Chengdu J-10 'Vigorous Dragon'

[Vladimir79]

Look care fully there is a design difference in the engine intakes of the lavi and the J-10S , which is not to say that the Chinese did not copy the LAVI we all know they did.

It is the Lavi with redesigned intakes. They needed it to fit RD-93 to it. The prototype attained from IAI didn't have it.

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

It is the Lavi with redesigned intakes. They needed it to fit RD-93 to it. The prototype attained from IAI didn't have it.

Lavi or not, its called J-10 now. Why do you find it difficult to acknowledge that? Why will a state run media embarrass itself by publishing a fighter which it does not have?

 

[Vladimir79]

Lavi or not, its called J-10 now. Why do you find it difficult to acknowledge that? Why will a state run media embarrass itself by publishing a fighter which it does not have?

CCP publishes things they don't have all the time. It is called propaganda. They have IAI's Lavi prototype. They studied it to make J-10 which is quite a bit different than that "thing" they want to call J-10S. If they could have made that "thing" it would have turned out to be the J-10 final design; but they couldn't. The only thing those pictures prove is they got the actual Lavi prototype and Russian engineers were telling the truth.

 

[stuka]

J-10's engine has been replacing from AF-31 to TAIHANG(ws-10). So exporting J-10 is available for China itself.

PAK may obtain the J-10 in few years if the price is pin down by China and PAK.
The negotiation has almost succeed but the final price left behind. I have been told that the key point which China and PAK dicussed a lot is the approved J-10 producting line in PAK.
IF the Negotiation will be succeed in this year or early next year. PAK will get their new fighters( J-10) by 2015. However, it is obvious that exporting J-10 can not make any unbalance between India and PAK cause India has already owned SU-30 and other 3rd G fighters.

 

[aimarraul]

Chengdu Flies Chinese-powered J-10 Fighter
By: David Donald
August 8, 2011
Military Aircraft

Aircraft 1035 is the first J-10 to be seen with the Chinese WS-10 engine since the early prototypes. The engine can be distinguished from the Russian AL-31FN by the profile of the nozzle.

The design institute at Chengdu flew a J-10B development aircraft fitted with the indigenous Shenyang Liming WS-10A Taihang engine at the end of July. All previous J-10s, apart from the first few prototypes, have flown with the Russian AL-31FN engine. The aircraft with the homegrown engine is coded "1035" and is presumably the fifth J-10B prototype, although that number may include a ground-test article.
The WS-10 has always been the intended powerplant for the J-10, but problems with its development led to an early switch to the Russian powerplant. The J-10B flight trials suggest that the engine has matured enough to now be considered for a single-engine application. Clearance of the Taihang engine would make the J-10 an "all-Chinese" aircraft, available for export without any external restrictions.
Meanwhile, an uncorroborated report of comments attributed to a high-ranking official at the Chengdu facility stated that the J-10B is about to enter production for the Chinese air force, and that the first unit of approximately 10 aircraft (with AL-31FN engines) could be delivered by year-end.
According to this same report, production of the J-10B, which features active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and a diverterless supersonic intake, would proceed alongside that of the J-10A for some time. Chengdu Flies Chinese-powered J-10 Fighter: AINonline

 

[aimarraul]

 

[himanshugoswami]

thats a nice looking jet and shows some evolution over the J-10A. Chinese aviation has surely made rapid strides, while we are still mired in bureaucracy!!

 

[ace009]

Nice pict.
Can you post the specs for the J-10B?

 

[aimarraul]

Nice pict.
Can you post the specs for the J-10B?

J-10B Vigorous Dragon


The latest 1035 prototype of the J-10B was photographed at CAC airfield in July 2011, revealing the indigenous WS-10B (?) turbofan engine. This much improved variant (1031 prototype) made its maiden flight on December 23, 2008, powered by a Russian AL-31FN engine. The improvements include a DSI/bump engine inlet which not only cuts weight but also reduces RCS, after a similar design was first tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. The aircraft also features a J-11B style IRST/LR and a wide-angle holographic HUD. IRST enables passive detection of enemy aircraft, making J-10B more stealthy in combat. Its nose appears flatter too, similar to that of American F-16, and fire-control radar is thought to be an X-band AESA developed by the 14th Institute, the first of such type ever being developed for a Chinese fighter aircraft, giving J-10B a stronger multi-target engagement and ECCM capability. Two large pods housing testing equipments are attached under the wings. The tip of vertical tailfin was redesigned as well, featuring a large fairing containing communication and ECM antennas, which resembles that of French Mirage 2000. A rear facing MAWS sensor can be seen underneath the parachute boom. A similar system was tested onboard FC-1/JF-17. RAM coating is also expected in certain areas such as engine inlet and wing leading edges to reduce RCS. The aircraft may be fitted with CFTs in the future to further extend its range. All these improvements suggest that J-10B is equipped with a new generation of integrated electronic system, ranging from radar to EW system. Its mission may be changed from air-superiority to multi-role, such as CAS or EW. For air-superiority mission, normally 6 AAMs (PL-12x4 + PL-8x2, PL-12s are carried underneath the twin-rail launch pylon) can be carried. For CAS mission, normally 2 KD-88 AGMs or LS-500J LGBs can be carried. In addition, the aircraft is expected to be powered eventually by a WS-10B turbofan. Overall J-10B is thought to be comparable to American F-16E/Block 60. The 03 prototype first flew in August 2009, with the pitot tube removed from the nose tip. Both 1031 & 1034 prototypes are currently being tested at CFTE. J-10B is very likely to serve as a testbed for various advanced technologies adopted by the 4th generation J-20 (see below) currently under development at CAC thus may not enter the service in large quantity with PLAAF. The production of J-10B is expected to be imminent (07 batch?).
- Last Updated 9/7/11

 

[aimarraul]

new video and pictures 9.14

 

[black eagle]

The very first difference I notice is an extensively redesigned air-intake. But what is that bulge in the upper portion of the intake? Is it some sort of sensor or something else????

 

[asianobserve]

The very first difference I notice is an extensively redesigned air-intake. But what is that bulge in the upper portion of the intake? Is it some sort of sensor or something else????

I think that's suppose to mask the turbine blades to reduce frontal rcs. Notice the F-35 air intakes. It's got the same bulge.

 

[asianobserve]

It looks like an adams apple on the J-10B though...

 

[nimo_cn]

Now the engine issue is solved, when is China gonna export it?

 

[jat]

Question regarding deployment of J-10

I've noticed that the PLAAF operate its J-11's around land only while Su-30MKK get deployed over coastal waters.
You can tell by noticing the J-11's lack of inflight refueling probe. The Su-30MKK has it the J-11's do not while the J-10's do.
Why is that? Are J-10s are deployed with PLAN air arm but the J-10 for the PLAAF also has inflight refueling probe?
Is lack of internal fuel? Is the AL31 a gas guzzler?
The J-8's also have inflight refueling probe.
any suggestions?
Is it not more prudent to deploy twin engine aircraft for coastal defense?
The Al-31 does have issues with reliability. That much is known, some J-10's were taken down by the Al-31 engine.
is there a picture of J-10's flying with ASM?

 

[Armand2REP]

There are no plans for PLANAF to operate the J-10. Only one engine is a liability for naval aircraft.

 

[jat]

Actually, the PLAN does seem to have J-10s. According to internet sources anyways.

 

[shiphone]

PLANAF got a J10A unit as Air Superiority Fighter this year...and more than 100 JH7s and JH7As are used for Anti-ship mission,so we didn't see J10 with ASM.

AL31Fn is a especially improved model for single engine jet...but we found it was a little unreliable ... there were some flame-out in flights reported and some cause accidents and casualties, as we know, 3 of 4 accidents is because of the engine problem...and at least another 2 jets were reported saved finally after flame out in flights.

the 28 IL76+6 IL78s contract signed in 2005 was hold for years. so these around 100 Su30MKK can't use the inflight refueling probe and it isn't fit for the HU-6 refuelling plane ,but J8D/F/H and J10 can.

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the famous land based PLANAF 'Sea eagle' Regiment. 16 J10A + 8 J10S...

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J10 flying over south china sea...PLAAF unit 2009 news

 

[shiphone]

J10 flying over south china sea and inflight refuling training... some PLAAF unit

2009 news pix...

 

[hbogyt]

I heard that years ago, the reason they designed the detachable inflight refueling probe on the J-8 was to reach South China Sea in the event of regional tensions.