Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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Well,the true reason why the army is rejecting it is its weight, its size, maintenance intensive.the original specifications were stipulated as 40 tons. The japanese have reduced their tanks weight to 45 tons. Atleast in the future let the primary user finance the initial stages of the project from their own pockets, then ask for funds. But the army's rigidity to its thoughts is worrying.
1. The DRDO did not change specs itself, army asked for it.
2. It does not matter if your tank is 40tons or 60tons, what does matter is if it can kill the enemy tanks before they kill yours. Arjun for sure have better first hit probability.
3. If you say that you dont have bridges that carry 60tons, then how will you deploy the mobile missile launchers which weigh in same range. Will you reduce the range of missiles so that they weigh less?
4. Arjun works well in Indian weather, Thermal imager on Tin-90 sucks in hot weather in thar deserts (the most possible war zone).
5. Arjun has better mobility in Indian Terrain than Tin-90.
6. More advanced systems are being developed and can be developed for Arjun.
 

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1. The DRDO did not change specs itself, army asked for it.
2. It does not matter if your tank is 40tons or 60tons, what does matter is if it can kill the enemy tanks before they kill yours. Arjun for sure have better first hit probability.
3. If you say that you dont have bridges that carry 60tons, then how will you deploy the mobile missile launchers which weigh in same range. Will you reduce the range of missiles so that they weigh less?
4. Arjun works well in Indian weather, Thermal imager on Tin-90 sucks in hot weather in thar deserts (the most possible war zone).
5. Arjun has better mobility in Indian Terrain than Tin-90.
6. More advanced systems are being developed and can be developed for Arjun.
most road and bridge can not burden tanks of 60Ts.

so, tank as weight as Ajure can not move on india's highways.. that is a problem.
 

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most road and bridge can not burden tanks of 60Ts.

so, tank as weight as Ajure can not move on india's highways.. that is a problem.
Okay, How do you expect the Missile Launchers etc to move around then?? They too weight the same if not more I guess. Maybe someone can explain this.
 

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most road and bridge can not burden tanks of 60Ts.

so, tank as weight as Ajure can not move on india's highways.. that is a problem.
Man from where did u get this?Infact the pressure exerted by arjun is far les than t-90.Infact the arjun exceeds the t90 in terms of firepower,mobility,accuracy etc.The latest improvement to arjun is the proposal for active protection kit from SAAB,which is far better than the shorta passive defence kit,which is still absent on our t-90's.The debate of to big to b carried by rail coaches and land transport options is old and it was even clarified in a rajya sabha question to honourable shri a k antony.Why the army top brass is so relutant towards arjun is left to each ones imagination.
 

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most road and bridge can not burden tanks of 60Ts.

so, tank as weight as Ajure can not move on india's highways.. that is a problem.
YouTube - Arjun MBT 1 of 2

YouTube - Arjun MBT 2 of 2

this will shows its mobility in cross country............ Arjun does not have any problem in roads, it has special rail wagens for its transport.

BTW in that video tank was driven by newsman........... this shows how easy it is to drive arjun tank......
 

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People...all the people who have driven the Arjun tell about how easy it is to drive...it has everything except for a sloping armour. lets say Arjun was touted to be a Leopard like tank...which it is.
 

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People...all the people who have driven the Arjun tell about how easy it is to drive...it has everything except for a sloping armour. lets say Arjun was touted to be a Leopard like tank...which it is.
Satish, i had detail chat with the makes, they said it is not necessary to have sloping armour, but if you want you can add accesseries to arjun, including slop armour.......... but that will add just weight.

Arjun is design to take punishment and survive.

it takes to cross country just like riding hero honda bike (in the exact words of maker).......
 

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I would never take a hero honda bike cross country....
 

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People...all the people who have driven the Arjun tell about how easy it is to drive...it has everything except for a sloping armour. lets say Arjun was touted to be a Leopard like tank...which it is.
Satish, i had detail chat with the makes, they said it is not necessary to have sloping armour, but if you want you can add accesseries to arjun, including slop armour.......... but that will add just weight.

Arjun is design to take punishment and survive.

it takes to cross country just like riding hero honda bike (in the exact words of maker).......
it is mystery to date why IA refuses!!specially when it was their own goalpost.they seriously need to follow IN.the ex chief of navy kept saying -going indigenous is navy's mantra.
 

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most road and bridge can not burden tanks of 60Ts.

so, tank as weight as Ajure can not move on india's highways.. that is a problem.
yes, badguy. Indian roads are so pathetic that a tank will be swallowed and will come out of the other end of the earth.

Seriously, where do you get such thoughts.
 

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it is mystery to date why IA refuses!!specially when it was their own goalpost.they seriously need to follow IN.the ex chief of navy kept saying -going indigenous is navy's mantra.
Maker of arjun tank is goverment run OFB, where are T series tank is soild by Russians.

not a sigle paisa can be take out from consolidated fund of India,without the approval of Parliament of India, where are Russians give too much votka.

hope you got the massage........
 

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Maker of arjun tank is goverment run OFB, where are T series tank is soild by Russians.

not a sigle paisa can be take out from consolidated fund of India,without the approval of Parliament of India, where are Russians give too much votka.

hope you got the massage........
got it :cray:
 

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Satish, i had detail chat with the makes, they said it is not necessary to have sloping armour, but if you want you can add accesseries to arjun, including slop armour.......... but that will add just weight.

Arjun is design to take punishment and survive.
Saya, I think you are confusing sloped armor with SLAT armor.

Sloped armor is the angling of the main hull armor plate to increase the effective thickness whereas Slat armor is an add-on for protecting the hull of the tank/armored vehicles from projectile attack.

HowStuffWorks "How Strykers Work" - Slat Armor usage.


[SIZE=-1]Stryker with slat armor
Soldiers of the 2nd Infantry Division's Company B, 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), conduct a patrol in Samarra, Iraq.[/SIZE]
 

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The Need to Revive the Arjun Tank Project IDRW.ORG



On paper Arjun stands out quite impressive with composite armour, frequency hopping radios, ability to fire ATGMs from its main gun, but that is all on paper. In reality the Arjun is another example of cost overruns, smudged specifications and red tape. Indians it seems don’t want to learn from the experiences of others even when the lesson is obvious. When the Merkava-1 failed to live up to expectations the Israelis did not dump it and go for more M60 tanks, instead it persisted with the development of newer variants and now it has a tank that is not only world class but is completely Israeli made. India on the other hand is content to buy Russian tanks.

While India loses the opportunity to make an indigenous tank, the Pakistanis have already taken Al-Khalid into production and now are talking of exporting it. A few tanks were even sent to Saudi Arabia for evaluations. Sri Lanka almost bought 22 Al-Khalids before the finish of the Tamil war led to a reduction in defence spending. While the Pakistanis are gaining valuable experience on tank manufacture India is still debating on Arjun vs. T-90. In a few years Pakistan will be on the verge of self reliance in MBT technology while India will still be finding its feet in this area.


With the Russians getting more and more unreliable every day the need for reducing our dependence on them has become even greater. But sadly it seems that no steps are being taken in this regard. During the last trials, every soldier who got experience on the Arjun vouched for it. It proved to be capable of conducting operations in the Thar Desert flawlessly. But still the army wants to have no more than 124 tanks.


What needs to be done is an immediate ramp of production capability for the Arjun with a minimum capacity of no less than 150 tanks per year. This figure may seem astronomical by current standards but if India is to maintain a fleet of indigenous 2000 tanks, it will have to get working on ramping up the production and support infrastructure first. Simultaneously, the Army needs to come with a final specification list for the current Arjun which should be frozen. The future needs of the Army should be passed to the next Arjun iteration and the current Mk2 model should be pressed into production at once. This way the Army will have a tank and also have its future needs catered to.


Further India would do well to acquire production rights for Engines, night vision devices and tank ammunition. The expenses proposed in this document may look huge but if the Air Force deserves $10 Billion for the MMRCA, even the Army can’t do without its battle tanks
 

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Saya, I think you are confusing sloped armor with SLAT armor.

Sloped armor is the angling of the main hull armor plate to increase the effective thickness whereas Slat armor is an add-on for protecting the hull of the tank/armored vehicles from projectile attack.

HowStuffWorks "How Strykers Work" - Slat Armor usage.


[SIZE=-1]Stryker with slat armor
Soldiers of the 2nd Infantry Division's Company B, 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment (Stryker Brigade Combat Team), conduct a patrol in Samarra, Iraq.[/SIZE]
no sir i am talking about this......... pls check the attachment......this can be easily added on to the Arjun tank..... i had detail discussion regarding this.....
 

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no sir i am talking about this......... pls check the attachment......this can be easily added on to the Arjun tank..... i had detail discussion regarding this.....
I think DRDO is already working on a new ERA and also Slat armour for the Arjun.
 

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The Need to Revive the Arjun Tank Project IDRW.ORG



On paper Arjun stands out quite impressive with composite armour, frequency hopping radios, ability to fire ATGMs from its main gun, but that is all on paper. In reality the Arjun is another example of cost overruns, smudged specifications and red tape. Indians it seems don’t want to learn from the experiences of others even when the lesson is obvious. When the Merkava-1 failed to live up to expectations the Israelis did not dump it and go for more M60 tanks, instead it persisted with the development of newer variants and now it has a tank that is not only world class but is completely Israeli made. India on the other hand is content to buy Russian tanks.

While India loses the opportunity to make an indigenous tank, the Pakistanis have already taken Al-Khalid into production and now are talking of exporting it. A few tanks were even sent to Saudi Arabia for evaluations. Sri Lanka almost bought 22 Al-Khalids before the finish of the Tamil war led to a reduction in defence spending. While the Pakistanis are gaining valuable experience on tank manufacture India is still debating on Arjun vs. T-90. In a few years Pakistan will be on the verge of self reliance in MBT technology while India will still be finding its feet in this area.


With the Russians getting more and more unreliable every day the need for reducing our dependence on them has become even greater. But sadly it seems that no steps are being taken in this regard. During the last trials, every soldier who got experience on the Arjun vouched for it. It proved to be capable of conducting operations in the Thar Desert flawlessly. But still the army wants to have no more than 124 tanks.


What needs to be done is an immediate ramp of production capability for the Arjun with a minimum capacity of no less than 150 tanks per year. This figure may seem astronomical by current standards but if India is to maintain a fleet of indigenous 2000 tanks, it will have to get working on ramping up the production and support infrastructure first. Simultaneously, the Army needs to come with a final specification list for the current Arjun which should be frozen. The future needs of the Army should be passed to the next Arjun iteration and the current Mk2 model should be pressed into production at once. This way the Army will have a tank and also have its future needs catered to.


Further India would do well to acquire production rights for Engines, night vision devices and tank ammunition. The expenses proposed in this document may look huge but if the Air Force deserves $10 Billion for the MMRCA, even the Army can’t do without its battle tanks
i dont think so A1 KHAID is was developed by pakistan alone .i heard it was prepared by china +pakistan+either it is Ukraine or Uzbekistan (correct me if wrong). but it doesnt mean to underestimate it plus pak army has got that tank so they are far ahead of us plus they must have gain some good experince in producing tanks.
thanks 4 the post mate
 

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