Dharmic Knowledge

[Roshan]

Telugu one, but it is a true translation of original Sanskrit. All the books are decades old.
Also, they were not the main stories, but segways into the main stories of Ramayana/Mahabharata/Devi Bhagavatam etc.
None of them had a negative tone. It was more like, this was what happened.

can you give me a list of these books? taking translations out of context and mistranslating them and reimagining them is what got fagnaik exposed who used to like peddling such stories despite not knowing any sanskrit himself. I'm not saying that is the case here but it would be good to probe deeper.

 

[indiatester]

can you give me a list of these books? taking translations out of context and mistranslating them and reimagining them is what got fagnaik exposed who used to like peddling such stories despite not knowing any sanskrit himself. I'm not saying that is the case here but it would be good to probe deeper.

Which Language?

 

[hawwk]

All the Pandavs went to Swarg, despite killing Pitamah Bheeshma and Duryodhan by Dharmetar. So if you're fighting for Dharma and killing those who are fighting for Adharma, you won't go to Narak.

No, only Yudhishtrita went to Swarg, others had to go to hell. Haven't you heard the story of Pandavas in kedarnath? It's quite well known. Instead most of the Kauravs went to heaven because it was boon that those who will die on the kurukshetra will do to heaven.

 

[hawwk]

Art of warfare Bheem had the power of 10,000 elephants. When Suprateek, the elephant of Bhagdatt tried to strangle him, Bheem even fought Suprateek and gave him tough battle.Lord Hanuman was Aradhya of all the warriors. He was so powerful that he had crossed the ocean by upthrust of just one jump. Many people think that Hanuman ji had fought from Mace or Gada. But that is not the case.In Valmiki Ramayana, it is stated that Hanuman ji and All other Vanar warriors had fought with their hand and used Stones and trees. They defeated mighty Rakshas warrior with these basic weapons. In this whole battle, the key point was the courage, might and accuracy of the attack. This level of confidence and accuracy in attacks comes only after years of practice. Let's talk on this in details.

The art of fighting with hands was developed in India very long ago. It has been known as Marmkala or Malla Yudhha. The creator and first of propagators are Bhagwan Shiva and Bhagwan Vishnu. In Puranas and Itihas, we get the reference of Battle of Lord Vishnu with Madhu Kaitabh, battle with HiranyaKashyap and Hayagreev. Also, the battle of Bhagwan Shiva with Jalandhar. After this, this tradition became more clear and appeared with Lord Parashurama and Maharishi Agastya. Both of these were disciple of Lord Shiva. This Parshuram's and Maharshi Agastya's tradition of disciple made Battle of Mahabharta more complicated(Acharya Drona, disciple of Bhishma, Karna Parshuram ji and Agnivesh's disciple Agastya). It was Agastya ji who set up his ashram on inaccessible Dandak Kanan. Under the tradition of disciple, the nobles such as Sharbhung, Sutixna and Agnivesh stopped the movement of demons. It was Maharishi Agastya who gave weapon to Lord Ram which helped him in Slaughter of Ravana. Maharishi Agastya and Parashurama were great masters of warfare. If Maharishi Agastya is the general master of warfare of the south, then Lord Parshuram is the Mahacharya of the Marathas, Gurjars , Rajput in West and warriors of the north and east. Lord Bajrang Bali is a disciple of Lord Surya and how irrepressible it is that you will come to know from Jamwant ji's statement that "If there is no Hanuman, then there is nothing and if there is Hanuman, nothing has gone". (in the war case Speech of Vibhishan ji to Jamwant ji after Indrajeet killed Rameya Army with the Brahmastra. This martial art continued to develop in different parts over time and went outside India.

This martial art reached the countries of China, Japan and Southeast Asia through Bodhidharma, the Pallava prince of Kanchipuram. This martial art reached Iran, Rome via Iran, Syria, Turkey through Parashuram ji's disciples. If you see the today's kung fu best Acharya's in the light of Lord Mahavira Bajrang Bali, Lord Parshuram, Maharishi Agastya, Lord Shri Ram, Lord Shri Krishna, Mahabali Bhima, Mahabali Suyodhan etc., then you will understand what we have lost and in return What have you found !!

Vedic Wisdom.

Hanuman is one of the rudra avatars of Shiv. There are few stories around his birth.

One of them,
When Shiv was in love with Mohini avatar of Vishnu, his fallen mhm... was collected by Vayudev and was given to Hanuman's mother.
He took an incarnation to serve Vishnu
Hanuman's mother meditate upon Shiv and asked him to re-born as her son.

 

[hawwk]

What is Manuvad? In the present times, the word Manuvad (मनुवाद) is being taken in a negative sense. Brahmanism is also used as a synonym for Manuvad. In reality, people who speak against Manuvad do not know about Manu or Manusmriti. The or they shout Manuvad for their vested interests. In fact, the caste system for which Manusmriti and Maharishi Manu are blamed, does not even mention the word caste. When we hear the word Manuvad again and again, the question also arises in our mind that what is this Manuvad? Read this series of thread on Maharishi Manu And Manusmriti:

Maharishi Manu is considered as the first spokesman of the human constitution (मानव धर्मशास्त्र) and the Aadi ruler. Because of being a child of Manu, a human being is called a मनुष्य. That is, मनुष्य is the child of मनु. Of all the creatures of the universe, human is the only one who has the power of thought (विचार शक्ति). In Manusmriti, the arrangements given for the संचालन of society can only be called Manuvad in positive terms. Manusmriti is the collection of all the arrangements that have been given for the running of the society. That is, Manusmriti is the first constitution (मानव धर्मशास्त्र) of human society, the scripture of the judicial system. It is compatible with the Vedas. The law and order of the Vedas has also been called the duty system (कर्तव्य व्यवस्था). Based on that, Manu created Manusmriti in simple language. धर्मशास्त्र is the name of the constitution or law in Vedic philosophy.

Manusmriti is neither anti-Dalit nor promotes Brahmanism. Rather it only talks about humanity, and human duties. Manu does not consider anyone a Dalit. Dalit-related systems are the product of the British and leftists. The word Dalit does not exist in ancient literature. There are four categories of human beings rather than four castes, which is completely based on their merit. First Brahmin, second Kshatriya, third Vaishya and fourth Shudra. Maharishi Manu says in Manusmriti 10/65 that— a Brahman becomes a Shudra and vice versa on the basis of one’s merits, actions and abilities. Similarly such an interchange also takes place between Kshatriya and Vaishya.

According to the law of Manu, if the child of a Brahmin is unfit, then according to his ability, he becomes a class four or Shudra. Similarly, children of a fourth class or a Shudra can become a first class or a Brahmin on the basis of merit. There are many examples in our ancient society when a person became a Brahman from a Shudra. Maryada Purushottam was the child of Ram's guru Vasishta Mahashudra Chandal, but on the strength of his ability he becm a sage. Vishwamitra became Brahmarshi from Kshatriya by his ability. There are many more such examples before us in Indian history, which automatically contradict the allegations that Manu was anti-Dalit.

In short, "those who believe in humanism are automatically Manuvadi."

Vedic Wisdom.

I still don't know why do people follow Smritis. They are to be taken as a grain of salt.
More important texts are the Vedas, Upanishads and Purans which are more divine.

 

[hawwk]

His methods works for me. That’s all that matters for me.

One can study and learn as much hindu theory as one wants but without self discovery through sustained yoga practice as patanjali’s yoga sutras urge, all such learned knowledge is useless save for quoting.

Good for you, I don't care about these internet babas like Sadhguru and Guruji.
I've seen real saints, their aurora is very powerful and divine. Same goes for reading sacred books. They give like a chill inside your body. I'm reading Srimad Bhagvatam these days. Listening to Shiv Stotram which is powerful and Shri Hari strotam which is peaceful.

 

[hawwk]

The Celestial Config is NOT Unique, Repeats in 25920Yr (360Deg*72Yrs/Deg) 2. We are Not a 5000 Yr Old Civilization, We are Infinitely Old , Time is Cyclical 3. Ignoring Concepts of MahaYuga, Kalpa etc=Giving up Smd. Bhagvat Gita & Veda. How Old Human Race is How Actually Species Came into being. In 1000s of Years of History, Did You come across any incident record of a Monkey getting upgraded to Human, as per Darwin's Theory of Evolution ? Shockingly the Answer is No! Let's delve in the Fascinating thread that follows.

Western Creation Date is 23.Feb.4004BC -Thats Why Vedic era is fixed at most 1500BC -History, Education&Science conform to it. -West Initially conculded Humans have been around for Few Thousand Years -But New Findings:: Humans 2.1 Lac Yrs Old & Later 3.5 Crore Yrs Old. All Relative Time Experience. Only Supreme God head is Above Time or MahaaKaala. From Atom to insects to birds to humans to divine all have relative Time Experiences. What a Buttterfly Experiences in 1 Yr is like what we experience 100 Yrs Please refer the Chart. Just Look at the Indian TIME scales from Small to Gigantic. These 24hrs, 7 weeks, 12months, 30 days/month Concepts are Ours West never had a an Orginal Calender. These Time Scales are upto what Humans can experience. Gigantic Scales from Human Till Brahma. There are Time Scales above Brahma as well, Not Discussed Here. (0.178 Second) Nimesha->Kastha->Kala->Muhurat->Divas->Paksh->Maas->Ayan Varsh->Yuga->ChaturYuga->Manvantra->Kalpa->Brahma Divas->Brahma Kaal (311.04Trillion years).

The Human Time is the Time of Solar System- ONLY Whenever you take Sankalp in Any Temple- The Purohit will Mark your Attendance from the Beginning of The Solar System. Please Read the Below Chart Can you Now Make Your Own Sankalpa? If Yes !, Please Do Post your Sankalpa here ! When we say उसका काया कल्प हो गया, Kalpa means Complete Transition. OUR SOLAR SYSTEM- -In 1st Kapa (Night of Brahma) 4.32 Bn Yrs- Annhilation of Matter into Force & Reasembly of Forces into Matter is Redied. -In 2nd Kapa (Day of Brahma) 4.32 Bn Yrs- Play of Matter & Life.

Each Kalpa = 1000 Chaturyugi Chaturyugi =4.32 million Yrs ~Kalpa (Night) is over= 4.32Bn yrs ~Kalpa (Day) running= 1.98 Bn Yrs ~Total 6.30Bn yrs. Kalpa is only for Solar System ~Total Kalpa(Day+Night)=8.64Bn Yrs is age of Sun Which Matches current Estimated SUNs life of 9Bn Yr.

Pandit.

More to add, Brahma lives for 100 years which is one breathing cycle for MahaVishnu (or Sada Shiva, both are the same parabrahman)

 

[hawwk]

Ya'll Nibbiars Some Hindus think FEET is a Bad/Impure -Doesn't Bride with Her feet, Strike the Riceकलश ? -FEET is one of the Yogic Medium of Blessings other than Hand OR Eyes *recall Vaman Avtar-Vishnu Scene. -Acupressure Therapy: All Organ points reside in Feet.

That's why when we press feet of the Elders it revitalizes their Organs ~Some fraud people out of Context say Manusmriti says Shudra are impure like feet. ~Shudra r IMPORTANT like feet that carry the Load of the Society ~Without Skilled Workers Shudra, no society can exist.

Pandit.

It's represented from the manu. Who was brahmin from the head, kshatriya from his arms, vaishya from his thighs and shudra from his feets.

 

[hawwk]

View attachment 59583

Also to add, saptrishis are changing as the manu and manvantara changes. Next set of saptrishis would also have Ashwathamma and Vyasdev there.

Saptarshi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Next Manu would be Savarni Manu

Savarni Manu - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

I am writing this post with heavy heart and wholeheartedly after found some members have wrong thought that need to be cleared.

1st of all, Naturally Born kinnars aren't transgender they are intersexual.

2nd. Many trads have already busted this myth of lgbt being accepted in dharma.

Hindu View Of Homosexuality. This thread Will Only Include what's Presented in Hindu Texts.

Sushruta Samhita Describes:

Asekya: Drinks Semen of Another Man

Saugandhika: Smells the Genitals of Others. commits Sodomy.

Narada Smriti Identifies 14 types of Men, who have lost their Ability to Reproduce.

One of them, is a Mukhabhega, i.e. The one Who commits Oral Sex and Sodomy with Another man.

Both Of The Conditions mentioned above are Considered as DISEASES.

Such men are PROHIBITED to marry, and Are Considered as Castaways.

Manusmriti Has Provisions for Fine Against Any Male Who Commits Bestiality sex with Animals & engages in Sex with Another Male.

Lesbians: >if a Girl pollutes another Girl, Then They Must Pay fine, and Ten Lashes With Rods is Advised.

>If a WOMEN pollutes a Girl, She will have her Head Shaved off and 2 fingers Cut off

Chanakya-Neeti States that A Napunsaka is Barred from Getting Any Share In Ancestral Property.

As Per Vishnu Smriti, Performing Copulation With An Animal or Another Man, Results in Loss Of One's Caste.

Before Anyone Comes here Saying The Word "Tritiya Prakriti", they Should know that The Term is Generally Attached with NATURAL born Intergenders, NOT with Lesbian,Gay or Bi's.

Sources: Narada Smriti. Vishnu Smriti. Sushruta Samhita. Manusmriti.

And @nWo 4 Life Nibba, @Bhumibar Nibba, @Maharaj samudragupt Nibba, @Roshan Nibba, @Jimmy Nibba, @Kumata Nibba you need to defend my posts and add up against possible attacks by liberandu's and Rita's on fake ground and twisting in translation ranting's.

 

[hawwk]

Ya'll Nibbiars

I am writing this post with heavy heart and wholeheartedly after found some members have wrong thought that need to be cleared.

1st of all, Naturally Born kinnars aren't transgender they are intersexual.

2nd. Many trads have already busted this myth of lgbt being accepted in dharma.

Hindu View Of Homosexuality. This thread Will Only Include what's Presented in Hindu Texts.

Sushruta Samhita Describes:

Asekya: Drinks Semen of Another Man

Saugandhika: Smells the Genitals of Others. commits Sodomy.

Narada Smriti Identifies 14 types of Men, who have lost their Ability to Reproduce.

One of them, is a Mukhabhega, i.e. The one Who commits Oral Sex and Sodomy with Another man.

Both Of The Conditions mentioned above are Considered as DISEASES.

Such men are PROHIBITED to marry, and Are Considered as Castaways.

Manusmriti Has Provisions for Fine Against Any Male Who Commits Bestiality sex with Animals & engages in Sex with Another Male.

Lesbians: >if a Girl pollutes another Girl, Then They Must Pay fine, and Ten Lashes With Rods is Advised.

>If a WOMEN pollutes a Girl, She will have her Head Shaved off and 2 fingers Cut off

Chanakya-Neeti States that A Napunsaka is Barred from Getting Any Share In Ancestral Property.

As Per Vishnu Smriti, Performing Copulation With An Animal or Another Man, Results in Loss Of One's Caste.

Before Anyone Comes here Saying The Word "Tritiya Prakriti", they Should know that The Term is Generally Attached with NATURAL born Intergenders, NOT with Lesbian,Gay or Bi's.

Sources: Narada Smriti. Vishnu Smriti. Sushruta Samhita. Manusmriti.

And @nWo 4 Life Nibba, @Bhumibar Nibba, @Maharaj samudragupt Nibba, @Roshan Nibba, @Jimmy Nibba, @Kumata Nibba you need to defend my posts and add up against possible attacks by liberandu's and Rita's on fake ground and twisting in translation ranting's.

I still don't understand who has given humans rights to punish the humans?

 

[Haldilal]

I still don't understand who has given humans rights to punish the humans?

Ya'll Nibbiars is extremely simple word the one who are above us.

 

[hawwk]

Ya'll Nibbiars is extremely simple word the one who are above us.

No, there's no mention of punishments by humans in the vedas and upanishads afaik. I'm the guy who cares about about vedas, upanishads, gita, somewhat purans but not smritis. Dharmic rules were based on the vedas not the smritis.

 

[hawwk]

For me, smritis are just the opinion of the writer.

 

[hawwk]

Sri Madhwa's Ontological Scheme :

Brahman as the only Independent Real is the highest ontological principle of Madhva's philosophy. It is Infinite, of perfect bliss, the Real of reals, the Eternal of eternals, the Sentient of all sentients, the source of all reality, consciousness and activity in the finite. The organ by which the intuiting Self becomes aware of time, is termed the Saksi or Svarupendriyam which is no other than the Saksi itself turning its own inner searchlight, so to say, upon itself. Madhva does not hold that time is an undifferenced and indivisible whole akhanda.

It is infinite and infinitely divisible. It is an infinite stream of duration without beginning or end. Each duration is pervasive. Madhva posits that it is eternal and uncreated in the sense of base empty time (anadi) and non-eternal (divisible). Both are intuited by Saksi. This is how he reconciles the Vedic, Upanisadic and Puranic texts which speak of time in both the ways.

Theory of Causation : The Madhva theory of causation cannot be understood without relation to its doctrine of Visista, already referred to Madhva's doctrine of Bhedabheda between Visista and Visesya (or Suddha) in respect of changing attributes and relations of things, leads to the corollary of 'Sadasatkaryavada' of causation, which is his general theory of causation. Causation implies a change, a beginning and end. change is not merely something new appearing, but it presupposes a substratum that changes, in form or state. Ex nihilo nihil fit. Causation would be impossible and meaningless, without the assumption of continuity of the cause in and through the changes it has undergone.

The Buddhist doctrine of causation as an ever-changing, constant, ceaseless flux, each moment (ksana) of existence being but a 'specious present' with no duration, is sharply criticised by Madhva and Jayatirtha. We cannot think of a 'change' without a changing thing at the back. There must be a 'something' that is not contained in the succession which carries on each vanishing point of the succession and adds it to the next. "Such a link would be missing in the Buddhist doctrine of Ksanikatva, as a ksana is, according to the Buddhist view, indivisible like a mathematical point and nirvisesa at that. There would be no split-second interval between any two vanishing points of moments at which the cause and effect could have met and 'causation' taken place by the transference of 'Samskaras'. For, mere sequence or succession (in time) is not causation. Madhva holds, therefore, that the effect is partially non-existent in its definite form and shape, while being existent in the form of the cause.

Isn't parabhrahman and Sada Shiv - Maha Vishnu the same?

 

[Haldilal]

No, there's no mention of punishments by humans in the vedas and upanishads afaik. I'm the guy who cares about about vedas, upanishads, gita, somewhat purans but not smritis. Dharmic rules were based on the vedas not the smritis.

Ya'll Nibbiars then what should just ignore?.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

Any attempt to reform Hinduism even with the best of intentions like to make it compatible for present times will inevitably end up making it adharmic in a few generations, primarily because -

1. It's not coming from within the dharmic authorities.

2. The epistemological findings related to how to run a family/State and manage human resources, find the optimum way for spiritual and material pursuits of excellence for humans, is a result of 10,000+ years of experiments & observations again coming from point 1. To think that, without a training both generational and individual from within the system, and imposing your reforms from a vacuous knowledge base of Western/untested/unsuccessfully tested ideas from last 2-3 centuries would work, is a stupid idea.

3. If you think above 3 points applies to the field of STEM, but not fields related to social morphology/theology, you're a dimwit, risking the future at the cost of temporary fixes.

4. Historical time-scales are one of the most difficult things for human mind to visualize. You can not even grasp the cause-effect phenomenon from last 60 years and hence invent BS terms like post modernism, sub-alternism etc to justify your BS hypothesis. How the fuck can you impose your BS back in time, say from 600-900 CE, spanning centuries? Ofcourse, that way you can only deconstruct through whims & assumptions and make up a history that never existed. Same pitfalls appear when you try to reform a continuous thriving religion, and in our case- the longest, most intricate yet elaborate system.

5. But saar, what about evil regressive obsolete practices? They need to go na? It's obsolete because something else replaced it, not necessarily because it didn't work, but because someone.

 

[hawwk]

Ya'll Nibbiars then what should just ignore?.

Yes, Sanatan Dharma was a way of personal dharmic life. If you read vedas, they are more about sacred knowledge like you've shared, oneness with the parabrahman, harsh realities of life. Upanishads were the texts made when people start questioning the vedas, so it's the extended version. During the satyug when Brahma/ Vishnu passed the knowledge to the rishis. It was that, meant to be the pillar of Sanatan Dharma.
Now counter question would be why did Shri-Hari preached Arjun to fight the war. This is where the line divides. Arjun's Dharma was to fight as a warrior to protect the Dharma. It's very different from punishing a human to cut off his fingers and hair. That's not "fighting for dharma".

Jai Shree Hari-Hara

 

[Haldilal]

Yes, Sanatan Dharma was a way of personal dharmic life. If you read vedas, they are more about sacred knowledge like you've shared, oneness with the parabrahman, harsh realities of life. Upanishads were the texts made when people start questioning the vedas, so it's the extended version. During the satyug when Brahma/ Vishnu passed the knowledge to the rishis. It was that, meant to be the pillar of Sanatan Dharma.
Now counter question would be why did Shri-Hari preached Arjun to fight the war. This is where the line divides. Arjun's Dharma was to fight as a warrior to protect the Dharma. It's very different from punishing a human to cut off his fingers and hair. That's not "fighting for dharma".

Jai Shree Hari-Hara

Ya'll Nibbiars Punishment or not what is unjust is unjust. And can't be Justified under any Pretext.

 

[hawwk]

Ya'll Nibbiars Punishment or not what is unjust is unjust.

I agree with you.