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The test firing of light APC Dozor, equipped with the gun GSH-23L.
 
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Why is car shaking for every round fired?
Ammunition powerful, enough for 6 ton machine. Therefore, the module is not stable. Missing the opportunity of firing on the move. Stable modules for it with a 12.7 or 14.5-mm machine guns.
My opinion is he such a module is not needed.
 
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BTR-4 with a German engine Deutz (see shot above). Initially, the BTR-4 was created under series engines 3ТD. This engine is created on the basis 6ТD tank, so it has all the disadvantages. He's a two-stroke, so quite loud and voracious. He has a low service life. However, it has a psychological advantage. When approaching the BTR-4, the enemy hears that riding a tank. :biggrin2: Besides 3ТD - multi-fuel.
 

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Right to left: heavy armored personnel carriers BTR-4E1, medium APC BTR-3DA, lignt APC - Dozor-B. the Last - modernization of BMP-1.
 

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Barys(mbombe 8x8), Kazakhstan, presented at KADEX a few days ago.
(To be)locally-assembled(By Paramount branch factory) wheeled APC/IFV.

Interestingly, presents significant integration of SAR and Russian parts(rumored engine, transmission, etc) for chassis.

Announced to be bought in two variants: "ifv" with Russia's Burevestnik AU-220m 57mm(!) RWS, shown on photo, as well as "apc" with Aselsan(Turkey) HMG RWS.
Ballistic protection STANAG 3+, mine - 4b(as expected from SAR).

Source: bmpd.livejournal.com
 
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Can at least 300-mm cannon to deliver, but what's the point? I think, today, effective calibers 35х228, 40х180 (West) and 37х195, 45х186 (USSR and China).
 

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Can at least 300-mm cannon to deliver, but what's the point? I think, today, effective calibers 35х228, 40х180 (West) and 37х195, 45х186 (USSR and China).
Well, with Khazakhstan geography(dominating landscapes - relatively flat semiarid/grass steppes or solt deserts; mountains&forested regions also in presence, but relatively few and very difficult for attacking side anyways) 57mm gun offers ability to engage everything in Line of Sight with direct fire. And visual horizon can reach very far in this environment.
Also, with modern sabot(I doubt they went this gun without prospects of getting such) - it's deadly for anything short of MBT. Since turret is fully external - main problem is ammo stowage(merely 80 rounds), even with decent lethality looks insufficient for prolonged mobile warfare with uncertain logistics(ww2 desert raids style). Can carry more within, Ofc. Same works in lots of countries with simillar(flat§undeveloped) battlefields, thus - export potential.

Also, smaller armies require equalisers by default.

For larger armies' IFVs 30mm+atgm, IMHO, is enough atm.

P.s. About bofors rounds for IFVs heard a lot about their inconvenience, stating 35mm to be better in anything but penetration.
37mm is old round with low prospective, 45mm looks like failed development.
 
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Well, with Khazakhstan geography(dominating landscapes - relatively flat semiarid/grass steppes or solt deserts; mountains&forested regions also in presence, but relatively few and very difficult for attacking side anyways) 57mm gun offers ability to engage everything in Line of Sight with direct fire. And visual horizon can reach very far in this environment.
Also, with modern sabot(I doubt they went this gun without prospects of getting such) - it's deadly for anything short of MBT. Since turret is fully external - main problem is ammo stowage(merely 80 rounds), even with decent lethality looks insufficient for prolonged mobile warfare with uncertain logistics(ww2 desert raids style). Can carry more within, Ofc. Same works in lots of countries with simillar(flat§undeveloped) battlefields, thus - export potential.

Also, smaller armies require equalisers by default.

For larger armies' IFVs 30mm+atgm, IMHO, is enough atm.

P.s. About bofors rounds for IFVs heard a lot about their inconvenience, stating 35mm to be better in anything but penetration.
37mm is old round with low prospective, 45mm looks like failed development.
57mm - excess. She still will not be able to destroy a tank.
 

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57mm - excess. She still will not be able to destroy a tank.
MBT isn't that important for such vehicke as target as target. A few can be dealt with through tacticsl means, and if wheeled IFVs have to engage heavy force in grasslands head on - something was done fundamentally wrong.
On the other hand, against current or even prospective "cavalry" vehicles, for example, French 6x6 with 40mm gun(scorpion, iirc) her gun will serve her well. AA capabilities should be also considered, expecially ability to threaten remote at helicopters§descend uavs with few rounds.
For possible unconventional threats from South("what if", but these really aren't excessively stable states),for example, hilluxes, 57mm gun with FCS&thermal is nearly a bane.
30mm can't engage quite as far with same precision, and only other solution in current Russian ammo lineup is 57mm C-60.

In short, - again, even if hugely oversized for common ifv of typical conventional force, in this particular case I think it's justified. Moreover, this turret is rather likely to get foreign orders from Middle East.
 

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MBT isn't that important for such vehicke as target as target. A few can be dealt with through tacticsl means, and if wheeled IFVs have to engage heavy force in grasslands head on - something was done fundamentally wrong.
On the other hand, against current or even prospective "cavalry" vehicles, for example, French 6x6 with 40mm gun(scorpion, iirc) her gun will serve her well. AA capabilities should be also considered, expecially ability to threaten remote at helicopters§descend uavs with few rounds.
For possible unconventional threats from South("what if", but these really aren't excessively stable states),for example, hilluxes, 57mm gun with FCS&thermal is nearly a bane.
30mm can't engage quite as far with same precision, and only other solution in current Russian ammo lineup is 57mm C-60.

In short, - again, even if hugely oversized for common ifv of typical conventional force, in this particular case I think it's justified. Moreover, this turret is rather likely to get foreign orders from Middle East.
To defeat light a AV is enough 30х165 and 30х173. But they have little fragmentation effect.
Orders from the middle East are not a measure. They buy all sorts of crap. Module AU220M on wheeled armored vehicles not suitable for potential buyers. This is an attempt to insert the old to the new.
 

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General 30 mm caliber rounds and 40 mm (bofors, for an example) will absolutely REND other AFVs. Akim is right.

57 is too big for general anti-equipment use, and too small to do more than shake a tank.

Infact, 30 mm DU is enough to kill a tank without ERA top mounted or an APS, and even then, put enough shots in the same place and it will go through.
 

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ISRAEL armored vehicle Steadfast' New Armored Vehicle
for IDF.





TEL AVIV — Israel unveiled Monday its indigenous Eitan demonstrator, a wheeled, actively protected armored personnel carrier (APC) that it hopes to purchase in vast quantities over the coming decade and beyond.

At less than 35 tons, the 8x8 wheeled Eitan — Hebrew for steadfast — weighs and will cost nearly half that of new Merkava Mk4-based Namer heavy carriers now in production, according to the Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Both new vehicles are designed to carry 12 infantrymen and will replace the thousands of M113s that still support the bulk of Israeli infantry forces.

Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliah, head of the MoD's Tank Production Office that developed both vehicles, said Eitan “will be the most advanced, protected wheeled fighting tool in the world.”

According to the officer, Eitan was designed as a low-cost, multi-mission platform, which will allow Israel to equip itself with more vehicles at a higher rate in parallel to purchases of the Namer heavy APC.

Eitan is expected to incorporate a new generation of active protection, based on the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) developed by state-owned Rafael. It also will feature an advanced, unmanned 30- or 40-millimeter turret and a full compliment of munitions and sensors.

“It will be a lot lighter [than Namer] and will be designed to cost,” Maj. Gen. Guy Zur, commander of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Ground Forces Command, told Defense News in an interview earlier this year. “It may be less good [as the Namer], but it will be affordable and allow us to equip a large part of our force.”

Matzliah said the project was borne from operational lessons learned from the 2014 Gaza war. Capable of unassisted road travel at more than 90 kilometers per hour, the Eitan — the first wheeled carriers in Israel’s military history — “enable fast, strategic mobility” and are “tailored to the existing threats in the arena,”

In an Aug. 1 announcement, MoD said the Tank Production Office and the Israeli military’s Ground Forces Command have just begun a series of field trials to determine performance in “varied and complex” conditions.

In the earlier interview, Zur said Eitans are part of his Ground Horizon plan, a strategic blueprint for designing Israel’s future ground force over the next two decades.

The plan also includes development of another demonstrator program called Carmel — a Hebrew acronym for Advanced Ground Combat Vehicle — aimed at driving the design of a future tank to be deployed as a compliment to the 65-ton Merkava Mk4.

The officer said Carmel is not intended to replace the Mk4, which will remain in production through 2020, but is rather a demonstrator program to evaluate a state-of-the-art, medium-weight combat vehicle. It will most likely be treaded, not wheeled.

Under the Army’s Ground Horizon plan, Eitan is expected to be ready for fielding in about five years. In contrast, Carmel is not expected to enter service until 2025 or 2027.





The Defense Ministry unveils Israel’s first wheeled armored personnel carrier, a vehicle that will replace thousands of aging M113 APCs currently in use by Israeli infantry brigades and other units.

The “Eitan” (“Steadfast”) moves away from the tread design of the older “Bardelas” (“Cheetah”) vehicle, which was found in the 2006 Second Lebanon War to be overly susceptible to enemy anti-tank rocket attacks. An explosion only needs to break a single link on the tread to unravel it and render the older APC immobile.

The new APC will also sport vastly upgraded armor and defensive systems akin to Israel’s Merkava line of tanks.
 

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ISRAEL armored vehicle Steadfast' New Armored Vehicle
for IDF.





TEL AVIV — Israel unveiled Monday its indigenous Eitan demonstrator, a wheeled, actively protected armored personnel carrier (APC) that it hopes to purchase in vast quantities over the coming decade and beyond.

At less than 35 tons, the 8x8 wheeled Eitan — Hebrew for steadfast — weighs and will cost nearly half that of new Merkava Mk4-based Namer heavy carriers now in production, according to the Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Both new vehicles are designed to carry 12 infantrymen and will replace the thousands of M113s that still support the bulk of Israeli infantry forces.

Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliah, head of the MoD's Tank Production Office that developed both vehicles, said Eitan “will be the most advanced, protected wheeled fighting tool in the world.”

According to the officer, Eitan was designed as a low-cost, multi-mission platform, which will allow Israel to equip itself with more vehicles at a higher rate in parallel to purchases of the Namer heavy APC.

Eitan is expected to incorporate a new generation of active protection, based on the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) developed by state-owned Rafael. It also will feature an advanced, unmanned 30- or 40-millimeter turret and a full compliment of munitions and sensors.

“It will be a lot lighter [than Namer] and will be designed to cost,” Maj. Gen. Guy Zur, commander of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Ground Forces Command, told Defense News in an interview earlier this year. “It may be less good [as the Namer], but it will be affordable and allow us to equip a large part of our force.”

Matzliah said the project was borne from operational lessons learned from the 2014 Gaza war. Capable of unassisted road travel at more than 90 kilometers per hour, the Eitan — the first wheeled carriers in Israel’s military history — “enable fast, strategic mobility” and are “tailored to the existing threats in the arena,”

In an Aug. 1 announcement, MoD said the Tank Production Office and the Israeli military’s Ground Forces Command have just begun a series of field trials to determine performance in “varied and complex” conditions.

In the earlier interview, Zur said Eitans are part of his Ground Horizon plan, a strategic blueprint for designing Israel’s future ground force over the next two decades.

The plan also includes development of another demonstrator program called Carmel — a Hebrew acronym for Advanced Ground Combat Vehicle — aimed at driving the design of a future tank to be deployed as a compliment to the 65-ton Merkava Mk4.

The officer said Carmel is not intended to replace the Mk4, which will remain in production through 2020, but is rather a demonstrator program to evaluate a state-of-the-art, medium-weight combat vehicle. It will most likely be treaded, not wheeled.

Under the Army’s Ground Horizon plan, Eitan is expected to be ready for fielding in about five years. In contrast, Carmel is not expected to enter service until 2025 or 2027.





The Defense Ministry unveils Israel’s first wheeled armored personnel carrier, a vehicle that will replace thousands of aging M113 APCs currently in use by Israeli infantry brigades and other units.

The “Eitan” (“Steadfast”) moves away from the tread design of the older “Bardelas” (“Cheetah”) vehicle, which was found in the 2006 Second Lebanon War to be overly susceptible to enemy anti-tank rocket attacks. An explosion only needs to break a single link on the tread to unravel it and render the older APC immobile.

The new APC will also sport vastly upgraded armor and defensive systems akin to Israel’s Merkava line of tanks.

Isreali at at always believed in Double protection.
 

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ISRAEL armored vehicle Steadfast' New Armored Vehicle
for IDF.






TEL AVIV — Israel unveiled Monday its indigenous Eitan demonstrator, a wheeled, actively protected armored personnel carrier (APC) that it hopes to purchase in vast quantities over the coming decade and beyond.

At less than 35 tons, the 8x8 wheeled Eitan — Hebrew for steadfast — weighs and will cost nearly half that of new Merkava Mk4-based Namer heavy carriers now in production, according to the Ministry of Defense (MoD).

Both new vehicles are designed to carry 12 infantrymen and will replace the thousands of M113s that still support the bulk of Israeli infantry forces.

Brig. Gen. Baruch Matzliah, head of the MoD's Tank Production Office that developed both vehicles, said Eitan “will be the most advanced, protected wheeled fighting tool in the world.”

According to the officer, Eitan was designed as a low-cost, multi-mission platform, which will allow Israel to equip itself with more vehicles at a higher rate in parallel to purchases of the Namer heavy APC.

Eitan is expected to incorporate a new generation of active protection, based on the Trophy Active Protection System (APS) developed by state-owned Rafael. It also will feature an advanced, unmanned 30- or 40-millimeter turret and a full compliment of munitions and sensors.

“It will be a lot lighter [than Namer] and will be designed to cost,” Maj. Gen. Guy Zur, commander of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Ground Forces Command, told Defense News in an interview earlier this year. “It may be less good [as the Namer], but it will be affordable and allow us to equip a large part of our force.”

Matzliah said the project was borne from operational lessons learned from the 2014 Gaza war. Capable of unassisted road travel at more than 90 kilometers per hour, the Eitan — the first wheeled carriers in Israel’s military history — “enable fast, strategic mobility” and are “tailored to the existing threats in the arena,”

In an Aug. 1 announcement, MoD said the Tank Production Office and the Israeli military’s Ground Forces Command have just begun a series of field trials to determine performance in “varied and complex” conditions.

In the earlier interview, Zur said Eitans are part of his Ground Horizon plan, a strategic blueprint for designing Israel’s future ground force over the next two decades.

The plan also includes development of another demonstrator program called Carmel — a Hebrew acronym for Advanced Ground Combat Vehicle — aimed at driving the design of a future tank to be deployed as a compliment to the 65-ton Merkava Mk4.

The officer said Carmel is not intended to replace the Mk4, which will remain in production through 2020, but is rather a demonstrator program to evaluate a state-of-the-art, medium-weight combat vehicle. It will most likely be treaded, not wheeled.

Under the Army’s Ground Horizon plan, Eitan is expected to be ready for fielding in about five years. In contrast, Carmel is not expected to enter service until 2025 or 2027.





The Defense Ministry unveils Israel’s first wheeled armored personnel carrier, a vehicle that will replace thousands of aging M113 APCs currently in use by Israeli infantry brigades and other units.

The “Eitan” (“Steadfast”) moves away from the tread design of the older “Bardelas” (“Cheetah”) vehicle, which was found in the 2006 Second Lebanon War to be overly susceptible to enemy anti-tank rocket attacks. An explosion only needs to break a single link on the tread to unravel it and render the older APC immobile.

The new APC will also sport vastly upgraded armor and defensive systems akin to Israel’s Merkava line of tanks.
This APC is looking damn solid..why can't tata go after them and make it in india behalf of tata krestal
 

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