cost, weight, range, size or their share of work??
Only person who speaks responsibly from private industry is Baba Kalyani!

 

[power_monger]

VEM is known to make tall claims for a long time!
They developing a completely new man-potable ATGM all by themselves is laughable!
Most desi license producers of other’s design are very used to claiming design credit for the products they license- build!
Also what is “one fifth” of the seeker - cost, weight, range, size or their share of work??
Only person who speaks responsibly from private industry is Baba Kalyani!

One fifth comment was on size. Even sateesh reddy had in one of his interview talked about local (Hyderabad) manufacturers of seeker. In all probability he was referring to either ecil or vem technology.

 

[power_monger]

Anyways DRDO is slowly covering all products in anti tank guided missile portfolio. A check with spoke missile shows the similarity.

Spike SR (short range till 1.5 km ) - DRDO has no specific product in this range however MPATGM can cover the short range as it's range defers from 200 meters to 2.5 km


Spike MR (Range 2.5 Km ) - DRDO MPATGM

Spike LR ( Range 3 - 8 km ). - NAG missile

Spike ER (Range 7-10 Km ) - Helina missile

Spike NLOS (Range 15-25 km ) - SANT missile .


Since atgm system is a completely independent system this missiles should be clubed and production and marketing should be handled over to a private company.

 

[Enquirer]

Anyways DRDO is slowly covering all products in anti tank guided missile portfolio. A check with spoke missile shows the similarity.

Spike SR (short range till 1.5 km ) - DRDO has no specific product in this range however MPATGM can cover the short range as it's range defers from 200 meters to 2.5 km


Spike MR (Range 2.5 Km ) - DRDO MPATGM

Spike LR ( Range 3 - 8 km ). - NAG missile

Spike ER (Range 7-10 Km ) - Helina missile

Spike NLOS (Range 15-25 km ) - SANT missile .


Since atgm system is a completely independent system this missiles should be clubed and production and marketing should be handled over to a private company.

DRDO will most likely NOT develop the equivalent of Spike SR, as the requirement for this type is mostly in very limited quantities (for Special Forces) & IA is importing the same from Israel.

Sant is NOT the same as Spike NLOS! Spike NLOS has fibre optic guidance that enable it to literally enter a specific window of choice in a distant building!

 

[power_monger]

DRDO will most likely NOT develop the equivalent of Spike SR, as the requirement for this type is mostly in very limited quantities (for Special Forces) & IA is importing the same from Israel.

Sant is NOT the same as Spike NLOS! Spike NLOS has fibre optic guidance that enable it to literally enter a specific window of choice in a distant building!

Fibre optic guidance is available in spike lr also. Most of the mpatgm allows lobl. Only spike missiles allow lock after launch.

Anyways can you tell me how do SANT missile achieve target identification at a range of 20 kms ?

 

[Enquirer]

Fibre optic guidance is available in spike lr also. Most of the mpatgm allows lobl. Only spike missiles allow lock after launch.

Anyways can you tell me how do SANT missile achieve target identification at a range of 20 kms ?

Not a useful discussion to force compare dissimilar missiles.

 

[power_monger]

Not a useful discussion to force compare dissimilar missiles.

Both are long range anti tank guided missiles. Only means for target identification is different .

 

[cyclops]

More MPATGM tests coming this month.

 

[Enquirer]

The proposed CLU unit of the MPATGM looks strikingly similar to that of the Javelin's CLU shown below .View attachment 29259

Sometimes the DRDO's lazy whackjobs have a tendency to just google for images and put in their magazines the first thing they find in their google search.
So, it's quite possible that the actual DRDO's CLU design is quite different; on the other hand they could have copied the Javelin design too.

 

[indiatester]

More MPATGM tests coming this month.
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Why do I get that feeling that its going to be used against stationary targets at LoC more than mobile tank units

 

[Enquirer]

Why do I get that feeling that its going to be used against stationary targets at LoC more than mobile tank units

Very rarely will these is used against stationary targets - primarily because these will be very expensive!
Stationary targets are better handled by unguided rockets/projectiles fired via Carl Gustavs etc.

 

[power_monger]

Very rarely will these is used against stationary targets - primarily because these will be very expensive!
Stationary targets are better handled by unguided rockets/projectiles fired via Carl Gustavs etc.

We have lot of Milan and konkur missiles to handle stationary targets.

 

[indiatester]

Very rarely will these is used against stationary targets - primarily because these will be very expensive!
Stationary targets are better handled by unguided rockets/projectiles fired via Carl Gustavs etc.

This is where Pakis are using ATGM's against us.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kers-on-loc/story-ghPU77RDfqyWQUkcsR9YmN.html

 

[Enquirer]

This is where Pakis are using ATGM's against us.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kers-on-loc/story-ghPU77RDfqyWQUkcsR9YmN.html

I didn't want to argue with power_monger further and gave up....
But the fact of the matter is all ATGMs are not alike, their guidance and other design attributes determine how and how else it will be used.

The older generation ATGMs (like Konkurs & Milan) are wire guided, as such they can be pointed at ANY TARGET - irrespective of heat emanating from it or not. That's why you see ATGMs used against Paki bunkers (and probably likewise in reverse).

But a stationary target by most means is NOT HEAT EMANATING, So, heat seeking (fire-n-forget) missiles like Nag/MPATGM will not be effective at all against them!!!

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

This is where Pakis are using ATGM's against us.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...kers-on-loc/story-ghPU77RDfqyWQUkcsR9YmN.html

There are 3 generations of ATGM. Then there is unguided missile like RPG. NAG/MPATGM is 3rd generation ATGM. Second generation ATGM using laser targeting or wire guidance is enough for these kind of missions. These system is much cheaper and don't require high end sensors and seekers.

 

[power_monger]

I didn't want to argue with power_monger further and gave up....
But the fact of the matter is all ATGMs are not alike, their guidance and other design attributes determine how and how else it will be used.

The older generation ATGMs (like Konkurs & Milan) are wire guided, as such they can be pointed at ANY TARGET - irrespective of heat emanating from it or not. That's why you see ATGMs used against Paki bunkers (and probably likewise in reverse).

But a stationary target by most means is NOT HEAT EMANATING, So, heat seeking (fire-n-forget) missiles like Nag/MPATGM will not be effective at all against them!!!

Dude what did I argue with you.i just talked about usage of Milan and konkurs for stationary objects. Please recheck my post once again.

The advantage of fire and forget atgm is user can fire the missile and move immediately to safer location and second fire and forgot missiles uses top attack mode which hits the target in higher velocity than the wire guided missiles.

Btw in actual war fare wire guided missiles does get fired even against stationary targets.you need to check the warfare of Kurds vs Turks in afrin recently.

PS : we all are here to learn and not score any brownie point in argument. So take it easy.

 

[Enquirer]

Dude what did I argue with you.i just talked about usage of Milan and konkurs for stationary objects. Please recheck my post once again.

The advantage of fire and forget atgm is user can fire the missile and move immediately to safer location and second fire and forgot missiles uses top attack mode which hits the target in higher velocity than the wire guided missiles.

Btw in actual war fare wire guided missiles does get fired even against stationary targets.you need to check the warfare of Kurds vs Turks in afrin recently.

PS : we all are here to learn and not score any brownie point in argument. So take it easy.

No offense taken!
I am/was just not sure what your point is/was.