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I told you.... on the nuclear side China has DF-31A and JL-2 SLBM. Hint: do a google search on these since you evidently don't understand how advanced China's technology is.

Strategic nuclear attack on China is impossible.

As for conventional air strikes..... China has HQ-9 SAMs, a search radar specifically designed for stealth targets, KJ-2000 AWACS and J-10's.

No conventional air strike on China anywhere deep in China would be effective.

I have to admit it would be possible to launch a serious attack on coastal facilities with Tomahawks launched from Seawolf or Virginia. Still, it's not likely to change much in the big picture.


I'm already pointed this out... the level of technology that India is NOW looking to buy or joint research or even research on its own.... that's the level of technology that China has DEPLOYED.
 
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haha...please the KJ-2000 awacs is no where close to the Phalcon which has a much much longer range and way better ELINT and SIGNIT performance. secondly the mig-21 bison is more than a match for the entire fleet of J-10, lets not forget the Mig-21 Bison received stealth coatings during its upgrades.

The SM-3 shot down a satellite falling towards the earth at speeds over 17000 mph or 27200 kmph, no Chinese missile can reach half that speed, the SM-3 missile itself can reach speeds over 6000mph or 9600kmph, it will take down any incoming Chinese missile in a blink not to mention a single AEGIS ship carries over 122 SM-3 missiles, ahahahaha, China is no threat to the US. any launch will be detected within minutes and their strike group in Okinawa will shoot it down before the missile even enters the atmosphere.

US space command tracks the entire earth's orbit, they can detect, track and shoot down space junk or space garbage as small as a basket ball. Even India now has ballistic missile interceptors and give us 3 years we'll make sure the entire Chinese ballistic missile inventory is useless against us. We are now working on very long range phased array radars with detection ranges of over 1500km to 1800km and hypersonic interceptors with speeds of over mach 8 to shoot down Chinese ICBMs and SLBMs. China has no technology advantage over India in defense, the only advantage China has is numbers.
 

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I told you.... on the nuclear side China has DF-31A and JL-2 SLBM. Hint: do a google search on these since you evidently don't understand how advanced China's technology is.

Strategic nuclear attack on China is impossible.

As for conventional air strikes..... China has HQ-9 SAMs, a search radar specifically designed for stealth targets, KJ-2000 AWACS and J-10's.

No conventional air strike on China anywhere deep in China would be effective.

I have to admit it would be possible to launch a serious attack on coastal facilities with Tomahawks launched from Seawolf or Virginia. Still, it's not likely to change much in the big picture.


I'm already pointed this out... the level of technology that India is NOW looking to buy or joint research or even research on its own.... that's the level of technology that China has DEPLOYED.


India has had S-300 for a few decades , your HQ-9 is nothing but a cheap copy just like your KJ-2000 being a copy how well these will fare has been answered by you in your own that you are worried about simple tomahawk launches against the coast when much bigger missiles would be used which i doubt Chinese defenses would be effective against. Even the subs being lauched by China is an upgrade from 1950 US level to a 1980 US level, but not close to USA whom we were comparing before going into the India tangent.
 
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haha...please the KJ-2000 awacs is no where close to the Phalcon which has a much much longer range and way better ELINT and SIGNIT performance. secondly the mig-21 bison is more than a match for the entire fleet of J-10, lets not forget the Mig-21 Bison received stealth coatings during its upgrades.

The SM-3 shot down a satellite falling towards the earth at speeds over 17000 mph or 27200 kmph, no Chinese missile can reach half that speed, the SM-3 missile itself can reach speeds over 6000mph or 9600kmph, it will take down any incoming Chinese missile in a blink not to mention a single AEGIS ship carries over 122 SM-3 missiles, ahahahaha, China is no threat to the US. any launch will be detected within minutes and their strike group in Okinawa will shoot it down before the missile even enters the atmosphere.
LOL. What are you? 12? Go back to school.

India has had S-300 for a few decades , your HQ-9 is nothing but a cheap copy just like your KJ-2000 being a copy how well these will fare has been answered by you in your own that you are worried about simple tomahawk launches against the coast when much bigger missiles would be used which i doubt Chinese defenses would be effective against. Even the subs being lauched by China is an upgrade from 1950 US level to a 1980 US level, but not close to USA whom we were comparing before going into the India tangent.
"Cheap copies" is precisely what wins wars.

Actually you are correct China is at 1980's US level. But you have to understand that this is 1980's US level is ahead of Russia now and WAYYYY ahead of India.
 

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LOL. What are you? 12? Go back to school.



"Cheap copies" is precisely what wins wars.

Actually you are correct China is at 1980's US level. But you have to understand that this is 1980's US level is ahead of Russia now and WAYYYY ahead of India.
Can you specify what exactly you are ahead of India in??
 
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Are you really so slow that you can't understand what I just posted??

For almost every single military purchase that India is looking to make, or a joint research that it is looking to do, or development that it's trying to do itself..... China is already there with gear at least as advanced... and has its gear deployed already!

LCA? MRCA? Arjun? SAM? ASM? It's all the same.... India talks about buying this and that.... doing some joint development with so and so... China has it done already.

Indian military is like China's military 20 years ago (late 80's), except with much more access to US, Russian, European and Israeli arms exports. That avenue was closed to China (except for Russia's arms) in 1989.
 
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then why don't you post what you can do conventionally instead of blowing hot air power projection, and specifically against a US led onslaught. what can the system do against an SLBM with decoys coming in at MACH 25?
Reentry speed for ICBMs and SLBMs are around mach 12. Please don't post rubbish (at least not in front of me).

In any case, China's DF-31A's are mobile and hidden. China is a big country obviously and those things can be hidden somewhere on Tibetan plateau or vast reaches of desert. China has a guaranteed second strike against any force.

As for SLBM technology, let's just say China progress is roughly par with Russia's.
 

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SammyCheung,

hence forth for all the claims you make on the forum, start supporting those with valid links, if not, your posts will be instantly deleted with out any reason being specified.

thanks.
 

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Naval Supremacy Without Ships

July 1, 2009: For the last six years, Chinese military planners have been openly discussing the development of an ASBM (an anti-ship ballistic missile.) The way this weapon works is pretty simple. First you have to detect, and track, an American carrier at sea. This can be done with space or ground based radar, or electronic monitoring equipment. One could also do it with submarines (which would stalk the carriers, at a distance, and use satellite comm to send location updates back to China). Once you know where the carrier is, and where it is heading, you put that data into the navigation system of one or more ASBMs and launch. Less than half an hour later, the warhead is plunging earthward, and using its targeting sensors to detect the carrier below. Unless the carrier turned around and hauled ass at full speed about the time the ASBM was launched, the warhead will detect the carrier and hit it, while travelling at several times faster than a rifle bullet. If that doesn't sink the carrier, it certainly puts it out of action for months.

China's principal weapon would be their DF-21 ballistic missile, equipped with a high-explosive warhead and a guidance system that can home in and hit a aircraft carrier at sea. The DF-21 has a range of 1800 kilometers and normally hauls a 300 kiloton nuclear warhead. It's a two stage, 15 ton, solid fuel rocket that could carry a half ton penetrating, high-explosive warhead, along with the special guidance system (a radar and image recognition system).

It is believed that the Chinese have reverse engineered, reinvented or stolen the 1970s technology that went into the U.S. Pershing ballistic missile. This 7.5 ton U.S. Army missile also had an 1,800 kilometers range, and could put its nuclear warhead within 30 meters of its aim point. This was possible because the guidance system had its own radar. This kind of accuracy made the Russians very uncomfortable, as it made their command bunkers vulnerable. The Russians eventually agreed to a lot of nuclear and missile disarmament deals in order to get the Pershings decommissioned in the 1980s.

The Chinese have long been rumored to have a system like this, but there have been no tests. Before deploying these ASBMs, one or more would have to be tested. They could do this by using a large container ship or tanker (older ones, headed for the breakers) and move it to a likely location from which an American carrier would approach. This target ship would be rigged to be operated by remote control. The Chinese might want to send a few smaller freighters, similarly equipped, to represent the carrier escorts. This would test the ASBMs ability to pick out the carrier (the largest ship in the task force.) As part of the test, the Chinese could see if more than one form of tracking works. Then, the ASBM would be given the latest coordinates for the carrier, and launched. Half an hour later, the Chinese would know if they have a real ASBM.

If the Chinese do succeed in creating a "carrier killer" version of the DF-21, the U.S. Navy can modify its Aegis anti-missile system to protect carriers against such attacks. There are also electronic warfare options, to blind the DF-21 radar.

Meanwhile, China appears to be developing an over-the-horizon (OTH) radar that can spot large ships (like American aircraft carriers) as far as 3,000 kilometers away, and use this information to guide ballistic missiles to the area,. Such radars have long been used to detect ballistic missile launches, and approaching heavy bombers. Some OTH radars have been modified to take advantage of the flat surface of an ocean, to pick up large objects, like ships. Cheaper and more powerful computers enable such OTH radars to more accurately identify ships thousands of kilometers away.

China is developing the technologies, and it's only a matter of time, and willingness to devote several billion dollars to the project, before they can actually do it, or at least try to. If the Chinese ASBM works, naval warfare will be changed forever.
Strategic Weapons: Naval Supremacy Without Ships
 

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Largest has its uses, but I do think a Philosophy of use needs to be arrived at.

I am not sure if any of the intended uses mentioned (emergency rescue, fighting forest fires and sea patrols) call for amphibious craft of the order of an A320.

Maybe Badguy2000 can help us understand but I donot see much of him nowadays
well, it is useful to send troops to land on Taiwan more efficiently.
 

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well, it is useful to send troops to land on Taiwan more efficiently.
First response to that is yeah right, the Americans will just be watching. But on another note, why do you need a large amphibious place for troop deployment in Taiwan? Are yiou not presenting them with a large target?
 

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First response to that is yeah right, the Americans will just be watching. But on another note, why do you need a large amphibious place for troop deployment in Taiwan? Are yiou not presenting them with a large target?
a large amphibious won't set off ,until enemy' fire is suppressed.
 

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First response to that is yeah right, the Americans will just be watching. But on another note, why do you need a large amphibious place for troop deployment in Taiwan? Are yiou not presenting them with a large target?
It beats sending them over on fishing trawlers. :sarcastic:
 

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Well try these ideas..

Chinese Blog Proposes Giant, Submarine Aircraft Carrier
War Is Boring

Beware the submarine aircraft carrier
War Is Boring

Now try swallowing this one..
The Scoop Deck

Huge Chinese Heli-Carrier to Reinforce Giant, Submarine Aircraft Carrier
War Is Boring

Great! the Program of China's space mothership
China Military Report: Great! the Program of China's space mothership
I humbly lend my support to China going for all these things at the same time, though I think that space motherwhip thingy has been done by S.H.I.E.L.D:wink:
 

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That is a big blow, S.H.I.E.L.D, forgot about them.
Don’t knock the comics.

Just remember the old Dick Tracy comics where Dick Tracy had the far fetched sci-fi wrist watch communicator.
Well how does that stack up against reality now?
 

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I loved the comment posted on the first blog. :D

"this monster also carries 36 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, serves as a mother-ship for fast-attack submarines, can travel at the speed of light, changes Pepsi to Coke, finds your car keys, achieves perpetual motion and assures you the check’s in the mail. "
 

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I loved the comment posted on the first blog. :D

"this monster also carries 36 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, serves as a mother-ship for fast-attack submarines, can travel at the speed of light, changes Pepsi to Coke, finds your car keys, achieves perpetual motion and assures you the check’s in the mail. "
I'm happy if I just get my cheque on time.
 

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I loved the comment posted on the first blog. :D

"this monster also carries 36 submarine-launched ballistic missiles, serves as a mother-ship for fast-attack submarines, can travel at the speed of light, changes Pepsi to Coke, finds your car keys, achieves perpetual motion and assures you the check’s in the mail. "
I can understand the possibility of travelling at the speed of light, but changing Pepsi to Coke???
:Laie_60A:
 

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