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Hmmm.... interesting... but I doubt this will produce anything substantial...
China Military News & Updates
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They need more troops because of the terrain there side is not flat. Yes we will be outnumbered but IAF will play a crucial role here
How about looking at some figures.
Avro Lancaster 1944.
Total bomb load 8 Tonnes
B-1 2009. Maximum bomb load:
With six external hardpoints for 59,000 lb (27,000 kg) of ordnance and 3 internal bomb bays for 75,000 lb (34,000 kg) of ordnance. Total bomb load 61 tonnes
Over seven times the carrying capacity.
Avro Lancaster 1944.
Total bomb load 8 Tonnes
B-1 2009. Maximum bomb load:
With six external hardpoints for 59,000 lb (27,000 kg) of ordnance and 3 internal bomb bays for 75,000 lb (34,000 kg) of ordnance. Total bomb load 61 tonnes
Over seven times the carrying capacity.
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What's the dam made of....Kryptonite?
Your dam will break, as will any other dam. Dams are soft targets, no matter the size.
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In fact, a bigger dam means more water pressure and hence even a small crack will be a danger to the structural integrity of a dam... even if the missile manages to crack the dam, that's the end of that...
Do we have such big sized bombs?A fifty tonne bouncing bomb should do it. The bouncing bomb that took at the huge Mohen dam in Germany was only 5 tonne.
Get down, here it comes
I thought MOAB was the biggest of them all and that is just 21,00 lbs (~8 tonnes).
GBU-43/B / "Mother Of All Bombs" / Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb
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China's Three Gorges Dam a threat to Environment
China's Three Gorges Dam: a threat to environment?
China's Three Gorges Dam: a threat to environment?
Billy I Ahmed
In June 2003, nine years after construction began the state-owned China Yangtze Three Gorges Development Corporation (CTGPC) filled the reservoir with 445 feet of water, the first of three increments in achieving the eventual depth of 575 feet (175 meters).
The result is a narrow lake 410 miles long and 3,600 feet wide, twice the width of the natural river channel.
Scientists' early warnings came true just a month later, when around 700 million cubic feet (20 million cubic meters) of rock slid into the Qinghai River, just two miles (three kilometres) from where it flows into the Yangtze, spawning 65-foot (20-meter) waves that claimed the lives of 14 people.
Despite the devastating results, the corporation three years later (in September 2006) raised the water level about 512 feet. Since then, the area has experienced a series of problems, including dozens of landslides killing people.
Fan Xiao, a geologist at the Bureau of Geological Exploration and Exploitation of Mineral Resources in Sichuan province, says the landslides are directly linked to filling the reservoir.
One of the greatest fears is the dam may trigger severe earthquakes, because the reservoir sits on two major faults: the Jiuwanxi and the Zigui-Badong. According to Fan, changing the water level strains them. "When you alter the fault lines mechanical state," he says, "it can cause fault activity to intensify and induce earthquakes."
The dam is also taking a toll on China's animals and plants. The nation-which sprawls over 3.7 million square miles-is home to 10 per cent of the world's vascular plants (those with stems, roots and leaves) and biologists estimate that half of China's animal and plant species, including the beloved giant panda and the Chinese sturgeon, are found nowhere else in the world.
The Three Gorges area alone accounts for 20 per cent of Chinese seed plants-more than 6,000 species. Shennongjia, a nature reserve near the dam in Hubei province, is so undisturbed that it is famous for sightings of yeren, or "wild man"-the Chinese equivalent of "Big Foot"-as well as the only slightly more unimaginative white monkey.
That biodiversity is threatened as the dam floods some habitats, reduces water flow to others, and alters weather patterns. Economic development has spurred deforestation and pollution in surrounding provinces in central China, endangering at least 57 plant species, including the Chinese dove tree and the dawn redwood.
The dam further imperils delicate fish populations in the Yangtze. It has already endangered 25 of the river's 177 unique fish species.
The project has already contributed to the decline of the baiji dolphin, which is so rare that it is considered functionally extinct.
To find out the true toll, the Three Gorges Dam is taking on animal and plant species, Liu says, long-term data is needed, so decreases in population totals can be compared with natural species fluctuation. But he cautions that many of the dam's effects may not be apparent immediately.
When officials unveiled plans for the dam, they touted its ability to prevent floods downstream. Now, the dam is causing the opposite problem, spurring drought in central and eastern China.
In January, the China Daily (the country's largest English-language newspaper) reported that the Yangtze had reached its lowest level in 142 years-stranding dozens of ships along the waterway in Hubei and Jiangxi provinces.
To make matters worse, China is now ploughing ahead with a controversial $62-billion scheme to transfer water from the Yangtze to northern China, which is even more parched, through a network of tunnels and canals to be completed by 2050.
Meanwhile, at the mouth of the Yangtze, residents of Shanghai, China's largest city, are experiencing water shortages. The decreased flow of freshwater also means that salt-water from the East China Sea now creeps farther upstream.
The impact of the dam on the whole ecosystems could resound for decades. G.W. Davis is part of a project researching the disease schistosomiasis (a.k.a. snail fever or swimmer's itch), a blood parasite transmitted to humans by snails; people can get it by swimming or wading in contaminated freshwater when infected snails release larvae that can penetrate the skin. (Symptoms include fever, appetite and weight loss, abdominal pain, bloody urine, muscle and joint pain, and nausea, a persistent cough and diarrhoea.)
According to Davis, such changes could precipitate a rise in other microbial water-borne diseases as well. "Once you dramatically change the climate and change water patterns, as is now seen in the Three Gorges region," he says, "you change a lot of environmental variables. Almost all infectious diseases are up for grabs."
Although halting plans at this point would be an admission of government error, the openness following the Chongqing meeting raised the hopes of worried scientists that officials would take action to reduce the project's environmental and public health fallout.
Government-funded institutions have been quietly assessing possible recourses. Officials say they've spent more than $1.6 billion on fortifying landslide-prone areas and will spend another $3.2 billion on water cleanup over the next three years. But these measures may not be enough to avert disaster.
As media reports about the government's concerns, officials began to back-pedal. In a November 2007 interview with state news agency, Xinhua, State Council's Wang claimed that "no major geological disasters or related casualties" had occurred since the reservoir's water level was raised in 2006; five days later, the earth in Badong crumbled and the railroad tunnel landslide wiped out the bus and its passengers.
Following a brief period of openness, discussion of the dam's environmental effects has once again become largely taboo in China. Government officials fear that continued free discussion of the project's ramifications could lead to civil unrest.
Despite the Three Gorges dam's growing list of problems, however, hydropower remains an integral-and ostentatiously green-component of China's energy mix. China still draws over one-third of from hydropower-more than from any other source. Twelve new dams are planned for the upper Yangtze alone.
The logistical and environmental hurdles involved in completing these dams underscore China's commitment to hydropower. In his 2007 report to the National People's Congress, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao said that China had relocated 22.9 million people to make room for its large hydro projects.
China's original goal was to fill the reservoir to its maximum level by 2013. Despite all the trouble, that target was moved up to 2009, Fan says, to boost hydropower by an extra 2.65 billion kilowatt-hours each year.
"For the economic interests and profit of the Three Gorges Project Development Corporation," he says, "that's very important. But the function of any river, including the Yangtze, is not only to produce power. At the very least, a river] is also important for shipping, alleviating pollution, sustaining species and ecosystems, and maintaining a natural evolutionary balance."
"The Yangtze doesn't belong to the Three Gorges Project Development Corporation," Fan adds. "It belongs to all of society."
Even the Chinese government suspects that the massive dam may cause significant environmental damage.
The writer is a Tea Planter, columnist and researcher
China's Three Gorges Dam: a threat to environment?
China's Three Gorges Dam: a threat to environment?
Billy I Ahmed
In June 2003, nine years after construction began the state-owned China Yangtze Three Gorges Development Corporation (CTGPC) filled the reservoir with 445 feet of water, the first of three increments in achieving the eventual depth of 575 feet (175 meters).
The result is a narrow lake 410 miles long and 3,600 feet wide, twice the width of the natural river channel.
Scientists' early warnings came true just a month later, when around 700 million cubic feet (20 million cubic meters) of rock slid into the Qinghai River, just two miles (three kilometres) from where it flows into the Yangtze, spawning 65-foot (20-meter) waves that claimed the lives of 14 people.
Despite the devastating results, the corporation three years later (in September 2006) raised the water level about 512 feet. Since then, the area has experienced a series of problems, including dozens of landslides killing people.
Fan Xiao, a geologist at the Bureau of Geological Exploration and Exploitation of Mineral Resources in Sichuan province, says the landslides are directly linked to filling the reservoir.
One of the greatest fears is the dam may trigger severe earthquakes, because the reservoir sits on two major faults: the Jiuwanxi and the Zigui-Badong. According to Fan, changing the water level strains them. "When you alter the fault lines mechanical state," he says, "it can cause fault activity to intensify and induce earthquakes."
The dam is also taking a toll on China's animals and plants. The nation-which sprawls over 3.7 million square miles-is home to 10 per cent of the world's vascular plants (those with stems, roots and leaves) and biologists estimate that half of China's animal and plant species, including the beloved giant panda and the Chinese sturgeon, are found nowhere else in the world.
The Three Gorges area alone accounts for 20 per cent of Chinese seed plants-more than 6,000 species. Shennongjia, a nature reserve near the dam in Hubei province, is so undisturbed that it is famous for sightings of yeren, or "wild man"-the Chinese equivalent of "Big Foot"-as well as the only slightly more unimaginative white monkey.
That biodiversity is threatened as the dam floods some habitats, reduces water flow to others, and alters weather patterns. Economic development has spurred deforestation and pollution in surrounding provinces in central China, endangering at least 57 plant species, including the Chinese dove tree and the dawn redwood.
The dam further imperils delicate fish populations in the Yangtze. It has already endangered 25 of the river's 177 unique fish species.
The project has already contributed to the decline of the baiji dolphin, which is so rare that it is considered functionally extinct.
To find out the true toll, the Three Gorges Dam is taking on animal and plant species, Liu says, long-term data is needed, so decreases in population totals can be compared with natural species fluctuation. But he cautions that many of the dam's effects may not be apparent immediately.
When officials unveiled plans for the dam, they touted its ability to prevent floods downstream. Now, the dam is causing the opposite problem, spurring drought in central and eastern China.
In January, the China Daily (the country's largest English-language newspaper) reported that the Yangtze had reached its lowest level in 142 years-stranding dozens of ships along the waterway in Hubei and Jiangxi provinces.
To make matters worse, China is now ploughing ahead with a controversial $62-billion scheme to transfer water from the Yangtze to northern China, which is even more parched, through a network of tunnels and canals to be completed by 2050.
Meanwhile, at the mouth of the Yangtze, residents of Shanghai, China's largest city, are experiencing water shortages. The decreased flow of freshwater also means that salt-water from the East China Sea now creeps farther upstream.
The impact of the dam on the whole ecosystems could resound for decades. G.W. Davis is part of a project researching the disease schistosomiasis (a.k.a. snail fever or swimmer's itch), a blood parasite transmitted to humans by snails; people can get it by swimming or wading in contaminated freshwater when infected snails release larvae that can penetrate the skin. (Symptoms include fever, appetite and weight loss, abdominal pain, bloody urine, muscle and joint pain, and nausea, a persistent cough and diarrhoea.)
According to Davis, such changes could precipitate a rise in other microbial water-borne diseases as well. "Once you dramatically change the climate and change water patterns, as is now seen in the Three Gorges region," he says, "you change a lot of environmental variables. Almost all infectious diseases are up for grabs."
Although halting plans at this point would be an admission of government error, the openness following the Chongqing meeting raised the hopes of worried scientists that officials would take action to reduce the project's environmental and public health fallout.
Government-funded institutions have been quietly assessing possible recourses. Officials say they've spent more than $1.6 billion on fortifying landslide-prone areas and will spend another $3.2 billion on water cleanup over the next three years. But these measures may not be enough to avert disaster.
As media reports about the government's concerns, officials began to back-pedal. In a November 2007 interview with state news agency, Xinhua, State Council's Wang claimed that "no major geological disasters or related casualties" had occurred since the reservoir's water level was raised in 2006; five days later, the earth in Badong crumbled and the railroad tunnel landslide wiped out the bus and its passengers.
Following a brief period of openness, discussion of the dam's environmental effects has once again become largely taboo in China. Government officials fear that continued free discussion of the project's ramifications could lead to civil unrest.
Despite the Three Gorges dam's growing list of problems, however, hydropower remains an integral-and ostentatiously green-component of China's energy mix. China still draws over one-third of from hydropower-more than from any other source. Twelve new dams are planned for the upper Yangtze alone.
The logistical and environmental hurdles involved in completing these dams underscore China's commitment to hydropower. In his 2007 report to the National People's Congress, Prime Minister Wen Jiabao said that China had relocated 22.9 million people to make room for its large hydro projects.
China's original goal was to fill the reservoir to its maximum level by 2013. Despite all the trouble, that target was moved up to 2009, Fan says, to boost hydropower by an extra 2.65 billion kilowatt-hours each year.
"For the economic interests and profit of the Three Gorges Project Development Corporation," he says, "that's very important. But the function of any river, including the Yangtze, is not only to produce power. At the very least, a river] is also important for shipping, alleviating pollution, sustaining species and ecosystems, and maintaining a natural evolutionary balance."
"The Yangtze doesn't belong to the Three Gorges Project Development Corporation," Fan adds. "It belongs to all of society."
Even the Chinese government suspects that the massive dam may cause significant environmental damage.
The writer is a Tea Planter, columnist and researcher
LETHALFORCE
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this dam is also a humaintarian disaster displacing millions of people, but thing like that don't matter in totalitarian rule.
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contary to your word, PLA in fact deployment in Tibet is quite limited in peacful time..may be just about 2-3 division+several independent brigade ,only 30000 soldiers or so altogether ,I think.
but what is more meaningful is how soon PLA can transports troops into Tibet and finish deployment in Tibet when necessary....
IMO, the Tibet railway improve PLA's capacity of quick deployment and transportation into Tibet and change the power balance there greatly...:2guns:
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Three Gorges Dam risk to environment, says China | World news | The Guardian
Three Gorges Dam risk to environment, says China
Jonathan Watts, East Asia correspondent
The Guardian, Thursday 27 September 2007
China's showcase hydro-engineering project, the Three Gorges Dam, could become an environmental catastrophe unless remedial action is taken, the state media reported yesterday.
In an unusually blunt public assessment, officials warned that landslides and pollution were among the "hidden dangers" facing the world's biggest hydro-electric plant.
The alarmist reports, carried by the Xinhua news agency and the People's Daily website, were in stark contrast to the congratulatory tone of most previous domestic coverage of the project, which was planned for flood control along the Yangtze and for lessening China's dependence on power driven by coal.
When the last of 16m tonnes of concrete was poured into the vast barrier a year ago the project was hailed as a triumph of Chinese engineering. But the problems caused by the 1.4-mile long blockage are becoming increasingly clear.
"There are many new and old hidden ecological and environmental dangers concerning the Three Gorges Dam," the Xinhua report quoted officials as saying. "If preventive measures are not taken the project could lead to a catastrophe."
Upstream water quality has deteriorated because the flow is now too slow to flush pollution out of the river system.
Li Chunming, the vice-governor of Hubei, reportedly said that tributaries were being affected by more frequent outbreaks of algae.
According to Xinhua, the rising volume of water in the reservoir behind the dam has eroded river banks along 91 stretches of the Yangtze, triggering landslides. The sudden collapses of tranches of soil into the water has created waves that have been up to 50 metres (164ft) high, the agency said. "Regular geological disasters are a severe threat to the lives of residents around the dam," Huang Xuebin, an engineer, told a meeting of officials.
In recent years the government has closed or moved 1,500 factories, built more than 70 waste treatment plants and spent 12 billion yuan (about £800m) on efforts to stabilise the transformed geology of the area. But the latest reports suggest these steps are insufficient.
The Chinese prime minister, Wen Jiabao, raised these issues in the state council this year. His senior advisers have warned that the problems are as yet far from solved.
"We cannot lower our guard against ecological and environmental problems caused by the Three Gorges project," Wang Xiaofeng, director in charge of building the dam, was quoted as saying. "We cannot win by achieving economic prosperity at the cost of the environment."
Three Gorges Dam risk to environment, says China
Jonathan Watts, East Asia correspondent
The Guardian, Thursday 27 September 2007
China's showcase hydro-engineering project, the Three Gorges Dam, could become an environmental catastrophe unless remedial action is taken, the state media reported yesterday.
In an unusually blunt public assessment, officials warned that landslides and pollution were among the "hidden dangers" facing the world's biggest hydro-electric plant.
The alarmist reports, carried by the Xinhua news agency and the People's Daily website, were in stark contrast to the congratulatory tone of most previous domestic coverage of the project, which was planned for flood control along the Yangtze and for lessening China's dependence on power driven by coal.
When the last of 16m tonnes of concrete was poured into the vast barrier a year ago the project was hailed as a triumph of Chinese engineering. But the problems caused by the 1.4-mile long blockage are becoming increasingly clear.
"There are many new and old hidden ecological and environmental dangers concerning the Three Gorges Dam," the Xinhua report quoted officials as saying. "If preventive measures are not taken the project could lead to a catastrophe."
Upstream water quality has deteriorated because the flow is now too slow to flush pollution out of the river system.
Li Chunming, the vice-governor of Hubei, reportedly said that tributaries were being affected by more frequent outbreaks of algae.
According to Xinhua, the rising volume of water in the reservoir behind the dam has eroded river banks along 91 stretches of the Yangtze, triggering landslides. The sudden collapses of tranches of soil into the water has created waves that have been up to 50 metres (164ft) high, the agency said. "Regular geological disasters are a severe threat to the lives of residents around the dam," Huang Xuebin, an engineer, told a meeting of officials.
In recent years the government has closed or moved 1,500 factories, built more than 70 waste treatment plants and spent 12 billion yuan (about £800m) on efforts to stabilise the transformed geology of the area. But the latest reports suggest these steps are insufficient.
The Chinese prime minister, Wen Jiabao, raised these issues in the state council this year. His senior advisers have warned that the problems are as yet far from solved.
"We cannot lower our guard against ecological and environmental problems caused by the Three Gorges project," Wang Xiaofeng, director in charge of building the dam, was quoted as saying. "We cannot win by achieving economic prosperity at the cost of the environment."
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what does my comment have to do with India's infrastucture? I saw a whole documentary of poor chinese who hate their government because of this dam and becoming homeless, this kind things do not happen so fast in free countries.
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And I saw another one on Discovery which also showed the architectural and historical marvels which were lost to the reservoir when the dam was constructed...
They seem to have no respect for their own culture... cultural assassination IMO...
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Read on WAB that in a mountain warfare (which is what between India and China), you need 6:1 ratio of foot soldiers to enter and occupy the territory, other wise it is a game of diminishing returns. Nothing much to fear as of now. Right now, GoI should focus on increasing the infrastructure in Northeast and improve the logistics for quicker deployment of weapons and army personnel during the times of conflict.
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Relax, they are only getting their feet wet and their fingers frozen.
Those numbers are too less if they want to do some damage.
