Bullpup Assault Rifles

[Kunal Biswas]

DAR-21

It would be interesting if you provide additional information..

 

[Saumyasupraik]

It would be interesting if you provide additional information..

DAEWOO PRECISION INDUSTRIES of South Korea shown this new Bull-Pup weapons
system at the IDEX (INTERNATIONAL DEFENCE EXIBITION AND CONFERENCE) 2003,
which took place at ABU DHABI, United Arab Emirates, in the days immediately
before the brokeout of the "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

The DAR-21 is a bull-pup assault rifle entirely made of polymer plastic
in its exterior. It is chambered for the .5'56x45mm-NATO cartridge, and
it will feed by every STANAG-compatible magazine or feeding device. Its
entire lenght is 780 Millimeters, with 20" barrel (although a 400mm long
carbine is available), and its weight is of 3,8 Kilograms when unloaded.
The DAR-21 assault rifle is gas-operated, works using a short-stroke hammer
and a rotating bolt. Its barrel rifling is 6 Grooves, RH, pitch in 1:7,3",
unusually long since most of the rifles that feed the SS109, 62 grains .223
bullets stabilize it using a 1:7,0" pitch. It features many tactical rails
for the mounting of optics, scopes and other optional features, both on
the frame itself and close to the barrel. The DAR-21 however comes with
a removable 3x scope.

Currently, the DAR-21 Bull-Pup assault weapons system is NOT readily usable
by left-handed personnel, since both the cocking handle (foldable and placed
on the left side) and the spent cases ejection port (placed on the right
side) cannot be inverted.

The DAR-21 bull-pup rifle has a trigger group for Safe, Semi-Auto, 3-Rounds
Bursts and Fully-Automatic fire, with a cyclic rate of 800 Rounds Per Minute.
DAEWOO PRECISION INDUSTRIES offer many accessories for this weapon, including
a laser aiming module with both visible/infrared beamshot, and a foregrip.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Trijicon ACOG & Reflex Sight

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[pmaitra]

Fnh p-90

FNH P-90

 

[pmaitra]

SA-80 Vs Steyr AUG

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I will go for none..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

FN-2000

TAR-21

 

[Scalieback]

ScalieBack, while you are discussing, may I request you, when you get an opportunity, to go to this thread (click) and comment on the SA80? We would like to know as much as we can from a person who has had first hand experience, something that we cannot get off the internet.

It's one of the things I've wanted to do, but three threads, trying to answer everyone and actually get some facts that don't keep moving .......

I'll have a look in a mo.

Basically, it's the most accurate and reliable bullpup rifle in the world according to trials. It's seen operational use in extreme temperatures and worked fine from +50C to -25C. It is adaptable and now has a different flash eliminator and sight. The latter was Acog, but moving to something else I can't recall the name. It now has M1913 Picatiinny rails which allow the attachment of various items including a standard issue bipod.

It is however, living with the baggage from when it was first issued in the A1 version. It is also heavier than its competitors, which is an aid to firing and recoil, not that there's much with 5.56 anyway

Overall a good rifle, but for one reason or another I'd rather have a heavy barrel H&K 416 personally.

 

[Scalieback]

Modern Firearms - SA80 / L85

The current L85A2 rifles are recognized as reliable and very accurate,especially when using standard issue SUSAT telescope sights. The drawbacks of the L85A2 are somewhat poor balance (which can be improved with installation of HK-made 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher), right-side only extraction and rearward placement of the fire mode selector.

I disagree on balance. It's fine when being fired and if you know how to carry it, the balance isn't an issue imho.

'Right side only ejection' is only a problem if you desperately need to fire it from the left shoulder. However, even in the SLR days (yes, I'm that old), firing from the left shoulder meant your sight picture was not the same and if you weren't both eye dominant and practised firing from that shoulder, only good for a few rounds in the general direction. Obviously, the best solution for a bullpup rifle would be downward ejecting cases.

Putting a H&K UGL on it adds to the weight obviously.

The current L85A2:

With 40mm UGL:

 

[pmaitra]

Discussions related to L1A1, FN-FAL, SLR, etc., moved here: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/land-forces/3796-assault-rifle.html

 

[shubhamsaikia]

But i never heard of soldier who will prefer to injure foe so that he could anoither chance to inflict damage on u rather than kill him.This is the same doctrine which objected using belt fed MGs saying they are heavy and now they had reversed it.

INSAS was made to injure than kill. And India still follows that poilicy for 2 reasons.
a. During war, injuring proves to be more burdensome because if you injure one soldier another has to rescue/provide medic. Besides cost increase.
b. In CI/CT ops like India, its at times advantageous if u injure than kill. Might just extract some info.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

INSAS was made to injure than kill. And India still follows that poilicy for 2 reasons.

b. In CI/CT ops like India, its at times advantageous if u injure than kill. Might just extract some info.

B. No, They are meant to be dead, there are other ways to gather intel, Its not always reliable to catch tangos extract some info, They usually give wrong info..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

KALTEC RFB

 

[Akim]

The Vepr (Ukrainian: Вепрь, wild boar) was announced in 2003 as the first indigenous Ukrainian assault rifle, designed by the National Space Agency of Ukraine. Note that on the Ukrainian Government Portal website (see below in External Links), the Vepr is classed as a sub-machinegun. It is one of several bullpup conversions of the conventional AK-47 design, along with the Polish Kbk wz. 2005 Jantar, the Chinese Norinco Type 86S, the Russian KBP A-91 and OTs-14 Groza, the Finnish Valmet M82 and the South African Vektor CR-21.

Although the Vepr has been proclaimed as a revolutionary upgrade to the AK-74, it is, in fact, an interesting yet fairly simple modification of the basic AK-74 system in a bullpup design, with the following modifications:

* The standard gas-operated, rotating-bolt AK-74 mechanism is removed from its furniture and a new butt plate is mounted directly on the rear of the receiver;
* A polymer cheek rest is fitted to the receiver cover;
* The trigger and pistol grip are placed in front of the magazine;
* The cocking handle is removed from the bolt carrier and a new cocking handle arrangement is placed on the left side of the forearm.

Bad assault rifle,military tests did not even pass. The pile of moneys was distinguished them, and they did banal alteration of AK- 74. Now other rifles pass tests.

 

[pmaitra]

Bad assault rifle,military tests did not even pass. The pile of moneys was distinguished them, and they did banal alteration of AK- 74. Now other rifles pass tests.

Of course it would never pass. It is a shoddy conversion of a standard Kalashnikov into a Bull-pup. There are two serious flaws: (1) the ejection port, and (2) the charging handle which can rip your cheek and jaw off if tried in left handed position. Unless these two issues are sorted out, it's a no-no.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[ALBY]

what is the reason behind the buullpups low acceptance level among special forces units among the world barring india and israel?Just take the case of briton and france they makes SA80 and FAMAS resply,still their special forces rely on G36,and C8 riifles mainly.None of other SF units are known to have using them either in large numbers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

There are bullpups and there are good and bad bullpups..

Famas is not a very good bullpup where as tarvor is a good one in sense of handling and design still French SF GSGN use famas as well as HK416/7 like Paras with TAR-21 and M4..

FN-2000 is used by many SF groups in world wide so does tar-21, The operators are many you can see the details from first page..

 

[s002wjh]

convert m14 to a bullpup