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President Joe Biden has been urged to ban imports of Chinese-made electric cars to the US.

The chair of the Senate Banking Committee, Senator Sherrod Brown, wrote "Chinese electric vehicles are an existential threat to the American auto industry".

His comments are the strongest yet by any US lawmaker on the issue, while others have called for steep tariffs to keep Chinese electric vehicles (EV) out of the country.


In February, the White House said the US was opening an investigation into whether Chinese cars pose a national security risk.

"We cannot allow China to bring its government-backed cheating to the American auto industry", Senator Brown said in a video on the social media platform X, formerly Twitter.

Senator Brown, who is a Democrat from the the car-producing state of Ohio, is seeking to win a fourth term in office in November's election.


The White House did not immediately respond to a BBC request for comment.

In February, President Biden said that China's policies "could flood our market with its vehicles, posing risks to our national security" and that he would "not let that happen on my watch."

Washington could impose restrictions over concerns that the technology in Chinese-made cars could "collect large amounts of sensitive data on their drivers and passengers", the White House said.

It warned cars that are connected to the internet "regularly use their cameras and sensors to record detailed information on US infrastructure; interact directly with critical infrastructure; and can be piloted or disabled remotely".

China is the world's largest producer of cars and vying with Japan to be the biggest exporter of vehicles.

The number of Chinese cars on US roads is, however, extremely low due to the fact the latter currently imposes a 27.5% tariff on the vehicles.

This week, while on a trip to China, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen warned Beijing that Washington would not allow a repeat of the "China shock" of the early 2000s, when Chinese imports flooded into America.

In response, China's vice finance minister, Liao Min, expressed "grave concern" over restrictions the US has imposed on trade and investment.

Mr Liao said China's competitive advantages are due to its "large-scale market, complete industrial system and abundant human resources".

Also on Thursday, America's biggest airlines asked the Biden administration to halt approvals of new flights between the US and China.

In a letter to Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Transportation Department Secretary Pete Buttigieg they said China's “damaging anti-competitive policies” put US carriers at a disadvantage.

“If the growth of the Chinese aviation market is allowed to continue unchecked and without concern for equality of access in the market, flights will continue to be relinquished to Chinese carriers at the expense of US workers and businesses.”

The world's two biggest economies have been locked in a trade war since 2018 when the then-Trump administration imposed tariffs on more than $360bn (£287bn) of Chinese goods.

Beijing retaliated with tariffs on more than $110bn of US products.

President Joe Biden has largely kept those tariffs in place.

Last year the value of goods the US bought from China fell by just over 20% to $427bn. At the same time, US exports to China dipped by 4% to just under $148bn.

 

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In terms of efficiency, hydro power conversion is better – modern hydro turbines can convert over 90% of the water's energy into electricity. Solar panels remain less efficient, typically converting 15-20% of sunlight into power.Aug 15, 2023
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Pros of Hydropower
  • It’s a clean fuel source, which is renewed yearly by snow and rainfall.
  • Hydropower plants are utilised to produce baseload electricity and adjust the amount of it, subsequently meeting the fluctuations in demand.
  • Hydroelectric generators can instantly switch off and on, hence, being one of the most responsive energy sources during the alterations in demand, especially in the peak season.
  • It produces a significant amount of electricity without depending much on climate conditions, air current flow and complex start-up processes.
  • The running and maintenance costs are usually low, as they are almost entirely automated.
  • Hydropower has low failure rates and a long life-cycle.

Producing the same amount of electricity as the average nuclear reactor using solar panels would require around 8.5 million of them.

 

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In terms of efficiency, hydro power conversion is better – modern hydro turbines can convert over 90% of the water's energy into electricity. Solar panels remain less efficient, typically converting 15-20% of sunlight into power.Aug 15, 2023
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Pros of Hydropower
  • It’s a clean fuel source, which is renewed yearly by snow and rainfall.
  • Hydropower plants are utilised to produce baseload electricity and adjust the amount of it, subsequently meeting the fluctuations in demand.
  • Hydroelectric generators can instantly switch off and on, hence, being one of the most responsive energy sources during the alterations in demand, especially in the peak season.
  • It produces a significant amount of electricity without depending much on climate conditions, air current flow and complex start-up processes.
  • The running and maintenance costs are usually low, as they are almost entirely automated.
  • Hydropower has low failure rates and a long life-cycle.

Producing the same amount of electricity as the average nuclear reactor using solar panels would require around 8.5 million of them.

China is the worlds largest producer of hydroelectricity

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China is the worlds largest producer of hydroelectricity

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then why you use a lot of coals plants if you produce a lot of electricity by solar panels?


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A micro hydro power station producing 200 kW of continuous power costs around €800,000, or €4,000 per kilowatt.
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Solar power costs around €2,000 per kilowatt. This may seem cheaper, but to produce 200 kW of continuous power, a solar array would need a capacity of up to 2,000 kWp. That means a solar panel array with equal output to a 200 kW water turbine would cost €2.4 million.


The choice between micro hydro power stations and solar panel arrays is a no-brainer. If a viable river is available, micro hydro power takes up much less space, has much lower setup costs, pays for itself in just a few years, it will produce more energy for the same installed capacity of a solar plant and is a lot easier to maintain.



Here it is a political issue but also a technical problem
 

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then why you use a lot of coals plants if you produce a lot of electricity by solar panels?


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A micro hydro power station producing 200 kW of continuous power costs around €800,000, or €4,000 per kilowatt.
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Solar power costs around €2,000 per kilowatt. This may seem cheaper, but to produce 200 kW of continuous power, a solar array would need a capacity of up to 2,000 kWp. That means a solar panel array with equal output to a 200 kW water turbine would cost €2.4 million.


The choice between micro hydro power stations and solar panel arrays is a no-brainer. If a viable river is available, micro hydro power takes up much less space, has much lower setup costs, pays for itself in just a few years, it will produce more energy for the same installed capacity of a solar plant and is a lot easier to maintain.



Here it is a political issue but also a technical problem
  1. Abundance and Accessibility: Coal is one of the most abundant fossil fuels in the world, with large deposits in various countries including China, the United States, Russia, and India. It is relatively easy to access compared to other energy sources, making it a convenient choice for energy production.
  2. Cost-effectiveness: Historically, coal has been a cost-effective option for generating electricity. The technology for burning coal is well-established and mature, which has led to economies of scale and lower production costs.
  3. Energy Density: Coal has a high energy density, which means a small amount of coal can release a large amount of energy when burned. This is particularly beneficial for electricity generation where large amounts of energy are required.
  4. Job Creation: The coal industry provides numerous job opportunities, from mining to power plant operations, contributing to economic growth and local employment.
  5. Infrastructure: Many countries, especially those with a long history of coal use, have existing infrastructure for coal mining and power generation. This infrastructure can be utilized without the need for significant additional investment.
  6. Energy Security: Coal can contribute to energy security by diversifying the energy mix of a country. Relying less on imported fuels can enhance energy independence.
  7. Technological Advancements: Over the years, there have been significant advancements in clean coal technologies, which aim to reduce the environmental impact of burning coal. These technologies include carbon capture and storage (CCS) and flue gas desulfurization (FGD) to reduce sulfur dioxide emissions.
 

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  1. Abundance and Accessibility: Coal is one of the most abundant fossil fuels in the world, with large deposits in various countries including China, the United States, Russia, and India. It is relatively easy to access compared to other energy sources, making it a convenient choice for energy production.
  2. Cost-effectiveness: Historically, coal has been a cost-effective option for generating electricity. The technology for burning coal is well-established and mature, which has led to economies of scale and lower production costs.
  3. Energy Density: Coal has a high energy density, which means a small amount of coal can release a large amount of energy when burned. This is particularly beneficial for electricity generation where large amounts of energy are required.
  4. Job Creation: The coal industry provides numerous job opportunities, from mining to power plant operations, contributing to economic growth and local employment.
  5. Infrastructure: Many countries, especially those with a long history of coal use, have existing infrastructure for coal mining and power generation. This infrastructure can be utilized without the need for significant additional investment.
  6. Energy Security: Coal can contribute to energy security by diversifying the energy mix of a country. Relying less on imported fuels can enhance energy independence.
  7. Technological Advancements: Over the years, there have been significant advancements in clean coal technologies, which aim to reduce the environmental impact of burning coal. These technologies include carbon capture and storage (CCS) and flue gas desulfurization (FGD) to reduce sulfur dioxide emissions.
the demand is too high, you can not replace with solar panels all the coal plants the reality is technical indeed but your consumption habits political.

So China is a big polluter.

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divide per capita China produces 1/2 of Brazil and 1/8 per capita for a Canadian
 

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the demand is too high, you can not replace with solar panels all the coal plants the reality is technical indeed but your consumption habits political.

So China is a big polluter.

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divide per capita China produces 1/2 of Brazil and 1/8 per capita for a Canadian
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Here are the Top 10 geothermal countries as of year-end 2023:

  • United States* – 3,900 MW (updated our numbers as per the notes below)
  • Indonesia – 2,418 MW – with a last minute addition for 2023 at Sorik Marapi
  • Philippines – 1,952 MW – updated numbers by DOE
  • Turkiye – 1,691 MW – corrected numbers based on official license numbers by the Turkish authorities
  • New Zealand – 1,042 MW – based on official numbers by the national regulator
  • Kenya – 985 MW – addition of the first 35 MW of three plants at Menegai coming online in 2023 and some updates by numbers reported by KenGen (the country is inching closer to joining the Geothermal GW Country Club)
  • Mexico – 976 MW – no change, yet updated numbers from the Ministry of Energy
  • Italy – 916 MW – correction of our reporting of early 2023.
  • Iceland – 754 MW
  • Japan – 576 MW – corrections of plants and number based on official

the problem is always per capita and the % of the demand for example Kenya has more electricity per caita than Mexico same Italy, but Japan is behind

New Zealand and Iceland are the real super powers of geothermal energy.
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Brazil has a lower environmental footprint since for its electricity generations come more from renewables.

China then is polluting more and that will not change with EV cars since most generation of electricity come from coal
 

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Here are the Top 10 geothermal countries as of year-end 2023:

  • United States* – 3,900 MW (updated our numbers as per the notes below)
  • Indonesia – 2,418 MW – with a last minute addition for 2023 at Sorik Marapi
  • Philippines – 1,952 MW – updated numbers by DOE
  • Turkiye – 1,691 MW – corrected numbers based on official license numbers by the Turkish authorities
  • New Zealand – 1,042 MW – based on official numbers by the national regulator
  • Kenya – 985 MW – addition of the first 35 MW of three plants at Menegai coming online in 2023 and some updates by numbers reported by KenGen (the country is inching closer to joining the Geothermal GW Country Club)
  • Mexico – 976 MW – no change, yet updated numbers from the Ministry of Energy
  • Italy – 916 MW – correction of our reporting of early 2023.
  • Iceland – 754 MW
  • Japan – 576 MW – corrections of plants and number based on official

the problem is always per capita and the % of the demand for example Kenya has more electricity per caita than Mexico same Italy, but Japan is behind

New Zealand and Iceland are the real super powers o geotherman energy.
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Brazil has a lower environmental footprint since for its electricity generations come more from renewables.

China then is polluting more and that will not change with EV cars since most generation of electricity come from coal
So what do you suggest?
 

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So what do you suggest?
it is a hard one here, being unbias, if you continue polluting health troubles will continue, but in terms of transportation China should concentrate in public transportation, bicycles and stop producing trash for export.

A lot of the export markets will reduce because other countries will defend their markets and a lot of chinese exports are trash, just generating trash a lot of plastic.

You can chose your health or a tupid market consumist model that will destroy the environment and your health
 

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it is a hard one here, being unbias, if you continue polluting health troubles will continue, but in terms of transportation China should concentrate in public transportation, bicycles and stop producing trash for export.

A lot of the export markets will reduce because other countries will defend their markets and a lot of chinese exports are trash, just generating trash a lot of plastic.

You can chose your health od a tupid market consumist model that will destroy the environment and your health

Just these empty words?
 

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Just these empty words?
not empty words
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you can chose but not empty words
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chose
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In the past decade, the Chinese government has implemented a series of rigorous policies and measures for air pollution control, such as the Air Pollution Prevention and Control Action Plan (2013–2017, referred to as CAP for short) and the Three-Year Action Plan to Win the Battle for a Blue Sky (2018–2020). Substantial improvements in air quality have been achieved following these actions (Figure 1). As shown in Figure 2, the annual average population-weighted PM2.5 concentrations have started to decline remarkably since 2013, but were still well beyond the global means. The annual average concentrations of PM2.5 and PM10 were 30 μg/m3 and 54 μg/m3 in 339 major Chinese cities in 2021, which are slightly lower than the current China AQS (35 μg/m3 for PM2.5 and 70 μg/m3 for PM10) but remain significantly higher than levels in the updated WHO AQG (5 μg/m3 for PM2.5 and 15 μg/m3 for PM10). The number of premature deaths and disability adjusted life years attributable to PM2.5 in China continues to increase, although this increasing trend is relatively modest compared with the global average (Figure 2).4

PM has recently been associated with mental disorders, which is becoming one of the major contributors to disease burden.
A nationwide time-series study in 252 Chinese cities based on data from HQMS reported that each 10-μg/m3 increase in PM2.5 was associated with 0.21% increase in hospital admissions for mental and behavioral disorders on the concurrent day. Using data from the UEBMI and the Urban Resident-based Basic Medical Insurance (URBMI) database, Gu et al. conducted a time-series analysis in 75 cities. They found a 0.52% increase in depression hospital admissions per 10-μg/m3 increase in PM2.5.15 In a case-crossover study in 26 Chinese cities, Wang et al. also reported a positive association between short-term PM exposure and the number of hospital admissions for depression (2.92% and 3.55% increases per interquartile range (IQR) change of PM2.5 and PM10, respectively).16 In a time-series study using the data of 56 cities from UEBMI and URBMI database, Ma et al. found that daily hospital admissions for anxiety were only marginally significantly associated with PM2.5.17

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you are really a typical chang

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China produces close to 31% of plastic got it?

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But per person is low now under the current comsumption trend you export that plastic and on a lower per capita waste generation
Which Country Tops the Rubbish Production List?
As you’d expect of a country with a population of 1.4 billion, China produces the most municipal solid waste (over 15%). However, considering in terms of population, the US generates the most waste per person. The United States makes up around 5% of the world’s population but produces 12% of the solid waste. It also takes the title of the biggest producer of food waste in the world.

What might surprise you is that Denmark produces the most waste per person in Europe. That’s right, the Scandinavian nation with a clean, green reputation produces as much waste per head as the US.

When it comes to industrial, agricultural, and hazardous waste, Canada tops the charts. This is mainly due to the prevalence of heavy industries like oil refining and metal manufacturing.




American styled consumption will mean China will be even a worse polluter than now that has a lower per capita waste generation
 

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you are really a typical chang

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China produces close to 31% of plastic got it?

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But per person is low now under the current comsumption trend you export that plastic and on a lower per capita waste generation
Which Country Tops the Rubbish Production List?
As you’d expect of a country with a population of 1.4 billion, China produces the most municipal solid waste (over 15%). However, considering in terms of population, the US generates the most waste per person. The United States makes up around 5% of the world’s population but produces 12% of the solid waste. It also takes the title of the biggest producer of food waste in the world.

What might surprise you is that Denmark produces the most waste per person in Europe. That’s right, the Scandinavian nation with a clean, green reputation produces as much waste per head as the US.

When it comes to industrial, agricultural, and hazardous waste, Canada tops the charts. This is mainly due to the prevalence of heavy industries like oil refining and metal manufacturing.




American styled consumption will mean China will be even a worse polluter than now that has a lower per capita waste generation
Where there is demand, there is supply.

As long as Westerners like plastic, there will be production, no matter where it is made.

You should educate westerners to reject plastic.
 

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Where there is demand, there is supply.

As long as Westerners like plastic, there will be production, no matter where it is made.

You should educate westerners to reject plastic.
NO moron do not be stupid, most developed countries do have better waste disposal and treatment than developing countries that is the reason japan or Norway have better rivers than China or Mexico, our nations are being polluted by our corrupt politicians, and if the demand of consumption is higher than the ability to recycle then pollution becomes a real issue. only 5% of lithium batteries are recycled, you continue building coal plants, do not be so stupid and narrow minded.

China has monopoly of rare earth at the expense of polluting your own country, they let you pollute your land, same way Chile or Bolivia are destroying their soil and polluting their rivers.


Do not be so stupid China needs to reverse to public transportation and stop using coal generated electricity for industrial production for goods for export, which no one will buy since China wants to detroy other countries industries and tariffs will emerge.
 

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