China's first indigenous carrier CV17

[Hari Sud]

I like this sentence by ‘Icafanboy’

..... but since no one sell these to China due to copy paste habit and thieving IPR you people have to use substandard chinese JUNK. Atleast the end product INS Vikrant is far superior than chinese junk carrier. Same with other products.

Cheers.....

 

[Steven Rogers]

@nimo_cn is mistaken. IAC was not designed in France. It is a well documented fact that the carrier was designed with significant Italian assistance. Italians who are still on contract until the ship has completed sea trials:








No rational observer could deny Fincatieri's role in the design and construction of INS Vikrant. Yes, the primary designer was the Directorate of Naval Design and it is being built at Cochin, but it borrows significantly from Fincantieri's design of the Cavour; its aviation equipment is designed and installed by Russia’s Nevskoye Design Bureau, the gas turbines the fanboy is boasting about are American and its sensors are from Thales.

But this is all off-topic. If you want to discuss how indegenous Vikrant and its LM 2500 gas turbines are, kindly do so in the appropriate thread.

@nimo_cn , ignore @lcafanboy and @Hari Sud before they start posting the usual pictures of scooters on an aircraft carrier thread to illustrate how "superior" India is to China.

Yes the ip belongs to General electrics, but the propulsion is manufactured by HAL with 60 percent indigenisation of parts. The gear box supplied by Indian firm, and in your own source says about the assistance which India also hire when working on something new, nuke reactors for sub was also developed from the assistance but that doesn't means the ip belongs to Russians.

 

[J20!]

The Baracks ship pennant Number 88 was moved sometime on Saturday:

Its berth was then occupied by CV17/Type 001A some time yesterday:

Second sea trial loading?

 

[Hari Sud]

Who are we healing praise on the above shipyard photos?

If Chinese, then pay no attention. These shipyard make third rate copied technology ships only good for coastal defence. On high seas these are very vulnerable. They will fall apart in a single battle. And Chinese know about it. They built there Navy for South China Sea occupation and nothing more. In that endeavour they have succeeded.

 

[J20!]

Still a lot of work being done on deck and in her interior spaces since her move from dry dock, but work on her island and sensor suite hardware seems to be complete:

 

[J20!]

She's being prepared for her second sea trial. All scaffolding has been removed and her deck has been cleared. Interestingly, Mock-ups of the aircraft that will form her airwing have been placed and lashed to her flight deck recently:

 

[Armand2REP]

She's being prepared for her second sea trial.

Second sea trial? She never completed the first.

 

[J20!]

Second sea trial? She never completed the first.

Is it? Her maiden sea trials spanned 5 days... Do you have access to a trials schedule that shows that she returned to port earlier than planned? I doubt it.

The Liaoning's first sea trial started on 10 August 2011 and ended on the 13th of August 2011. 3 days total. Your analysis as always is tainted with your hate of all things China my Indian friend.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Is it? Her maiden sea trials spanned 5 days... Do you have access to a trials schedule that shows that she returned to port earlier than planned? I doubt it.

The Liaoning's first sea trial started on 10 August 2011 and ended on the 13th of August 2011. 3 days total. Your analysis as always is tainted with your hate of all things China my Indian friend.

Trials go for extensive shakedowns of systems for failures. When your ship can't go out of dock for a short while........there's much to be desired in Chinese CBG construction.

 

[J20!]

A restricted zone has been announced from yesterday till the 7th of September for her second sea trial.

Cue @Armand2REP to tell us how her return after 10 days signals "catastrophic propulsion failures or hull leaks" when she returns to the shipyard.

She's left the shipyard for her second sea trial:

 

[Hari Sud]

A restricted zone has been announced from yesterday till the 7th of September for her second sea trial.

Cue @Armand2REP to tell us how her return after 10 days signals "catastrophic propulsion failures or hull leaks" when she returns to the shipyard.

She's left the shipyard for her second sea trial:

Most of what Chinese and the Global Times say is BS.

They are yet to operate successfully their AC for a year, away from their coastline. They are afraid that catastrophic failure at high seas may cripple it and make the whole world to laugh.

 

[Armand2REP]

Most of what Chinese and the Global Times say is BS.

They are yet to operate successfully their AC for a year, away from their coastline. They are afraid that catastrophic failure at high seas may cripple it and make the whole world to laugh.

The longest deployment of the Liaoning was three weeks. A carrier is supposed to have endurance of six months or more. Maiden voyages of Western carriers are around six weeks and they build up the endurance until the shake down cruise. Chinese carriers have no endurance like you said, they are too afraid they will break down and create a national embarrassment. One of the primary functions of a carrier during peace time is to wave the flag by visiting distant ports, China has not been able to accomplish the most basic function.

 

[J20!]

Most of what Chinese and the Global Times say is BS.

They are yet to operate successfully their AC for a year, away from their coastline. They are afraid that catastrophic failure at high seas may cripple it and make the whole world to laugh.

And which Indian carrier has "successfully operated for a year away for the Indian cost line?"

It's ridiculous how Indian fanboys continuously shift the goal posts in their efforts to hate on the Chinese military. You have one carrier that has NOT deployed anywhere out of India's immediate periphery and another that's been "under construction" going on a decade now.

Yet you expect the Chinese Navy's first carrier to deploy to the Atlantic to prove itself, and a carrier on its initial builder's sea trials to deploy for 6 weeks to "prove its endurance".

 

[J20!]

Shots of her leaving the Shipyard:

 

[lcafanboy]

And which Indian carrier has "successfully operated for a year away for the Indian cost line?"

It's ridiculous how Indian fanboys continuously shift the goal posts in their efforts to hate on the Chinese military. You have one carrier that has NOT deployed anywhere out of India's immediate periphery and another that's been "under construction" going on a decade now.

Yet you expect the Chinese Navy's first carrier to deploy to the Atlantic to prove itself, and a carrier on its initial builder's sea trials to deploy for 6 weeks to "prove its endurance".

INS Vikramaditya will be unarmed on its 60-day journey home
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/res...craft-carrier-sergey-vlasov-217634-2013-11-16

60-days, 10212 miles on her maiden voyage INS Vikramaditya...

Even old ins Vikrant had 12000 nmi range and during 1971 Indo pak war it was constantly on the move and broke porkistan into 2 countries....

 

[Hari Sud]

And which Indian carrier has "successfully operated for a year away for the Indian cost line?"

It's ridiculous how Indian fanboys continuously shift the goal posts in their efforts to hate on the Chinese military. You have one carrier that has NOT deployed anywhere out of India's immediate periphery and another that's been "under construction" going on a decade now.

Yet you expect the Chinese Navy's first carrier to deploy to the Atlantic to prove itself, and a carrier on its initial builder's sea trials to deploy for 6 weeks to "prove its endurance".

Indian AC is under repair. During normal operations it is on high seas even now when travelling from Russia to India.

 

[J20!]

INS Vikramaditya will be unarmed on its 60-day journey home
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/res...craft-carrier-sergey-vlasov-217634-2013-11-16

60-days, 10212 miles on her maiden voyage INS Vikramaditya...

Even old ins Vikrant had 12000 nmi range and during 1971 Indo pak war it was constantly on the move and broke porkistan into 2 countries....

Pardon my ignorance, but didn't Admiral Grigorovich/talwar class frigates like INS Teg make a similarly long journey from Yantar shipyard in the Baltic to India?

Use your heads fanboys. Liaoning and her Chinese cousi are 20 000 tons heavier at full load than Vikramaditya. They cary more fuel and more aviation fuel than the Kiev class. How can she possibly have a smaller range?

Their sister/cousin, the infamously faulty Kuznetsov sailed from Russian North Sea fleet waters to Mediteranean waters off Syria's coast without making any port calls, then made the same trip back to base,

Indian AC is under repair. During normal operations it is on high seas even now when travelling from Russia to India.

No Indian carrier has operated away from India's coast for more than a year. Period. Not even CVNs spend a year at sea without replenishment. Vikramaditya hasn't been on any long range deployments since entering Indian service either, unless there's a secret trip to the Pacific or the Atlantic I don't know about.

Ships not being deployed on long distance cruises does not mean they are incapable of doing so. What exactly would necesittae such? Take your ridiculous inferiority complex arguments elsewhere mate.

 

[J20!]

More high def pics of her sailing out:

 

[Hari Sud]

Hey J20 stopping lionizing the Chinese AC. It is a self inflicted wound on china when they decided to refurbish it itself. They did not know what refurbishing means and they had no technology of own to do the job. Hence the Chinese AC is for parade ground use only.

 

[Bhurki]

The longest deployment of the Liaoning was three weeks. A carrier is supposed to have endurance of six months or more. Maiden voyages of Western carriers are around six weeks and they build up the endurance until the shake down cruise. Chinese carriers have no endurance like you said, they are too afraid they will break down and create a national embarrassment. One of the primary functions of a carrier during peace time is to wave the flag by visiting distant ports, China has not been able to accomplish the most basic function.

Official endurance of liaoning is around six weeks.. Typical of a conventionally powered a/c. Chinese always use incremental steps in development. Right now, they are trying to optimise airwing operations, and people over at SDF suggest they might be making changes to su-33 deployed. Three weeks is long enough to gain data to assess capabilites to improve upon.