DEFEXPO-2022

[Tiwariji]

 

[Tiwariji]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Dosent airforce have rfi out for these things

 

[Tiwariji]

 

[Tiwariji]

 

[Tiwariji]

 

[johnj]

idli deceiving your eyes , idli radar has many drawbacks, 240 degree is better.

idli radar rotates and have one transmitter and receiver, so there is time gap in each rotation. big maintenance and operational cost.

While 240 degree has 2 TR so it can cover 240 without any rotation, just have to watch your back.

I heard even US moving away from idli radar.

surely drdo thought the same.

Google for IAF awacs first. Idli radar without rotation.
Age of pesa radar is over.
AEW & AWACS are not same. IAF uses both.
No need to watch back, AEW choose flight path to avoid dead spots.

 

[AnantS]

Ok. But this pic does not look like equilateral triangle then how does three radars cover 4 sides. You have full pic?

In 3 panel one, each plane covers arc of 120 deg scan

 

[Steven Rogers]

Ok. But this pic does not look like equilateral triangle then how does three radars cover 4 sides. You have full pic?

It is square....has 4 antenna to cover 360 degree...

 

[HitmanBlood]

Little late but I have visited Def Expo 2022.

Enjoyed my time there. Very large place. Not sure how much I have missed.

They had really nice AC electric buses for transportation. Online registration was easy as well. Everything went smoothly. No complaints.

I have first time physically seen Kalyani M4 and Tata Kestrel. I was surprised to see they are so huge in real life. Thise two vehicles were so majestic even a tank would look less intimidating in comparison. A fleet of M4 or Kestrel would definitely down enemy moral.

SSS defence had really high quality small arms. The fit and finish was way better compared to other small arms at expo.

Too many drones this year. Almost evey pvt company was offering drone. It seems Adani too wants to enter in drone market. Good direction.

Some companies were selling specialised products like rugged container for military use, a company selling military grade barb wire and many selling small devices that goes into larger systems. Intresting to see such diverse private ecosystem.

There are already plenty of pictures of missiles and jets so I won't post that here. Everything has been photographed already by many people. Also I am not very technical person to go into minute details either.

What really caught my eye was DRDO's MRE section. There is so much discussion on western MREs but I haven't seen lot of info online about Indian MREs and other military food products. So I spent some time there and spoke to gentalman at stall.

So my first surprise was Indian MREs are different based on location. A Sailor has different MRE from A submarine crew. A troop in jungle has different MRE from a troop posted in desert.

Another thing I learned that DRDO works with many pvt companies to transfer MRE technology for civilian use in form of Ready to Eat Meals.

I have eaten lot of Ready To Eat Meals from different companies. Glad to know this technology transfer came from DRDO.

I had chance to see some space food made specifically for Gaganyan Mission.

Another interesting thing I saw was DRDO labs developed bio degradable food containers and cutlery items. They can transfer this technology to pvt companies and it could be a success like their Ready to Eat Meals. It can be a good substitute for plastic.

They also had a field test kit to see if food is edible or not. A very helpful product for health of our troops.

Anyone can use pictures taken by me anywhere they like. No copyright.

 

[omaebakabaka]

They didnt work for us at Babina maybe the russians improved it post that?

We switched to excaliburs and israeli ammo because russian ones failed

Plenty of direct hits in Syria and now Ukraine. Hopefully we get our own inhouse soon.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Little late but I have visited Def Expo 2022.

Enjoyed my time there. Very large place. Not sure how much I have missed.

They had really nice AC electric buses for transportation. Online registration was easy as well. Everything went smoothly. No complaints.

I have first time physically seen Kalyani M4 and Tata Kestrel. I was surprised to see they are so huge in real life. Thise two vehicles were so majestic even a tank would look less intimidating in comparison. A fleet of M4 or Kestrel would definitely down enemy moral.

SSS defence had really high quality small arms. The fit and finish was way better compared to other small arms at expo.

Too many drones this year. Almost evey pvt company was offering drone. It seems Adani too wants to enter in drone market. Good direction.

Some companies were selling specialised products like rugged container for military use, a company selling military grade barb wire and many selling small devices that goes into larger systems. Intresting to see such diverse private ecosystem.

There are already plenty of pictures of missiles and jets so I won't post that here. Everything has been photographed already by many people. Also I am not very technical person to go into minute details either.

What really caught my eye was DRDO's MRE section. There is so much discussion on western MREs but I haven't seen lot of info online about Indian MREs and other military food products. So I spent some time there and spoke to gentalman at stall.

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So my first surprise was Indian MREs are different based on location. A Sailor has different MRE from A submarine crew. A troop in jungle has different MRE from a troop posted in desert.

Another thing I learned that DRDO works with many pvt companies to transfer MRE technology for civilian use in form of Ready to Eat Meals.

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I have eaten lot of Ready To Eat Meals from different companies. Glad to know this technology transfer came from DRDO.

I had chance to see some space food made specifically for Gaganyan Mission.

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Another interesting thing I saw was DRDO labs developed bio degradable food containers and cutlery items. They can transfer this technology to pvt companies and it could be a success like their Ready to Eat Meals. It can be a good substitute for plastic.

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They also had a field test kit to see if food is edible or not. A very helpful product for health of our troops.

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Anyone can use pictures taken by me anywhere they like. No copyright.

Thanks for posting, any idea on what MRE's apply to siachin or high altitude where temps are below 0?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Little late but I have visited Def Expo 2022.

Enjoyed my time there. Very large place. Not sure how much I have missed.

They had really nice AC electric buses for transportation. Online registration was easy as well. Everything went smoothly. No complaints.

I have first time physically seen Kalyani M4 and Tata Kestrel. I was surprised to see they are so huge in real life. Thise two vehicles were so majestic even a tank would look less intimidating in comparison. A fleet of M4 or Kestrel would definitely down enemy moral.

SSS defence had really high quality small arms. The fit and finish was way better compared to other small arms at expo.

Too many drones this year. Almost evey pvt company was offering drone. It seems Adani too wants to enter in drone market. Good direction.

Some companies were selling specialised products like rugged container for military use, a company selling military grade barb wire and many selling small devices that goes into larger systems. Intresting to see such diverse private ecosystem.

There are already plenty of pictures of missiles and jets so I won't post that here. Everything has been photographed already by many people. Also I am not very technical person to go into minute details either.

What really caught my eye was DRDO's MRE section. There is so much discussion on western MREs but I haven't seen lot of info online about Indian MREs and other military food products. So I spent some time there and spoke to gentalman at stall.

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So my first surprise was Indian MREs are different based on location. A Sailor has different MRE from A submarine crew. A troop in jungle has different MRE from a troop posted in desert.

Another thing I learned that DRDO works with many pvt companies to transfer MRE technology for civilian use in form of Ready to Eat Meals.

View attachment 178146

I have eaten lot of Ready To Eat Meals from different companies. Glad to know this technology transfer came from DRDO.

I had chance to see some space food made specifically for Gaganyan Mission.

View attachment 178147
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Another interesting thing I saw was DRDO labs developed bio degradable food containers and cutlery items. They can transfer this technology to pvt companies and it could be a success like their Ready to Eat Meals. It can be a good substitute for plastic.

View attachment 178149

They also had a field test kit to see if food is edible or not. A very helpful product for health of our troops.

View attachment 178151

Anyone can use pictures taken by me anywhere they like. No copyright.

Thank you so much these are awesome are they operational right now do our forces use them? And if you have clicked some pics of hals stall with there uav can you post them?

 

[HitmanBlood]

Thanks for posting, any idea on what MRE's apply to siachin or high altitude where temps are below 0?

High Altitude MRE

This one

Thank you so much these are awesome are they operational right now do our forces use them? And if you have clicked some pics of hals stall with there uav can you post them?

I haven't taken lots of pics of UAVs because before I went there already everyone on my social media feed has posted multiple images of them. So I decided to focus more on learning and observing.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

High Altitude MRE

This one

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I haven't taken lots of pics of UAVs because before I went there already everyone on my social media feed has posted multiple images of them. So I decided to focus more on learning and observing.

That's good any idea if mres are actually in use or they are just an concept right now?

 

[HitmanBlood]

That's good any idea if mres are actually in use or they are just an concept right now?

From my conversation with DRDO rep it seems it is very much ready from DRDO side including space food also. Not sure if our forces are using it.

 

[HitmanBlood]

DRDO rep was nice enough to give me a small demo box to take home.

Maybe one day I will do review of it.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Looks like caesar needs 5 to 6 crew and Archer probably 2 or 3 with system being more like tankish except I don't think that trailer is stable in all terrains. For me both athos and caesar's loading looks needlessly complicated and prone to maintenance (probably has manual mode?)

Well, you should check out the loading mechanisms in Bofors, Dhanush and ATAGS. They are all basically the same and more automated than Athos. It might look needlessly complicated to you, but contrary to what you think, its actually better than the pure manual loading of Atmos or M777 or older guns. Why? Well, if you are lugging around those rounds on your own, you've got to time it perfectly for a high rate of fire. Which is kinda difficult to do for extended periods, let alone up in the Super High Altitude Areas of Ladakh where you'd be out of breath just jogging, let alone carrying a huge unwieldy 155mm round around. So how do you expect the soldier to time the insertion of the round to perfection? Which is why we have these semi-automatic type system where the rounds still need to be placed under the crane by manpower, but then its lifted by a crane into a magazine and thereon is automatic. This ensures that the automatic system and magazine maintain the tempo of loading even if the timing of the men carrying the rounds gets messed up a bit.

If this system wasn't successful, they wouldn't be carrying it forward from Bofors. Its a good compromise between full automation and full manual.

There is indeed a manual backup to all these systems, as failsafe.

Lifting is a strong word for what they are doing. They are placing them on arms that load themselves. The archer’s systems are all internal and the crew is so small that it wouldn’t take much to completely knock one of those out of service even during routine operations. The kind of shoot and scoot tactics that it sells as it’s USP aren’t really realistic and definitely aren’t how the IA would fight.

the more I look at Caesar’s loading the more I think it’s highly unlikely it’ll be present on the MGS as it’s far too clean. The ATAGS MGS will probably have a little more manual effort

Well looking at the newer pics, its pretty clear that the crane, magazine, etc are all available in ATAGS MGS. Its basically the same as towed ATAGS or Bofors. So same as Cesear, right? Even the charge is loaded automatically, even if placed mannually. So its degree of automation is above Athos and leagues above ATMOS.

idli deceiving your eyes , idli radar has many drawbacks, 240 degree is better.

idli radar rotates and have one transmitter and receiver, so there is time gap in each rotation. big maintenance and operational cost.

While 240 degree has 2 TR so it can cover 240 without any rotation, just have to watch your back.

I heard even US moving away from idli radar.

surely drdo thought the same.

Bruh, Netra Mk II with 240 degrees + nose cone coverage is stop gap. Original AWACS-I program required new airframes and a 360 degree idli (non-rotating). But no money for new airframes means AWACS-I goes in cold storage and Netra MkII is fast tracked using slightly used Air India airframes. AWACS-I will be back by next decade.

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I am 80% sure this is some Israeli-JV with screwdrivergiri.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Well, you should check out the loading mechanisms in Bofors, Dhanush and ATAGS. They are all basically the same and more automated than Athos. It might look needlessly complicated to you, but contrary to what you think, its actually better than the pure manual loading of Atmos or M777 or older guns. Why? Well, if you are lugging around those rounds on your own, you've got to time it perfectly for a high rate of fire. Which is kinda difficult to do for extended periods, let alone up in the Super High Altitude Areas of Ladakh where you'd be out of breath just jogging, let alone carrying a huge unwieldy 155mm round around. So how do you expect the soldier to time the insertion of the round to perfection? Which is why we have these semi-automatic type system where the rounds still need to be placed under the crane by manpower, but then its lifted by a crane into a magazine and thereon is automatic. This ensures that the automatic system and magazine maintain the tempo of loading even if the timing of the men carrying the rounds gets messed up a bit.

If this system wasn't successful, they wouldn't be carrying it forward from Bofors. Its a good compromise between full automation and full manual.

There is indeed a manual backup to all these systems, as failsafe.


Well looking at the newer pics, its pretty clear that the crane, magazine, etc are all available in ATAGS MGS. Its basically the same as towed ATAGS or Bofors. So same as Cesear, right? Even the charge is loaded automatically, even if placed mannually. So its degree of automation is above Athos and leagues above ATMOS.





Bruh, Netra Mk II with 240 degrees + nose cone coverage is stop gap. Original AWACS-I program required new airframes and a 360 degree idli (non-rotating). But no money for new airframes means AWACS-I goes in cold storage and Netra MkII is fast tracked using slightly used Air India airframes. AWACS-I will be back by next decade.


I am 80% sure this is some Israeli-JV with screwdrivergiri.

Well, it would mean more if it is able to increase rate of fire but its just between 4 and 6 as per docs. Second, if it requires orientation and same number of humans to operate then very minimal benefit....I doubt if they will necessarily be preferred in snow heavy mountains. Shoot and scoot is generally the idea with this vs ATAGS, then you are not necessarily going to be at a point for long based on the amount of rounds it can carry? I think some times automation is frowned upon as it does half ass job....there are many areas in manufacturing plants where automation is considered unreliable, slow and unnecessary and deferred to human experience. It should not need so many people if shoot and scoot is the primary goal

Arty crew is trained day in and day out that it becomes muscle memory, 4 to 6 rpms gives plenty of time to sync with ammo even manually and no different from atags where charge is manually placed. Sometimes simple is better as its easy to mass produce when automation is not solving in the best way necessarily. BTW, these are not widespread, heck even autoloaders in tanks were frowned up on by NATO for a while.

 

[mokoman]