China's first indigenous carrier CV17

[Armand2REP]

The domestically produced diesel engine

They are all domestically produced... under license.

 

[smooth manifold]

They are all domestically produced... under license.

I know it's licensed. I don't think there's any engine break down records of 054A.

 

[Armand2REP]

I know it's licensed. I don't think there's any engine break down records of 054A.

Of course the ships with French diesels would be the ones doing Somali pirate patrols and port calls across the globe. I don't see any of your bigger ships doing that which run on Ukrainian gas turbines.

 

[rockdog]

if waving a flag can achieve the effects of a costly combat, why not wave a flag?

U mean like this?

An attempt to go to sea in November ended characteristically in disaster somewhere in the Bermuda triangle. A substantial part of a 19-ton propeller broke off, obliging the carrier to limp back to southern France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...nch-calamity-carrier-heads-for-sea-again.html

 

[smooth manifold]

U mean like this?

An attempt to go to sea in November ended characteristically in disaster somewhere in the Bermuda triangle. A substantial part of a 19-ton propeller broke off, obliging the carrier to limp back to southern France.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...nch-calamity-carrier-heads-for-sea-again.html

I bet @Armand2REP means that........

 

[rockdog]

Of course the ships with French diesels would be the ones doing Somali pirate patrols and port calls across the globe. I don't see any of your bigger ships doing that which run on Ukrainian gas turbines.

Meanwhile，US made E2 and Catapaults C13 can only working on some French boat ...

 

[Armand2REP]

U mean like this?

An attempt to go to sea in November ended characteristically in disaster somewhere in the Bermuda triangle. A substantial part of a 19-ton propeller broke off, obliging the carrier to limp back to southern France.l

On her last deployment the CdG spent 125 days at sea, traveled 66,672km, conducted 2,744 cat and traps and held exercises with Australia, Egypt, the United States, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore. The last time your carrier went out was for a few days and had to limp back to port for extensive redesign and the project manager was fired. If you want me to list the entire combat record of CdG I can, it is more than your entire military has done in the last 40 years.

 

[smooth manifold]

On her last deployment the CdG spent 125 days at sea, traveled 66,672km, conducted 2,744 cat and traps and held exercises with Australia, Egypt, the United States, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore. The last time your carrier went out was for a few days and had to limp back to port for extensive redesign and the project manager was fired. If you want me to list the entire combat record of CdG I can, it is more than your entire military has done in the last 40 years.

are you talking about frigates or carriers? I just reputed your false claims of 054A. Liaoning is officially a training ship. It is not deployed to any fleet. 001A is in sea trials and is planned to be commissioned in 2019. so what's your point?are you trying to show us French navy has lots of experiences or what? Is it related to recent rafale deal? lol.

 

[smooth manifold]

Of course the ships with French diesels would be the ones doing Somali pirate patrols and port calls across the globe. I don't see any of your bigger ships doing that which run on Ukrainian gas turbines.

lol let's check out 052C.

2016年1月2日，执行环球访问任务的中国海军152编队抵达澳大利亚布里斯班市访问；自2015年4月从舟山起航以来，309天的征程中，编队访问16国18港，总航程5.23万海里。在152舰艇编队之前，导弹驱逐舰青岛舰、综合补给舰太仓舰于2002年完成了环球之旅。2012年，大连舰艇学院训练舰郑和舰实现了单舰走世界。与前两次任务不同，152舰艇编队是在亚丁湾海域执行了4个多月的护航任务之后，直接转入环球访问任务，没有经过专门准备，

machine translate:

On January 2, 2016, the Chinese Navy 152 formation performing global missions arrived in Brisbane, Australia. Since the departure from Zhoushan in April 2015, the 309-day journey has led to the formation of 16 ports and 18 ports with a total range of 52.3. K nautical miles. Before the formation of the 152 ship, the missile destroyer Qingdao ship and the integrated supply ship Taicang completed the global tour in 2002. In 2012, Zheng Hejian, the training ship of the Dalian Naval Academy, achieved a single ship to the world. Unlike the previous two missions, the 152-ship formation was directly transferred to the global mission after performing more than four months of escort missions in the Gulf of Aden, without special preparation.

false claims refuted again. search 052C on youtube. there're lots of 052C missions.

 

[rockdog]

On her last deployment the CdG spent 125 days at sea, traveled 66,672km, conducted 2,744 cat and traps and held exercises with Australia, Egypt, the United States, India, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore. The last time your carrier went out was for a few days and had to limp back to port for extensive redesign and the project manager was fired. If you want me to list the entire combat record of CdG I can, it is more than your entire military has done in the last 40 years.

Without American E2 and Catapaults C13 how many kilometter it would go or make any sense.

Your entire military industry can't procedure the E2 and C13 for last 40 years...

 

[Bhurki]

Your entire military industry can't procedure the E2 and C13 for last 40 years...

Lets retain the insults to the things that have happened in the past.. And not in the future. It can be dangerous sometimes..

 

[Armand2REP]

are you talking about frigates or carriers? I just reputed your false claims of 054A. Liaoning is officially a training ship. It is not deployed to any fleet. 001A is in sea trials and is planned to be commissioned in 2019. so what's your point?are you trying to show us French navy has lots of experiences or what? Is it related to recent rafale deal? lol.

You confirmed my claims about 054A, that French engines are the most reliable in the PLAN. I am still trying to figure out why your bigger ships with Ukrainian gas turbines rarely leave home waters. You tried sending one of the newer DDGs to the Baltic in 2017 and it broke down in the Indian Ocean and had to be towed. Getting an answer to this question is paramount to determining the actual capability of a Chinese CBG. If all of your capital ships have unreliable engines then it makes your fleet a Paper Tiger.

 

[Bhurki]

I am still trying to figure out why your bigger ships with Ukrainian gas turbines rarely leave home waters. You tried sending one of the newer DDGs to the Baltic in 2017 and it broke down in the Indian Ocean and had to be towed. Getting an answer to this question is paramount to determining the actual capability of a Chinese CBG. If all of your capital ships have unreliable engines then it makes your fleet a Paper Tiger.

Actually it was the transmission that was reported to be broken, rather than some problem with engines themselves... But, yeah, the question still remains...

 

[smooth manifold]

You confirmed my claims about 054A, that French engines are the most reliable in the PLAN. I am still trying to figure out why your bigger ships with Ukrainian gas turbines rarely leave home waters. You tried sending one of the newer DDGs to the Baltic in 2017 and it broke down in the Indian Ocean and had to be towed. Getting an answer to this question is paramount to determining the actual capability of a Chinese CBG. If all of your capital ships have unreliable engines then it makes your fleet a Paper Tiger.

lol should I post again?

lol let's check out 052C.

2016年1月2日，执行环球访问任务的中国海军152编队抵达澳大利亚布里斯班市访问；自2015年4月从舟山起航以来，309天的征程中，编队访问16国18港，总航程5.23万海里。在152舰艇编队之前，导弹驱逐舰青岛舰、综合补给舰太仓舰于2002年完成了环球之旅。2012年，大连舰艇学院训练舰郑和舰实现了单舰走世界。与前两次任务不同，152舰艇编队是在亚丁湾海域执行了4个多月的护航任务之后，直接转入环球访问任务，没有经过专门准备，

machine translate:

On January 2, 2016, the Chinese Navy 152 formation performing global missions arrived in Brisbane, Australia. Since the departure from Zhoushan in April 2015, the 309-day journey has led to the formation of 16 ports and 18 ports with a total range of 52.3. K nautical miles. Before the formation of the 152 ship, the missile destroyer Qingdao ship and the integrated supply ship Taicang completed the global tour in 2002. In 2012, Zheng Hejian, the training ship of the Dalian Naval Academy, achieved a single ship to the world. Unlike the previous two missions, the 152-ship formation was directly transferred to the global mission after performing more than four months of escort missions in the Gulf of Aden, without special preparation.

false claims refuted again. search 052C on youtube. there're lots of 052C missions.

 

[Armand2REP]

lol should I post again?

It isn't particularly relevant since those old ships don't use the new license produced Ukrainian gas turbines.

 

[smooth manifold]

You confirmed my claims about 054A, that French engines are the most reliable in the PLAN. I am still trying to figure out why your bigger ships with Ukrainian gas turbines rarely leave home waters. You tried sending one of the newer DDGs to the Baltic in 2017 and it broke down in the Indian Ocean and had to be towed. Getting an answer to this question is paramount to determining the actual capability of a Chinese CBG. If all of your capital ships have unreliable engines then it makes your fleet a Paper Tiger.

lol don't try to mix things up.

I just reputed your previous false claim that Chinese ships bigger than 054A rarely leave home waters.

052C is bigger than 054A and it has done lots of missions.

false claims refuted.

 

[smooth manifold]

You confirmed my claims about 054A, that French engines are the most reliable in the PLAN. I am still trying to figure out why your bigger ships with Ukrainian gas turbines rarely leave home waters. You tried sending one of the newer DDGs to the Baltic in 2017 and it broke down in the Indian Ocean and had to be towed. Getting an answer to this question is paramount to determining the actual capability of a Chinese CBG. If all of your capital ships have unreliable engines then it makes your fleet a Paper Tiger.

so you're just making assumptions and based your assumptions you get your conclusions.

you don't even check or can not check if the actual scenario satisfies your assumptions.

that's a remarkable logic. lol.

suppose 1>2
then 1+1>1+2
hence 2>3
see you get a new theorem lol

 

[smooth manifold]

Actually it was the transmission that was reported to be broken, rather than some problem with engines themselves... But, yeah, the question still remains...

It's 052D 173 Changsha. other 052Ds were normal. 173 was later replaced by 052D 174 Hefei. I haven't found any concrete evidence showing 173's engine broke down.

Report only says "由于一个水下装备突发故障，导致舰船动力系统存在安全隐患(Due to a sudden failure of an underwater equipment, the ship's power system has potential safety hazards.)"

this is nothing like what @Armand2REP has claimed.

 

[Armand2REP]

I just reputed your previous false claim that Chinese ships bigger than 054A rarely leave home waters.

You haven't refuted anything. The point of this discussion is to find out if the Ukrainian gas turbines used in new build PLAN ships are reliable or not. I doubt you even know which engine that is.

 

[smooth manifold]

You haven't refuted anything. The point of this discussion is to find out if the Ukrainian gas turbines used in new build PLAN ships are reliable or not. I doubt you even know which engine that is.

lol another false claim. see my previous post.