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[youngindian]

Chinese web users voice concern over US-India defense pact

2009-07-26

BEIJING, July 26 -- The new US-India defense pact inked by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Indian Minister of External Affairs S. M. Krishna on July 20 has made many Chinese web users concerned as they believe the agreement will likely to pose potential threats to China in the future.

This agreement allows the US to sell sophisticated military technology to India and conduct "end-use monitoring."

According to an anonymous poll on huanqiu.com, 92.5 percent of 3,111 web users by 10 pm on July 23 agreed to the question, "Do you think that US-India military defense cooperation will threaten China?"

China and India are considered two emerging powers with the largest populations in the world.

"To support India can be partially regarded as a strategy to counter China," comments an Internet user. "Besides, China has a stake in Indian Ocean."

Another said, "If the US does not want to contain China, why bother coming all the way from another hemisphere?"

An anonymous web user compared the US-India military cooperation to an act of isolating China, saying, "The US has been cooperating with China's neighboring countries for fear that its hegemonic position will be surpassed by China some day. With Japan and other alliances, the US will stand firm on Asian-Pacific region. India is the best choice, for there is no huge development gap between China and India. A US-backed India will surely menace China. "

However, 7.5 percent of online voters who believe this cooperation won't be a threat.

"A country does not have permanent friends, only permanent interests," a voter quoted the classic statement from former British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston. "The US will never sell its most advanced weapon to India. But China needs to be on high alert." Another voter said developing ties is the most important thing for China. "Any cooperation between the countries and organizations is positive and we should not look at the international issues with prejudice."

Chinese web users voice concern over US-India defense pact_English_Xinhua

 

[Avinash R]

According to an anonymous poll on huanqiu.com, 92.5 percent of 3,111 web users by 10 pm on July 23 agreed to the question, "Do you think that US-India military defense cooperation will threaten China?"

LOL why hold anonymous poll? Are they afraid if they answered NO they would have to take refresher courses in re-education camps.

 

[SammyCheung]

Apart from the AP issue, the second issue is that India needs to get over China building ports in India Ocean.

Indian Ocean does not belong to India. China is a seafaring country and it has a right to navy patrol in the Indian Ocean, of course not including Indian territorial sea. This is not directed against India. It is to protect our commercial interests.

There are Japanese, Korean and American navy ships in the East China Sea and South China Sea. As long as they're passing through, China does not care. In the same vein, India should not care that Chinese navy and merchant marine pass through Indian Ocean and dock at ports in Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Pakistan.

 

[tharikiran]

^^^ So you mean to say, Indian Ocean belongs to china.

First, you let us patrol China sea.
Then allow us to build ports around your neighboring countries. Then come here and do the talking.
Do you get that ?? Now you chew on that before writing crap .

 

[p2prada]

We already patrol South China Sea. China has the right to patrol the Indian Ocean. But, the bases in the Indian ocean is what is causing the problems.

 

[tharikiran]

May be we are in parts of south china sea. That should send the message clear to the Chinese .

 

[p2prada]

We have been sending fleets of destroyers, frigates and tankers to the South China Sea since 2000.

 

[shotgunner]

^^^ So you mean to say, Indian Ocean belongs to china.

First, you let us patrol China sea.
Then allow us to build ports around your neighboring countries. Then come here and do the talking.
Do you get that ?? Now you chew on that before writing crap .

What crap you are writing, can't you read plain English? That means the ocean is international water, except territorial water as defined by international law. Problem with simple reading?

Let you patrol China sea? As long as is international water it is non of anybody's business. Do you know what is international water? No? Learn something before posting crap here.

Asking us to let you build ports around our neighbouring countries? What kind of brain-less question is that? You go ask them, not us. Do you need a list of countries that need your port? I can't help on that, it's tough task. Wish you good luck, you need it.

 

[tharikiran]

will u let India build ports surrounding your country ? period
forget about who's asking and who's not.
But will you be comfortable with it ?

If you are not then take some rest.

 

[SammyCheung]

There is no indication that China's ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Myanmar are anything more than commercial ports. It's not like there's going to be entire divisions of amphibious assault troops and hundreds of bombers there.

China has a right to build commercial ports and it's not in the interests of India to make an issue out of nothing.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

It's not just India it is also USA, that is why Pakistan will NEVER be able to build Gwadar

 

[tharikiran]

why don't you guys just answer the straight forward question ?

Why do you guys like to go in loops ?

Don't wanna add any sarcasm here.

 

[SammyCheung]

It's not just India it is also USA, that is why Pakistan will NEVER be able to build Gwadar

For once your rants are right. I think US is going to block Gwandar.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

i know credible Pakistanis who know this for a fact, who have expressed this to me.

 

[Avinash R]

Let you patrol China sea? As long as is international water it is non of anybody's business. Do you know what is international water?

Hmm didn't chinese navy clash with the US Navy in international waters recently.

How do you defend that action?

 

[F-14]

sammy if you are a human you could learn to respect ex military personnle

 

[Avinash R]

There is no indication that China's ports in Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Myanmar are anything more than commercial ports. It's not like there's going to be entire divisions of amphibious assault troops and hundreds of bombers there.

Well chinese military history has shown that there is no clear demarcation between military and civilians projects.

Chinese civilian shipping corporations in the past have been accused of carrying military consignments.

So there is a need for such chinese projects to be under constant survillance especially like ports which can be used during war as staging posts for attacks.

China has a right to build commercial ports and it's not in the interests of India to make an issue out of nothing.

There is no god given right to go around building ports which are bound to raise military tensions when china in the past has proven to make use of infrastructural projects to grab indian territory. Case in point being building roads in erstwhile J&K and then using them to invade and occupy Aksai Chin.

And thanks for thinking about Indian interests but Indians are capable to think about and defend their interests.

And it's in Indian interests to see that hegemonistic and dictatorial regimes which have shown an tendency to repeatedly claim indian territory like AP as theirs from sprouting staging posts near it's coasts.

 

[shotgunner]

Hmm didn't chinese navy clash with the US Navy in international waters recently.

How do you that defend that action?

Hmmmmm, inspiring question, how do I defend ... what? There was a traffic accident in international water, so did somebody disobeyed traffic light and had to defend?

Last year a French sub collided with a British sub, should anybody defend?

 

[tharikiran]

Forget about India building ports around you.
you Chinese are not even comfortable with whom Indian Navy does naval exercises.

The word "Double Talk" needs to be given a new definition.
And when you say," who's askin India to build a port". That's the height of Chinese arrogance. You think we can't build a freakin port.

 

[shotgunner]

why don't you guys just answer the straight forward question ?

Why do you guys like to go in loops ?

Don't wanna add any sarcasm here.

Agree, no more sarcasm, unless provoked, you do the same. I walked into this forum last week to find out what Indians feel, and expect from China. Glad to see my 1st post was thanked by 4 frequent Indian bloggers. Yes, lots of hostility, lots of sarcastic, impolite, even barbaric posts, contradict to what my imagination after surfing some many whitetrash forum in other countries.

Now answer your question, Indian navy can patrol in international water freely, India can build port in any country if the host approve, whether China agrees cos China has not right to say.

If you told me that Indians generally feel uncomfortable about China's port building & navy patrol in the region, I understand.

My views are: China does lack PR skills, communication skills, in dealing with perceived image in Indian eyes. As I have explained, China's action plan is targeted at securing trading routes against possible US intervention which is part of their overall containment strategy.