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jik60 said:
Hello All,

firstly my apologies for not getting you the required DefExpo2022 pictures and the information on time. It was really tough to cope with 35C of Gujrat, straight after landing from 5C of Chicago.

As a system safety engineering lead, I was with my company's leadership for purely technical discussions with the players in the military automotive sector. My company is a critical Tier-1 supplier to major Automotive and Aviation giants.

It became strikingly difficult for me to take pictures, ask questions, and be with my company's leadership at the same time. Some of the US military attache folks also were with us. However, I managed to gather some information and captured some good photographs

Nirbhay / ITCM/ ADE :
  • As Confirmed By one of the project directors of ADE (my god what a humble person), the next ITCM test with indigenous RF seeker and Engine would be on the 28th of October :shock: .
  • They got approval from IN and IAF (IN is mostly pushing it) for LR-LACM, all these ITCM trials are the precursor process to finally jump to the LR-LACM
  • LR-LACM range will be 1200+ km (mostly HI-Hi window is up to 1500 km), whereas in ITCM it was 1000 km
  • LR-LACM will be much longer than ITCM (Nirbhay)
  • IAF will also be a customer but only for the ground launch version to complement the Brahmos, the AL version has been considered or realized yet.
GTRE / Kaveri:
  • As per the senior officials (has requested me not to quote them) all 3 are equally evil
  • According to them why should anybody in the world would share their IP, they are of the opinion that; you can not develop or reverse engineered a turbofan pplsn system by taking one part from here and start developing another one from somewhere else and ending up rejoining them.
  • Their secret wish is that GOI should release a new project with more funds to develop a new engine (I am a part of my org's RnD dept, and I know how managers do shenanigans to get more RnD funds :) )
  • Despite all these, they are hopeful for GOI's new endeavor for JV, all motives behind the JVs are only economical in nature
  • Mostly GOI will form a consortium or spv for Kaveri in the line of Brahmos, the one for AK203, or the planned one for AMCA to bypass the older player like HAL, OFB, or probably the GTRE in the future
  • the marine version is completely a different project altogether, it's not a variant of KAVERI
  • GTRE has done some renewed efforts in the line of crystal blades, they have achieved some success, and will release more details in 2023
  • Sorry couldn't gather any updates on the flying test bed and the delay in testing the new engines for Ghatak UCAV, due to Rus-UKR war
ATAGS:
  • Yes ATAGS are probably the biggest attraction point/showstopper of DEFEXPO 2022, DRDO has 4 models (2 BF + 2 TATA) at various static displays.
  • This product is probably going to be the next flagship one such as Brahmos, Pinaka, and Tejas
  • DRDO official: MET (Maintainance related )trails over, QA trails are going on (hindered due to defexpo only)
  • Passed all the dynamic firing trials with flying colors, again achieved 48 km range in recent tests
  • DRDO is super upbeat about ATAGs (had seen similar enthu for very few like Tejas, Prithvi, and A series missile in the past)
ATGMs:
  • DRDO: NAG/HELINA/MPATGM are all at their terminal phase development except the SANT
  • NAG/HELINA/MPATGM all3 projects are now at the documentation handover to the manufacturer phase, all 3 of them already got good initial numerical orders from forces (DRDO officials didn't provide me exact numbers)
DRDO AIP:
  • The last scorpene will be fitted with DRDO AIP and from 2025 onwards the MLU of the kalvari class will see the integration of the indigenous AIP ( but I think this was just a sweeping stmnt from that particular drdo official, there will be much more into it)
AMCA/DAS/EOTS:
(Dammn DR. Ghosh was probably the hardest nut to crack and he was the only person except Dr Deodhar to speak on AMCA with some authority, didn't get much info)
  • CDR by 2022 Dec, CCS approval by early 2023 (again felt like a generic stmnt is coming from the horse's mouth )
  • EOTS will be a part of DAS approach and will only be available in mk2, mk-1 will have IRST
  • for Qs like IR signature reduction methods, especially in the back and air intake portion: no comments with a generic answer like " We have some plan"
For the rest of the questions such as those related to the small arms and their details, HAL CATS, IMRH, CABS Netra mk2, MMMR, I will visit again the HEC Gandhinagar on 21st and try to cover those
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Excellent. I hope IR signatue plan has something to do with IR metamaterials like the Koreans have done. If possible can ask the gtre guys about CMCs in the engines particularly SiC fibre in SiC composites like CMCs in the hot section?
 
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NoobWannaLearn said:
to our gun experts and @Johny_Baba why does arde guns have that weird horizontal rails at front or its neck can't we have picatane rails on both sides like ars?
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That is more than enough, side rails are not used for mounting much stuff other than laser/IR pointers, flashlights, tiny camera if required and such things - also it would cut on hands of soldiers ('specially ones with big hands) so better to have essential small section of rail than full length on sides.

West has already learned their lessons from going too much overdrive with muh M4 SOPMOD pattern of ARs that often required separate rail covers when rails aren't used much, which arguably is most of the times in regular armies - then why bother with having it for just sake of being taktikool...
first push towards having full length top rails (as it is still useful to some level, as to daisy chain two or more optics together etc) and small sectional rails on 3-6-9 positions was of course those Keymod and M-LOK pattern handguards that provided easy solution to mounting rails itself - other than having handguards with rails
then they just started making such AR with handguards that only has essential sections of rails, such taktikool one shown here (albeit still practical than before)
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^notice M-LOK slots on 3-6-9 as well as small sections of rails at front for those stuff like laser, torch light, bipod etc...rest you can add your separate M-LOK mounted stuff directly or just affix rail sections there and put stuff on it

so coming back to ARDE's decision, it is perfectly valid and shows they are actually using their brains this time, going along with time and so, should be appreciated.
 
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jik60 said:
ATAGS and MGS close up:
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10 round magazine :
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It is so Huge, almost like the Rambha SU30 of IAF
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Lovely pics

One thing though, As far as I can guess, I dont think the whole 10 round carousel can be used at one time...... I would guess only the top part can be filled, so more like a 5 round magazine instead of 10 round.
 
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Johny_Baba said:
That is more than enough, side rails are not used for mounting much stuff other than laser/IR pointers, flashlights, tiny camera if required and such things - also it would cut on hands of soldiers ('specially ones with big hands) so better to have essential small section of rail than full length on sides.

West has already learned their lessons from going too much overdrive with muh M4 SOPMOD pattern of ARs that often required separate rail covers when rails aren't used much, which arguably is most of the times in regular armies - then why bother with having it for just sake of being taktikool...
first push towards having full length top rails (as it is still useful to some level, as to daisy chain two or more optics together etc) and small sectional rails on 3-6-9 positions was of course those Keymod and M-LOK pattern handguards that provided easy solution to mounting rails itself - other than having handguards with rails
then they just started making such AR with handguards that only has essential sections of rails, such taktikool one shown here (albeit still practical than before)
View attachment 177574
^notice M-LOK slots on 3-6-9 as well as small sections of rails at front for those stuff like laser, torch light, bipod etc...rest you can add your separate M-LOK mounted stuff directly or just affix rail sections there and put stuff on it

so coming back to ARDE's decision, it is perfectly valid and shows they are actually using their brains this time, going along with time and so, should be appreciated.
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Thank you really well put reply and quite informative and does them making 6.8 prototype indicates that we might change in future or its just a prototype to study
 
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iNorthernerOn9 said:
📌The A320 LRMR/MPA design configuration shown at the LRDE/CABS booth mistakenly shows it with IN markings. In fact, it is meant for the Indian Coast Guard & it will be the optimum long-range airborne surveillance/maritime patrolling platform for the ICGS within the IOR.
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Wtf is he talking about? This is not a LRMR/MPA, it is clearly labelled SIGINThttps://twitter.com/delhidefence/status/1582261102011826177?s=46&t=6wyynrcRSUloyNFvX_AUEw

the MPA CABS showed is rhe MMMA based on the C295. Long term I expect they will make an A320 based MPA but that’s not right now
 
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