Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[AJSINGH]

Because of the wrong people at the helm in DGMF.

all of the people are wrong at DGMF, not even honest officer ? kinda unlikely

 

[Kunal Biswas]

with all due respect - why arent we buying more Arjun then ?

I guess u should know Army ordered another 124 Arjuns!

 

[AJSINGH]

look i am not against Arjun , however i am with IA here , there must be some reason why IA is with T-90S

 

[AJSINGH]

I guess u should know Army ordered another 124 Arjuns!

124+124 arjun , nothing compared to 1600+T-90S

 

[Kunal Biswas]

124+124 arjun , nothing compared to 1600+T-90S

Arjun orders are given after T-90S orders therefore in Avadi, the first thing is to complete T-90S orders, Then the later orders of Arjun will be done..
IA was not in favor of Arjun in past, But now many people around me support Arjun, IA is with Arjun and consider T-90S is a good replacement for old T-72s..

Further Making of T-90S is easy compare to Arjuns, T90s shares almost 40-50% of T-72 hardware, Arjun is based on western tanks and new to manufacturers its take time to developed the skill!

 

[AJSINGH]

Arjun orders are given after T-90S orders therefore in Avadi, the first thing is to complete T-90S orders, Then the later orders of Arjun will be done..
IA was not in favor of Arjun in past, But now many people around me support Arjun, IA is with Arjun and consider T-90S is a good replacement for old T-72s..
Its the Media which makes so much noise!!

i agree with you that Arjun with T-90S is amazing combination but still T-72 being upgraded why?

 

[sayareakd]

all of the people are wrong at DGMF, not even honest officer ? kinda unlikely

with the way things are moving it is most likely that DGMF is not taking the most modern tank which will be cheap if made in bulk and his preference for T series are making us think very hard.

 

[AJSINGH]

don't think any results of trials have been as closely guarded as the ones of the Arjun tank in the Thar desert straddling this month and the last, and which ended a little over a week ago. And while the trial team's report will only be submitted in the first week of next month, I had a candid chat with an Army officer who was part of one of the trial teams, and I have to admit he's the first Army tankman I've spoken to so far who's admitted that the Army is as much to blame for the Arjun's "situation" (his word) as DRDO. I can't go into everything he said, because he's requested me not to get into the details until the trial report is in, but here's a gist of what he thinks. Remember, these's aren't facts, but a considered assessment of an officer who was part of the latest trial exercise. A lot of what he said was obvious -- stuff that's been guessed at for years, so I'll put what he said on the table -- make what you will of it. Here's a list of some of the things he shared with me:

"The Arjun performed all its objectives to the full satisfaction of the trial team. I should point out that there was little doubt in our minds at this stage that any major issues would crop up in the platform. The Arjun has reached a level of maturity after several trial rounds, so we were quite confident that we would not encounter any developmental or serious technological issues."


"In its current form and configuration, I think the Army has already made it very clear that the Arjun cannot be the mainstay of the armoured corps. There are several reasons for this, including some intangibles which everyone is aware of, but to be fair to the Army, there is logic to the argument that the Arjun belongs to a certain design and configuration philosophy that the Army does not want in its future tank. These trials have given deep perspective into where the Arjun fits in our battle order."


"Although it is not definite at this stage, and may change in the course of the days ahead, several key decision-makers in the Army have in-principle agreed to the suggestion that the Arjun in its present form can occupy four tank regiments. But there is resistance to this idea from the field. The just concluded trials could support the possibility of a total of four Arjun regiments focused on desert operations."


"The Army should share the blame also for not expediting its requirements for a future main battle tank (FMBT). There have been internal studies for years, but to this day, there is no definite picture of what our FMBT should have, look like or be capable of. So when the people at DRDO blame us for indecision and mid-stream QR changes, they do seem to have a case. As they did with Arjun."



"The Army is quite clear. We need to close one chapter and begin another. Call it Mark-2, call it something else. But things need to move forward. It is unhealthy how things have progressed, though I can say in the last three years there appears to be a much greater empathy between the Army and DRDO about how to take things forward. Let's hope it continues."



"Admittedly, the trials may not go a long way in resurrecting Arjun as some quarters have been led to believe, but it has been a healthy exercise and the Army is in a strong position now to use the Arjun to the best of its abilities. The tank has been given its due."
http://www.***********/forums/india-defence/51822-arjun-tank-outruns-outguns-russian-t-90-a.html

 

[Daredevil]

all of the people are wrong at DGMF, not even honest officer ? kinda unlikely

Tell me about it, I'm all ears.

 

[san]

look i am not against Arjun , however i am with IA here , there must be some reason why IA is with T-90S

Here the point is why army not give the valid reason of inducting T90S insted of talking some bulshit like Arjun is toooo heavy, rquire 1 additional crew, cannot transportable, logistic, DRDO cannot make a tank, mid level technology, bla bla bla etc. Also if army wants a T type tank why they have preapred GSRQ for a western type tank? Also why army did not make public of present test of Arjun vs T90S. Earlier ( around 2008, I forgt the date ) army has written a letter to MOD informing how Arjun's engine failed during AUCRT and it performd poorly and leaking it to media.

 

[AJSINGH]

Tell me about it, I'm all ears.

i was only speculating , not that i have any proof

 

[AJSINGH]

Here the point is why army not give the valid reason of inducting T90S insted of talking some bulshit like Arjun is toooo heavy, rquire 1 additional crew, cannot transportable, logistic, DRDO cannot make a tank, mid level technology, bla bla bla etc. Also if army wants a T type tank why they have preapred GSRQ for a western type tank? Also why army did not make public of present test of Arjun vs T90S. Earlier ( around 2008, I forgt the date ) army has written a letter to MOD informing how Arjun's engine failed during AUCRT and it performd poorly and leaking it to media.

maybe the possible reason is that what IA wanted only the succesor of T-72 which happens to be T-90S

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Now things have changed and Arjun is operational.
Yes, its still the same, It was from beginning that T-72 will be replaced by T-90s, Its a cost effective solution for 3000+ tank force.

 

[sayareakd]

i was only speculating , not that i have any proof

i have proof 1600 T 90 and just 124 Arjun now and few more ordered.........this is sufficient proof.

 

[AJSINGH]

i have proof 1600 T 90 and just 124 Arjun now and few more ordered.........this is sufficient proof.

still 124+124 tanks not enough , IA should induct something like 800 tanks , so that the further development is also possible

 

[sayareakd]

still 124+124 tanks not enough , IA should induct something like 800 tanks , so that the further development is also possible

500 are good enough for economy of scale for our HVF at avadhi, Arjun MK-II already got fund and it is out of drawing board. It will unveil in few years.

1600 inferior is penal offence, all of them should be court martial.

 

[AJSINGH]

500 are good enough for economy of scale for our HVF at avadhi, Arjun MK-II already got fund and it is out of drawing board. It will unveil in few years.

1600 inferior is penal offence, all of them should be court martial.

court marshall will require quite a lot of eveidence ... not such as easy task to sack senior IA officers

 

[sayareakd]

it is one of the biggest scam in our defence, we are having inferior tank, which the home country dont even buy, i was also told that T 90S is just upgrade of T72 tank.

 

[AJSINGH]

it is one of the biggest scam in our defence, we are having inferior tank, which the home country dont even buy, i was also told that T 90S is just upgrade of T72 tank.

T-90S is upgrade of T-72 but not just upgrade , it is a lot better than T-72 in every possible way . armour , firepower, speed,mobility etc etc

 

[sayareakd]

T-90S is upgrade of T-72 but not just upgrade , it is a lot better than T-72 in every possible way . armour , firepower, speed,mobility etc etc

may be still IA chose, substandard T 90s and almost left the superior arjun to die.