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On the contrary, "3.4 M autos more than yankees" is only in the small car segment.

As the following tabulated data from the Global Auto Report, March 30, 2010, demonstrates:






As a result of the crucial distinguishing in weight and size-class distribution and the U.S. coming out of its worst recession in decades. To put this into even more perspective, U.S. passenger auto sales in 2008 were 13.19 million, an almost 27% drop in 2009. It is only a matter of time before passenger vehicle sales rebound to their previous levels, spurred by private-sector discounts, as indeed the following article serves to demonstrate:


http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-04-02-discounts-drive-us-car-sales-rise
guy, In March,2010, 1.7M autos(exclude "farm vehicle") were sold in China.

Of 1.7M ,1.26M are Passenger-car

Phttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-passenger-car-sales-up-apf-2293714334.html?x=0
assenger car sales rose to 1.26 million vehicles in March, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers
 

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anyhow, the auto sale in France won't be more than the one in a big Chinese province soon, whether you like it or not.

I know that it will be a bitter fact for you
I couldn't care less about how many autos Chinese buy, what concerns me is how many China exports. We don't want those deadly tin cans on the roads. Chinese export less than India so we don't have much to worry about.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...China-in-auto-exports/articleshow/4984389.cms

That must really bother you and your king of auto leadership.
 
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1.well, I think that that is just another Gordon Chang .


Chinese already got used to these fortune tellers. First they have the conclusion that China’s economic will crash or go to Hell. Then they got scientific proven because of reason A,B, C and gave a timeframe like 1 or 2 years. Then 1 or 2 years passed, they came out again with the same predication but different reason like reason D, E, F. Sometimes, the fortune teller changed. Like the famous Gordon Chang, who predict The Coming Collapse of China in 2006. Well, he learned his lesson, now he won’t give a timeframe to my knowledge.

This Mr. Chanos apparently a rookie who joined the League, so he gave out timeframe. I am waiting to see his next version of it.



2. CHinese real asset market indeed is full of bubble.However, if the bubble were to bust, the market maker/banker would not be those " speculators",but CCP government.
CCP is not only the constitutor of game regulations,but also the biggest market maker in CHinese market.

Chinese local government rely heavily on land grant fee.the higher the real asset price is , the more land grat fee they can get.,

the rocket of house price is what so Chinese local governments want exactly,althought Chinese center government hates it.

That is why Chinese house price has kept rocketing up for the last decade.

If CHinese center government really want to stop the rocket-up of house price,Beijing should decrease local governments' reliance on land-granting fee.

Thus ,the coalition of Chinese local government and house-developers can collapse
Whatever it is, just because Gordon Chang got it wrong previously doesn't mean that everyone now and in future will go wrong. Moreover, Gordon Chang's prediction was not based on ground realities and was bound to fail. But the predictions that are coming out now are based solidly on the twin bubbles in the Chinese economy. There are multiple economists talking the same. We will see as the time passes if they are right or wrong.
 

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Homegrown 500-km/h maglev train delivered

The first China-developed 500-km/h maglev train was delivered in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province on Thursday, China News Service reported.

This train was built by Chengdu Aircraft Industrial (Group) Co, a subsidiary of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), for the Shanghai Maglev Transportation Development Company, which ran China's first commercial maglev train in Shanghai in 2002.
The high-speed maglev train boasts some features of planes, and is expected to be put into use during the Shanghai Expo, which starts in May.

The train is also energy-efficient, the report said. When running at the speed of 400 km/h, it only consumes half the energy of a sedan.
 

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China posts trade deficit first time in six years

China posts trade deficit first time in six years

Beijing, Apr 10 (PTI) China, the world fastest growing economy has posted a trade deficit of USD 7.24 billion in March, first time in six years.

China exported USD 112.11 billion worth of goods and services in March, up 24.3 per cent year-on-year, while imports surged 66 per cent to USD 119.35 billion over the year ago period, according to a report released by the General Administration of Customs.

However, during the first three months, the country posted a trade surplus of USD 14.49 billion. Though it was sharply down by 76.7 per cent over the same period last year.

The country's imports and exports totalled USD 617.85 billion in the first quarter, up 44.1 per cent y-o-y.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/603792_China-posts-trade-deficit-first-time-in-six-years
 

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The first China-developed 500-km/h maglev train was delivered in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province on Thursday, China News Service reported.

This train was built by Chengdu Aircraft Industrial (Group) Co, a subsidiary of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), for the Shanghai Maglev Transportation Development Company, which ran China's first commercial maglev train in Shanghai in 2002.
The high-speed maglev train boasts some features of planes, and is expected to be put into use during the Shanghai Expo, which starts in May.

The train is also energy-efficient, the report said. When running at the speed of 400 km/h, it only consumes half the energy of a sedan.
 

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oops!!!
without export surplus, China is going to be crashed, the CCP will be over-thrown in a month, all chinese are now unemployed. flee!!! flee for your lifes now, all chinese
are you really so serious to such a one-month-long trade deficit?

it is just a numbe tricks of CCP,which is special for Yankee's stupid congressmens.

As we know, CCP increased the import in March,then is to decrease the import in the coming several months. So, In March, trade deficit appeared ,to let stupid Yankee's congressmens stop blahing the exchange rate of RMB.
 

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That trade deficit means nothing. Prices of Commodities like Metals have gove through the roof and CHina is one of the largest consumers of these commodities. When China exports these "now expensive" commodities after value addition this anomaly would be taken care of.
 

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well, guy, When you tell me Yakee definition of Yankee's "auto", have you studied the Chinese definition of "auto"?

Have you studied the chinese definition of auto?

I just gave it to you:

In China, Small cars, sometimes referred to as the A0-segment, are vehicles including MPVs of less than 4 m in length (roughly corresponding to the European A- and B-segments, and the US EPA's mini- and subcompact classes).
Category A (A-segment) vehicles are 2-box vehicles (hatchbacks, MPVs or wagons) of between 4 and 4.5 meters in length, or 3-box vehicles (i.e. sedans with a trunk) with engines of less than 1600 cc (roughly equivalent to the US's 'compact' classification).

In the US, "passenger vehicles" or "autos" are classified as the following:




Vans, small and standard pickup trucks, hatchbacks, wagons, etc. are classified as "nonpassenger vehicles" and are not included in their passenger car sales, even though the average US consumer uses them a great deal as "passenger cars" for conveyance. We all know that Chinese sales of mini-vans and small hatchbacks, especially to larger families in rural areas and townships, comprise a large part of their sales of vehicles in the "passenger car" market. This is for Jan. 2010, of a total sale of 1,314,000 vehicles:

http://autonews.gasgoo.com/auto-news/1013949/Minivans-drive-up-China-s-Jan-auto-sales-growth.html

Further, this:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/business/2010-04/09/c_13244410.htm


I am sure the the vehicle in the following picture is looked on as "auto" in Most countries.


However,it is called "Farm vehicles" in CHina, and they are not considered as "auto" in China,although they also have 4 tyres and look like "auto"...
China produce 3M + such "Farm vehicles" every year.
Looks like to me that, among other things, you have no idea about the car market in other countries as well.

That is considered a "passenger vehicle" nowhere in the world. Not even in India or in the developed economies of Latin America or the Middle East. In India, it is called a "tempo truck".

Are you even aware of the extent of the sale of these vehicles in the United States? U.S. farming is capital intensive, and farmers own entire fleets of these.

Let me give you a lil' run down of how the U.S. farms:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/09/soil/mann-text/1

China's sales of "3M" for 2009 are for commercial vehicles: of which "farm vehicles" are only one small part. You might want to go through this:

http://en.chinacir.com.cn/report/200911985220.shtml


To put this in perspective, US sales of "light trucks"- of which these "farm vehicles" are classified alone touched 5.214 million units in 2009, its worst year of the recession, and 6.388 million units in 2008*

* Source: U.S. Census Bureau


Chna's "13M" auto sale in 2009 also doesn't include "3M farm vehicles".
Neither, for that matter, does the United States'.


pls read my post again.

"50" is for all auto sale, including "passenger-car"but exclude "farm vehicle" .
"50%" average for the first three months of 2010 is for what China classifies as "passenger vehicle" sales. Which does not conform to the United States' definition of its "passenger vehicle" segment, which includes a far smaller subset of vehicles (MMV's, hatchbacks, wagons, etc. excluded), particularly given U.S. preferences for normal conveyance, or for that matter, the European Union's.
 
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guy, In March,2010, 1.7M autos(exclude "farm vehicle") were sold in China.

Of 1.7M ,1.26M are Passenger-car
Tsk tsk! You're only convincing me of my argument.

The error arises out of China's classification of "passenger vehicles", which is far larger than that of the United States, and is not even its preferred mode of "modal"' conveyance.
 

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That trade deficit means nothing. Prices of Commodities like Metals have gove through the roof and CHina is one of the largest consumers of these commodities. When China exports these "now expensive" commodities after value addition this anomaly would be taken care of.
the rise of raw resource can not cause CHina's month trade deficit,because the additional cost of import is still peanut to chinese huge export. As we know, even when Oil price was 150USD, CHinese had not trade deficit.

the only reasonable explainnaton is that CHina suddenly imported lots of raw resources for stock in March, deliberately for a month trade deficit.then it can make Yankee's stupid congressmen shut up on the issue of RMB exchange rate.
 

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Here is why China has trade deficit lat month... Let's show CCP how to play tricks.

China shopped lots of equipment and facilities in March.



Here is list of China's import in March 2009 and March 2010.

http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2832012
Soybean: 3.86M tons with 1.53 Billion USD last March; 4.01M tons with 1.8 billion USD this march.
Iron ores: 52.08M Tons with 4.2billion USD last March while 59.01M tons with 6 billion USD this March.
Oil: 16.34M tons with 5.01Billion USD last March while 21.06M tons with 11.59Billion USD;

Altogether,Raw resouce cost China 14 BUSD more this March than last March.


Mechanical and electrical products : 3.58 billin USD last March while 5.58 bilion this march; +20 Billion USD;
High-tech products: 2.26 billion USD last March while 3.42 billin USD this March;+11.8 Billion USD
大豆,去年三月进口了386万吨,花了15.3亿美元,今年三月进口了401万吨,花了18亿美元,同比增加了2.7亿美元

铁矿石,去年三月进口了5208万吨,花了42亿美元,今年三月进口了5901万吨,花了60亿美元,同比增加了18亿美元

原油,去年三月进口了1634万吨,花了50.1亿美元,今年三月进口了2106万吨,花了115.9亿美元,同比增加了65.8亿美元

成品油,去年三月进口了320万吨,花了10.9亿美元,今年三月进口了322万吨,花了18.8亿美元,同比增加了7.9亿美元

塑料,去年三月进口了203万吨,花了25.3亿美元,今年三月进口了244万吨,花了43.1亿美元,同比增加了17.8亿美元

钢材,去年三月进口了127万吨,花了15.5亿美元,今年三月进口了163万吨,花了18.7亿美元,同比增加了2.8亿美元

铜材和废铜,去年三月进口了70.5万吨,花了17.1亿美元,今年三月进口了81.6万吨,花了43.3亿美元,同比增加了25.2亿美元

合计,原材料进口多增加了140亿美元以上。

机电产品,去年三月进口了358亿美元,今年三月进口了558亿美元,同比增加了200亿美元

高新技术产品,去年三月进口了226亿美元,今年三月进口了342亿美元,同比增加了118亿美元
 

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hmmm. Something that is cooking wrong....

China suffers first trade deficit in six years

BEIJING: For the first time in six years, China announced on Saturday that it has suffered a trade deficit. Chinese authorities announced a deficit of $7.2 billion for the month of March.

Chinese officials were quick to use the opportunity to show that western governments were wrong in their claim that Chinese trade surpluses were driven on the strength of a weak currency. China has now made a deficit on the basis of the same unchanged value of the currency.

Yao Jian, a spokesman for the Ministry of Commerce, said the deficit proves the exchange rate is not the decisive factor affecting trade balance. "China's trade surplus continued to fall and China even posted a trade deficit in March under a basically stable renminbi exchange rate," Yao said while announcing the first monthly trade deficit since May 2004.

"This proved again that in an era of economic globalization, it is market supply and demand, and other factors that decide trade balance," he said in a statement posted on the ministry’s web site. The deficit was caused by higher levels of imports of items that included oil, certain raw materials and vehicles.

State-run television showed Chen Deming, China’s commerce minister, saying that he expected the trade deficit to be temporary. It reflected China’s openness to other economies and was not linked to exchange-rate levels, he added. Other experts said the deficit reflection deviation for one particular month but China will still end this year with a trade
surplus.

The country’s trade surplus had slid 34.2% to $196 billion in 2009, down by $100 billion compared to the previous year. Yao said he expected the surplus to slip further in 2010. But no Chinese official felt the trade deficit of March would become a trend.
"China never pursued a trade surplus purposefully. We will actively increase imports with stable exports and promote a balanced, coordinated and sustained growth of external trade," Yao said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-deficit-in-six-years/articleshow/5782370.cms
 

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the rise of raw resource can not cause CHina's month trade deficit,because the additional cost of import is still peanut to chinese huge export. As we know, even when Oil price was 150USD, CHinese had not trade deficit.

the only reasonable explainnaton is that CHina suddenly imported lots of raw resources for stock in March, deliberately for a month trade deficit.then it can make Yankee's stupid congressmen shut up on the issue of RMB exchange rate.
Agree Chinese are stocking up and driving commodities rates up. Its win-win for them. Yankee's are however not fools.
 

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Agree Chinese are stocking up and driving commodities rates up. Its win-win for them. Yankee's are however not fools.
I wouldn't say it is a win-win. Chinese are driving up the cost of commodities and they are paying through the nose for it.
 

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China- ASEAN FTA, effective 1Jan 2010 may also be one of factors attributing to the 1st-time deficit in 6years. China used to have a surplus with ASEAN. but -->

China-ASEAN trade volume increases 80% in Jan
The China-ASEAN Free Trade Area (FTA) has greatly pushed forward bilateral trade relations in terms of bilateral trade in January, said Ministry of Commerce spokesperson Yao Jian February 25.

The China-ASEAN bilateral trade volume in January reached 21.48 billion U.S. dollars, up 80 percent year-on-year, of which China exported 10.55 billion U.S. dollars to ASEAN, a year-on-year increase of 52.8 percent, and imported 10.93 billion U.S. dollars from ASEAN, up 117.3 percent year-on-year. All growth rates are higher than the year-on-year level of China's overall foreign trade.

Yao said that the China-ASEAN FTA is proving to be win-win cooperation and China has taken into full account the interests of ASEAN countries, especially those who are new members, and has strived to achieve mutual benefits.

China's imports and exports to and from ASEAN are basically the same in January, with a slight deficit. It is worth noting that China's imports from ASEAN countries have increased substantially in January, among which the imports from Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Singapore all grew two-fold over the same period last year, with a respective year-on-year increase of 153.4 percent, 140.54 percent, 114.2 percent, 92.7 percent, and 75.6 percent.

The China-ASEAN FTA has brought tangible benefits that companies and consumers on both sides can learn through practice, Yao added.
 

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China- ASEAN FTA, effective 1Jan 2010 may also be one of factors attributing to the 1st-time deficit in 6years. China used to have a surplus with ASEAN. but -->

China-ASEAN trade volume increases 80% in Jan
it is China's smart tricks to please its small neighbours in ASEAN .
Sooner or later, ASEAN is to be swallowed economically by CHina.
 

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it is China's smart tricks to please its small neighbours in ASEAN .
Sooner or later, ASEAN is to be swallowed economically by CHina.
Yeah right, ASEAN hates your guts. Stealing water from the Mekong is not their idea of friendly relations.
 

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ASEAN is to be swallowed economically by CHina.
ASEAN and China are inter-dependent partners beyond trading, despite disputes. Rhetoric like 'swallowed' is sheerly self trumpeting.

And when it comes to 'China driving up energy and commodity prices'--

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China must continue to remain prudent in its overseas M&As

Many believe that the global financial crisis presented China with the opportunity to go on an overseas shopping spree. The crisis blindsided many foreign companies who were caught in either over-leveraged or over-invested positions, leaving them vulnerable to acquisition.

The facts seem to back this up. According to statistics from Dealogic, an international financial data provider, China's overseas mergers and acquisitions (M&As) in 2009 amounted to US$ 46 billion in value. That year alone, Geely acquired Sweden's Volvo unit, China Minmetals acquired Australia's OZ Minerals, Valin took a stake in the Fortescue Metals Group Co., and Haier purchased a stake in New Zealand's Fisher & Paykel white goods manufacturer. Chinese companies swept across the entire industrial board.

But as the global economy recovers and asset prices rebound, will China be able to maintain its M&A momentum? Undoubtedly.

Through overseas M&A, Chinese enterprises not only obtain technology and well-known brand names, but also boost their own incomes. And with large-scale credit incentives, Chinese businesses have the capital to do so.

Capital Flows into Australia

Last year, China's oil and steel companies composed the main force for overseas acquisitions. Capital flowed towards Australia, Canada, and other countries with developed resource industries and sound legal systems. Currently, M&A in this field accounted for 97 percent of the value of total M&A, with 90 percent flowed into Australia.

Although Chinalco's US$ 19.5 billion investment in Rio Tinto failed, the setback did little to dampen the enthusiasm of Chinese enterprises. After Australian authorities rejected an initial takeover of OZ Minerals by China Minmetals, negotiated settlement led to a successful 91 percent stake being purchased for US$ 1.4 billion. Valin was able to take 17.55 percent equity of Fortescue Metals, Australia's third-largest iron ore producer, while the giant was suffering from debt. As an added bonus, Valin gained access to a seat on Fortescue's board of directors.

Energy and Commodities

Over the past decade, China's three large, state-owned oil companies have been probing for resource endowments in Kazakhstan, Sudan, Iraq, and Venezuela.
Using the financial crisis to its advantage, PetroChina has sharpened its edge overseas. In 2009, the company acquired two oil sands projects from Canada's Athabasca Oil Sands Company for US$ 1.8 billion, and in alliance with Kazakhstan's state-owned KazMunaiGas it acquired MangistauMunaiGas for US$ 3.3 billion. United with BP, PetroChina participated in the first round of bidding for an Iraqi oil and gas field. Through several stages the company also bought out a 45.5 percent stake in Singapore Petroleum. Furthermore, PetroChina may even be looking to gain foothold in the Argentina and Nigeria.

Sinopec successfully acquired Swiss Addax Petroleum in 2009 for US$ 7.5 billion. The deal marked China's largest overseas acquisition to date. But Addax's assets in sensitive areas in Iraq made it impossible for Sinopec to participate in the second round of local bidding.

As China's oil companies were "going out," they began to use a new cooperative model with multinational oil giants and resource-rich countries. Chinese companies would team up with Western oil companies to bid jointly in the upstream of the oil industry. In return, China would give state-owned companies from resource-rich countries and Western companies access to participate in its downstream sector. By jointly covering the upper, middle, and lower ends of the petroleum industry, all companies were able to benefit. Share participation, joint bidding, oil for loans, and other models became increasingly common.

Since 2009, China Investment Corporation (CIC), China's sovereign wealth fund, has increased the weighting of resources and commodities in its portfolio. In the last boom cycle, some companies in these fields overextended themselves in terms of investment and debt. When the financial crisis struck, CIC took advantage of the opportunity, knowing that commodity-linked investments serve as a powerful hedge against inflation. Moreover, with a global recovery and growth in emerging markets, resources and commodities will be in high demand, leaving ample room for appreciation. By participating in these fields, CIC can enjoy the benefits of emerging markets and Chinese growth, and obtain higher returns.

Overseas Auto Acquisitions

During the economic downturn, the automobile industry was not only a bright spot for China's economy, it was also the highlight of China's overseas acquisitions. Troubled American automakers had no idea that Chinese companies would appear at the negotiating table for nearly every sales deal.

Beijing Automotive Industry, in an attempt to become one of China's "big four" automakers, wrapped up negotiations with Saab related to intellectual property rights, and acquired technology to build its own brand. Privately-owned Geely raised HK$ 740 million to acquire DSI, the world's second-largest producer of automatic transmissions, and reached the agreement to acquire Volvo.

Compared with technology and asset acquisitions, manufacturing acquisitions are relatively complicated to sort out. China's major overseas acquisitions used to bear little fruit and served to disappoint many.

Speculation regarding Geely's Volvo acquisition was rampant for two main reasons. First, there were questions as to whether the acquisition price tag was too high. Second, it was unclear if Geely could succeed where America's Ford had failed. Would Geely be able to generate enough financing and resources?

Industry insiders generally believe, however, that there is opportunity for consolidation within the auto industry. New-energy vehicles are revolutionizing the industry and creating plenty of room for integration.

Sorting Through the Risks

As Chinese companies ramp up the scale of their overseas acquisitions, one nagging question remains: will the acquisitions stir up opposition and resentment from people on the receiving end?

Experts point out that China is expending huge sums to seize opportunities, making high-cost investments like the Central Asia-China gas pipeline and the second "West-to-East" gas pipeline. If problems occur at the source of these resources, the investment in these projects will be unrecoverable.

A PetroChina executive in charge of overseas business refuted such anxieties, saying that the company continually updates its testing and evaluation systems in order to avoid areas of high risk. Such risk may stem from terrorism, political instability, trade protectionism or resource nationalism.

But there are signs that the risk assessment capabilities of Chinese companies still need to be improved.

A large number of enterprises are overly eager to grow in size via acquisitions, and many financial institutions encourage Chinese companies to go bargain hunting.

Clearly, M&A decisions require deliberate calculation in order to minimize price risk. Low prices do not necessarily indicate a profitable deal. The decision to invest lies in whether there is potential for growth. The fundamental reason for the failure of acquisitions is often Chinese companies' inability to manage corporate teams from developed-market companies.

At the same time, the fact that so many Chinese companies are state-owned is a cause of concern in many foreign markets. A "Chinese acquisition" will often be the focus of domestic media in the acquired company's country as well as in the international media. Transparency is often the biggest issue and is one that Chinese companies must directly address.

Financial risks must also be taken into account. Indeed, in addition to traditional players like the China Development Bank, more and more large-scale banks are willing to provide loans for M&As. But companies must first ensure that their own operations remain strong and that they have the willpower not to overextend.
 

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