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[Lonewarrior]

Are you sympathetic to the Western cause? Are you advocating that we should turn the other cheek and bend over in the typical Gandhi fashion?

I was waiting for this

Naah mate; you're right and I'm wrong.
T-14 is the best tank, Su-57 is the best plane, AK-12 is the best rifle.

Peace out

 

[Blademaster]

I was waiting for this

Naah mate; you're right and I'm wrong.
T-14 is the best tank, Su-57 is the best plane, AK-12 is the best rifle.

Peace out

I never said that. Do you see me advocating getting those kind of weapons?I have been advocating getting the Arjun tanks, AMCA planes, and the rifle from SSS. Those are Indian made. But no, apparently to you, this means going the Russian way.

Nice way of subverting my original message into something else that I did not say or intend. And again you are using the same tactics employed by western libtards.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Even better is the Chinese way where on one hand you take no weapon or alliance and on other make US dependent on you.

And still I'm the one who gets branded as a western libtard
Weird world

 

[Blademaster]

And still I'm the one who gets branded as a western libtard
Weird world

I never branded you as a western libtard. All I said is that you are engaging in the same tactic or using the playbook created by the western libtards.

 

[jai jaganath]

They are the equivalent of the F-15Es and who in their right mind give up on these magnificent planes? They form a huge component of combat power of the IAF. We have 274 of these. So why would we give that up and trade it for F-15s that would only bankrupt India further? As for the Krivaks, I am only for it because India purchased 6 of these and all I care about is commonality of the fleet as to avoid different set of spares and achieve economy of scale. What's so hard about that to understand.


When the saga started, I was one of the few in the minority who advocated just drop this whole thing and go for our own indigenous aircraft carrier and build it. It would be ready before Vikramaditya would be ready. I was right.

Ok I call you and raise you this: Nehru

Then bring in the facts pls instead of innuendo.


Who cares? As long as we have a willing buyer. We are independent.


Why not? They have been doing this to the Hindus. Turnabout is fair play.

Are you sympathetic to the Western cause? Are you advocating that we should turn the other cheek and bend over in the typical Gandhi fashion?

Till 2000s mic wasn't able to see daylight was due to Soviet Union

 

[jai jaganath]

You'd rather have us off the "Western teat" and onto the "Russian teat". What use is ideology or religion if you're dying outside, hungry and naked? Isn't that basically how the Soviet Union went extinct too?

Or do you want us to cling onto "religion" and act like a "big country" with a "truly independent foreign policy" like Iran or Turkey whose religion has not been "bastardized" and "westernized"(aside from when it has)?

Religion isn't some book, actual humans practice them too. You want to cling onto a book and reject the human and their needs and welfare?

Once India can actually compare with countries like those, maybe then we can start to think about "getting off the Western teat".

Japan got nuked twice in 1945. South Korea got liberation from Japanese colonialism in 1945. Israeli was formed in 1948. India got independence in 1947.

Ask where we went wrong with our country first, then let's talk about religion and whatnot.
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Socialism

 

[DumbPilot]

Socialism

The license raj system made sure that a lot of problems would pop out in our country, not just economically, but socially too, in working areas, the quality of output, the types of politicians elected with their policies, etc. What we started to gain in 1991, we should have started to gain from 1947.

It's been just 30 years, and we've grown so much and we still have space to grow. But if we do dumb stunts then this will be our fate:

And we don't even have the raw resources to sustain some of the pain.

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Hello peeps, I was travelling and out of luck met a person working in DRDO. Had less time so couldn't interact for long.

• He mentioned that HSTDV that was tested last week was supposed to be tested 2-3 months back but the Chinese vessel was in Indian Ocean and hence it was postponed.
• VSHORADS will be tested shoulder mounted in the coming months.
• Pralay will also be tested in the coming months.
• Money has been allocated for Agni missile test for more range, they might try for 6500 KM or 7000 KM.
• Slots are assigned for the missiles tests on the Abdul Kalam island and they must be booked.

 

[Tridev123]

And still I'm the one who gets branded as a western libtard
Weird world

I am a bit surprised by your total backing of the United States.
Uncle Sam can do no wrong. Right.

I hope some members do not feel that the Americans have completely hypnotised you.

The Pentagon and the CIA have an horrendous record of political assassinations and human rights violations in South America and Central America.
Just taking one example.
Unconfirmed reports name some of the victims as Che Guevara and Salvador Allende.

To remain unbiased the KGB also had an record of such undesirable activities. They were no saints.

I am not an Russian supporter. But only support Russia whenever their actions have helped India and Indian interests.

The United States is not all bad. But even they harbour some neo Nazi elements who would like to maintain the global supremacy of Washington using all means available.

There are good things to be said about the US. Like being a source of high technology, impressive innovation, democratic background etc.

But this admiration for the US should not blind us to the bad deeds that sections of the US administration and its intelligence services have carried out in various parts of the world.

The Americans have an very mixed record in India. Their instigation of the Bhima Koregoan riots is still fresh in the minds of the public. Supposedly an fight for the rights of the Dalits. If the objective was only that, then maybe an rightful political fight.

But what was sought to be achieved by creating an law and order problem. Pressurising the State and Central Governments. Creating a threat of large scale caste riots.

The unstated objective of the the master minds was to completely scuttle the Data Localisation Bill. A bill which would have forced the US Tech Giants to use only servers based in India to store data of Indian citizens.

The personal data of Indian citizens would stay within India and not be available to anyone in Washington or New York or any other foreign city.

The US government and the big Tech companies did not want that. One reason is that their costs will increase.

Unfortunately their pressure tactics worked and the Central Government put that Bill into deep freeze. The Government did it to avoid an region wide caste clash and not look anti Dalit in the eyes of the public.

If it was an fully indigenous movement, then no problem. Every section of society has the right to protest for upholding their rights. Violence should be taboo. Democratic means are preferable.

Is there proof that the CIA orchestrated the riots. No. There will be no proof. But people working in our intelligence agencies know the truth.

At the behest of Corporate America sections of the US administration created an major law and order problem in India to armtwist the Indian Government to roll back an proposed law.

Can any patriotic Indian really support such actions by the United States.

You can dismiss the whole conspiracy theory as an figment of imagination and believe that the Americans are God's chosen people who can do no wrong.

Or you can accept that many a times the actions of the Americans are not exactly pro India.

There is no harm in learning the good things and practices from the Americans. But we should also keep our eyes open for unnecessary and undesirable foreign intervention in our internal affairs.

The strategic interests of India and the United States need not coincide at all times and on every issue. What could be right for New Delhi may not suit Washington.

Bye, bro.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Someone has to put IAF and MoD on a frickin cross like Jesus. The question is if they wanted a MTA all these times, what the hell were they doin?
Did we even tried to make an effort for indigenous alternative? Il-214 was approach but it why didn't we follow through with something else when it was cancelled?

Someone has to ask the treatment indigenous products are given by IAF. Aeronautical products already have a long gestation period and not planning for a long term effectively kills any kind of planned project initiated hurriedly.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Someone has to put IAF and MoD on a frickin cross like Jesus. The question is if they wanted a MTA all these times, what the hell were they doin?
Did we even tried to make an effort for indigenous alternative? Il-214 was approach but it why didn't we follow through with something else when it was cancelled?

Someone has to ask the treatment indigenous products are given by IAF. Aeronautical products already have a long gestation period and not planning for a long term effectively kills any kind of planned project initiated hurriedly.

It's a very simple question; we lack absolutely zero foresight.

We could have simply bought Embraer when they're at their lowest. Period

All these shenanigans of Saras and RTA and MTA would have been solved in months.

 

[Blademaster]

The license raj system made sure that a lot of problems would pop out in our country, not just economically, but socially too, in working areas, the quality of output, the types of politicians elected with their policies, etc. What we started to gain in 1991, we should have started to gain from 1947.

It's been just 30 years, and we've grown so much and we still have space to grow. But if we do dumb stunts then this will be our fate:
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And we don't even have the raw resources to sustain some of the pain.

That dip in the GDP is artificial because the market rate pushed down the value of the Russian ruble whereas the productivity hasn't changed. Its PPP has not dipped.

 

[Blademaster]

I am a bit surprised by your total backing of the United States.
Uncle Sam can do no wrong. Right.

I hope some members do not feel that the Americans have completely hypnotised you.

The Pentagon and the CIA have an horrendous record of political assassinations and human rights violations in South America and Central America.
Just taking one example.
Unconfirmed reports name some of the victims as Che Guevara and Salvador Allende.

To remain unbiased the KGB also had an record of such undesirable activities. They were no saints.

I am not an Russian supporter. But only support Russia whenever their actions have helped India and Indian interests.

The United States is not all bad. But even they harbour some neo Nazi elements who would like to maintain the global supremacy of Washington using all means available.

There are good things to be said about the US. Like being a source of high technology, impressive innovation, democratic background etc.

But this admiration for the US should not blind us to the bad deeds that sections of the US administration and its intelligence services have carried out in various parts of the world.

The Americans have an very mixed record in India. Their instigation of the Bhima Koregoan riots is still fresh in the minds of the public. Supposedly an fight for the rights of the Dalits. If the objective was only that, then maybe an rightful political fight.

But what was sought to be achieved by creating an law and order problem. Pressurising the State and Central Governments. Creating a threat of large scale caste riots.

The unstated objective of the the master minds was to completely scuttle the Data Localisation Bill. A bill which would have forced the US Tech Giants to use only servers based in India to store data of Indian citizens.

The personal data of Indian citizens would stay within India and not be available to anyone in Washington or New York or any other foreign city.

The US government and the big Tech companies did not want that. One reason is that their costs will increase.

Unfortunately their pressure tactics worked and the Central Government put that Bill into deep freeze. The Government did it to avoid an region wide caste clash and not look anti Dalit in the eyes of the public.

If it was an fully indigenous movement, then no problem. Every section of society has the right to protest for upholding their rights. Violence should be taboo. Democratic means are preferable.

Is there proof that the CIA orchestrated the riots. No. There will be no proof. But people working in our intelligence agencies know the truth.

At the behest of Corporate America sections of the US administration created an major law and order problem in India to armtwist the Indian Government to roll back an proposed law.

Can any patriotic Indian really support such actions by the United States.

You can dismiss the whole conspiracy theory as an figment of imagination and believe that the Americans are God's chosen people who can do no wrong.

Or you can accept that many a times the actions of the Americans are not exactly pro India.

There is no harm in learning the good things and practices from the Americans. But we should also keep our eyes open for unnecessary and undesirable foreign intervention in our internal affairs.

The strategic interests of India and the United States need not coincide at all times and on every issue. What could be right for New Delhi may not suit Washington.

Bye, bro.

And the only way to stand up to these fuckers is to wean off their teat and go on our own. They will come to us instead of us coming to them.

 

[Blademaster]

It's a very simple question; we lack absolutely zero foresight.

We could have simply bought Embraer when they're at their lowest. Period

All these shenanigans of Saras and RTA and MTA would have been solved in months.

That's because we were busy sucking western teat and to a lesser extent the Russian teat. Sometimes there is no perfect baby formula and sometimes the best formula is to wean yourself off and start drinking normal milk or something.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[Lonewarrior]

That's because we were busy sucking western teat and to a lesser extent the Russian teat. Sometimes there is no perfect baby formula and sometimes the best formula is to wean yourself off and start drinking normal milk or something.

अरे भाई...बस दूसरे का बच्चा (और वो भी जवान) गोद लेने की बात कर रहा था और आप हैं की वहां भी अपना वोही दूध और स्तन ले आएं।

बक्श दें प्रभु...

 

[Blademaster]

अरे भाई...बस दूसरे का बच्चा (और वो भी जवान) गोद लेने की बात कर रहा था और आप हैं की वहां भी अपना वोही दूध और स्तन ले आएं।

बक्श दें प्रभु...

Why do you want to reply to me in Hindi? You missed my point. If we are on someone else's teat, we do not have an incentive for drinking on our own and therefore cannot recognize a golden opportunity if there one is. You were lamenting on how IAF and MOD missed this golden opportunity and I am telling you why we missed it.

 

[jai jaganath]

That's because we were busy sucking western teat and to a lesser extent the Russian teat. Sometimes there is no perfect baby formula and sometimes the best formula is to wean yourself off and start drinking normal milk or something.

Pls we don't want to face what we are facing wrt il-76 for your fantasy

 

[Blademaster]

Pls we don't want to face what we are facing wrt il-76 for your fantasy

Il-76 a fantasy? Please tell that to the IAF who is currently flying 24 of these. Because they are flying these, they have already integrated themselves to the infrastructure of the IL-76 include spares supply network, training, & logistics. So the acquisition of more IL-76s to fulfill the need of the IAF is vastly cheaper than going for A400M or Kawasaki C-2 unless you have a fantasy of making the IAF zoo bigger with more types of plane.

Get real.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Il-76 a fantasy? Please tell that to the IAF who is currently flying 24 of these. Because they are flying these, they have already integrated themselves to the infrastructure of the IL-76 include spares supply network, training, & logistics. So the acquisition of more IL-76s to fulfill the need of the IAF is vastly cheaper than going for A400M or Kawasaki C-2 unless you have a fantasy of making the IAF zoo bigger with more types of plane.

Get real.

IAF surely needs to get rid of all Russian junk