China and the United States Are Preparing for War

[sgarg]

No smoking...India feels like it has great future and therefore, it has no desire to get into petty fights with Pakistan. The reality is (1) China can not use Paki as proxy because that way China will lose potential 100s of billions of business and profits from trading with 1.2 billions strong India. What can Paki give to China other than terrorism and constant asking for aid and help. Chinese leaders know this simple Math. (2) If some stupid Chinese leader decides to use Paki ,it will create a 100 years of enmity between India and China and that's what Paki and its handlers want. That way, Paki can remain relevant ....as a spoiler and troublemaker. So, Let wisdom prevail and let China and India grow and develop together with peace and harmony. Don't let Paki create a permanent rift between two ancient, great civilizations.

The Chinese may not give weight to trade with India. There may be a plan against India. The sum total of Chinese posters indicates that a plan against India cannot be ruled out.
However the plan will not succeed.

 

[LalTopi]

That is where most of Indians fails to understand here: the last thing Chinese wants from Pakistan is a war between Pakistan and India.

That is what most Chinese fail to understand here: the first thing Pakistan wants from China is a war between China and India.

 

[no smoking]

No smoking...India feels like it has great future and therefore, it has no desire to get into petty fights with Pakistan. The reality is (1) China can not use Paki as proxy because that way China will lose potential 100s of billions of business and profits from trading with 1.2 billions strong India. What can Paki give to China other than terrorism and constant asking for aid and help. Chinese leaders know this simple Math. (2) If some stupid Chinese leader decides to use Paki ,it will create a 100 years of enmity between India and China and that's what Paki and its handlers want. That way, Paki can remain relevant ....as a spoiler and troublemaker. So, Let wisdom prevail and let China and India grow and develop together with peace and harmony. Don't let Paki create a permanent rift between two ancient, great civilizations.

No, we don't need to use Pakistan, the problem between you two already existed even before PRC was founded.
All China need to do is keep this problem there.

 

[no smoking]

That is what most Chinese fail to understand here: the first thing Pakistan wants from China is a war between China and India.

Then that is what most Indians failed to understand here: what Pakistan wants doesn't matter--Chinese can stop Pakistan from initiating a war while Pakistan can't make Chinese getting into a war.

 

[no smoking]

I see communist government of China not lasting very long. The political system in China is ripe for change. China has already abandoned most principles of communism.

India may look weak to outsiders but this is an illusion. India has lot of strength. It is not easy to take on India.

Pakistan is on the brink of disaster trying to destroy India. It is killing very elements which gave it "strategic depth" just a few years back.

See, you start to wish as well.

 

[sgarg]

Then that is what most Indians failed to understand here: what Pakistan wants doesn't matter--Chinese can stop Pakistan from initiating a war while Pakistan can't make Chinese getting into a war.

China cannot change the turn of events. Unfortunately its the Chinese people who suffer. Chinese people have no voice. The insulated Chinese elite does not care.

India has a different political system. India values its democracy. This democracy has worked for people despite the numerous problems India inherited at the time of independence.

I shall give you a solid example. Pakistan should be compared to Indian States of Punjab, Haryana and Gujarat, and not the whole India, as these states of India have the population traits comparable to Pakistani states of Punjab and Sindh. Pakistan contains some of the best agricultural land of South Asia. The Pakistani part of Punjab was the richest part of undivided India.

2012 GDP -
Haryana 345238 cr
Punjab 286809 cr
Gujarat 594563 cr

Total 1226610 cr = 227.17 billion USD

Pakistan 2012 GDP = 213.69 billion USD (total for entire country as figures for Punjab and Sindh are not available separately)

The figures speak for themselves. Pakistan gets aid from USA, China, and Saudi Arabia + inward remittances from overseas Pakistani which total at least 20 billion USD of free money. Despite that it produces GDP less than three contiguous Indian States. You need to ask yourself why it is so.

Let me also add the population lest you accuse me of comparing dissimilar size:

Punjab 27.7 miliion
Haryana 25.35 million
Gujarat 60.38 million

Total 113.3 million

Pakistan population 182 million

 

[sgarg]

@no smoking, if you are really Chinese, you would know that Chinese value history.

So a little bit of history for you. Pakistan represented 25% of the GDP of India in 1948.

Now Pakistan has managed to drop to less than 12% of GDP of India in the period 1947-2012.

You need to ask yourself how Pakistan managed to do this.

And let me remind you, India was heavily socialist till 1990 while Pakistan never adopted socialism. India's economic performance is practically for the period 1990+.

 

[sgarg]

See, you start to wish as well.

My wishes come true. I predict collapse of communist government in China in the next eight years.

China may wish ill-will to India but China will fail. All the might of China will fail to bring results in India.

 

[CCP]

@no smoking, if you are really Chinese, you would know that Chinese value history.

So a little bit of history for you. Pakistan represented 25% of the GDP of India in 1948.

Now Pakistan has managed to drop to less than 12% of GDP of India in the period 1947-2012.

You need to ask yourself how Pakistan managed to do this.

And let me remind you, India was heavily socialist till 1990 while Pakistan never adopted socialism. India's economic performance is practically for the period 1990+.

So a little bit of history for you. India represented 100%+ of the GDP of China in 1948.

Now India has managed to drop to 19.82% of GDP of China in the period 1947-2013.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[sgarg]

So a little bit of history for you. India represented 100%+ of the GDP of China in 1948.

Now India has managed to drop to 19.82% of GDP of China in the period 1947-2013.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

China and India cannot be compared. Nations are made of people. Chinese people have different traits compared to Indians.

You must compare China with Japan or South Korea or Taiwan; people who have similar traits.

India is NOT a homogeneous country like China.

It is people that create wealth and build nations; not vice-versa.

 

[sgarg]

@CCP, a political system lasts as long as its principles are upheld.

China has given up its socialism. Pakistan's foundations are shaking today when it strikes militant Islam.

India faces no such fundamental threat.

India faces a military threat. Chinese may assume that India can be defeated easily out of ignorance. They may try something. They will realize their folly.

 

[prohumanity]

So a little bit of history for you. India represented 100%+ of the GDP of China in 1948.

Now India has managed to drop to 19.82% of GDP of China in the period 1947-2013.

List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CCP, Do your Communist controlled media ever told you that the economic growth of China came after 1975 when Deng zio ping made a secret deal with Richard Nixon . US wanted China to help defeat USSR and in return gave China MFN..means whatever China manufactures will be bought by US consumers..THAT'S why Chinese economy did so well for 20 years...and now Chinese economy is in tailspin because US is not buying even 50% of its goods. Chinese economy has been very dependent on just one country..and that is US. India's economy has been closed and all growth came from domestic consumption that's why it grew slower .
Coming to Paki question....Using and instigating Pakistan against India will lead to lots of pain for China...its not 1962...India is much more powerful and can take care of its interests. More provocation by Paki. inspired by any outside power will lead to more violence ,more terrorism and more deaths and if terrorism spreads, soon China will be in the grip of terrorism....and to fight terrorists, If Indians start using the same methods..the entire region will be doomed including China. Forcing 1.2 billion Indians to take up arms and destroy terrorism will be end Paki and cost that outside power immensely.
The important thing to watch is how much Old Commies control China in next 10 years ? I predict..Communist influence will dwindle down and old policies of conflict will be buried by new Chinese leaders.
The new govt.of India is on right track...it is making its military so powerful to no power on Earth can dare to threaten India.

 

[no smoking]

of-course u are innocent, wait&see the day India give nukes&arms to Vietnam/Taiwan/Philip/Jpn... Indians will say "No, we don't need to use any of them, the problem between you already existed even before India's independence (1947)."

You can keep laughing.
The problem is: not a single one in your list asking for Indian nuke and India is in no position to give nuke to any of them.
Dream is always good.

 

[CCP]

of-course u are innocent, wait&see the day India give nukes&arms to Vietnam/Taiwan/Philip/Jpn... Indians will say "No, we don't need to use any of them, the problem between you already existed even before India's independence (1947)."

Your nukes & arms are jokes.

read India's part at
List of nuclear weapons tests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

May 11, 1998: Operation Shakti (type: implosion, 3 uranium and 2 plutonium devices, all underground). The Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) of India and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) simultaneously conducted a test of three nuclear devices at the Indian Army Pokhran Test Range (IAPTR) on May 11, 1998. Two days later, on May 13, the AEC and DRDO carried out a test of two further nuclear devices, detonated simultaneously. During this operation, AEC India claimed to have tested a three-stage thermonuclear device (Teller-Ulam design), but the yield of the tests was significantly lower than that expected from thermonuclear devices. The yields remain questionable, at best, by Western and Indian scholars, estimated at 20kt-45kt.

 

[no smoking]

@no smoking, if you are really Chinese, you would know that Chinese value history.

So a little bit of history for you. Pakistan represented 25% of the GDP of India in 1948.

Now Pakistan has managed to drop to less than 12% of GDP of India in the period 1947-2012.

You need to ask yourself how Pakistan managed to do this.

You still don't get it: we don't care how a terrible life Pakistan people is living. That is their government's concern, not ours.
As long as they are willing to stand up against India, we will keep helping them.

And let me remind you, India was heavily socialist till 1990 while Pakistan never adopted socialism. India's economic performance is practically for the period 1990+.

Also, let me remind you, China was even more socialist until 1978.
At the time, China VS India:
total GDP: 214.2b VS 135.8b
GDP per capita: 224 VS 204

 

[CCP]

Read it carefully,India is the only country in the world which has robust front/back end good relations& support from tech/arms super powers like US,Rus,Isr,UK.If India wants it can easily import any weapon/arms from anywhere,but u can't .As far as mfg of weapons,we started just now wait &see

LOL, import more.

 

[Ray]

LOL, import more.

It appears that it is giving you the fright of your life.

 

[CCP]

It appears that it is giving you the fright of your life.

People can only find India in history book after next China-India war.

So, who cares what you import today.

 

[Illusive]

LOL, import more.

China is 3rd largest importer of arms, and 10-12 years ago you were the top importers of arms like we are today, doen't mean we dont have a defence industry, its not up to that level where we can meet all the requirements of our armed forces, long way to go.

So don't lol, every homegrown defence industry needs time to mature. You'll see similar trend of larger R&D spending when India's economy grows larger.

 

[Ray]

People can only find India in history book after next China-India war.

So, who cares what you import today.

If that be so, then why bother to post an inane comment?

That apart, History books will speak of Independent Xinjiang, if not Tibet and it will not be of India's bidding.

It is because the Muslim world will bulldoze China back to its original borders.

Then China will care.