Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) Mark II

[Bleh]

Ever heard the story of the jinn who was made permanently busy trying to straighten a dog's tale?
That is the relationship between Army & DRDO. Rest assured, if DRDO succeeds in doing that, army would suddenly develop love for 60+ tonne heavy tanks

I doubt it. They don't complain much about Dhruv, Pinaka, ATAGS, Patka etc.

Arjun does have several shortcomings. The issues pointed out in #1891 & #1895 haven't still been proved invalid.

To replace T-90 Bhishma it'd have to be waaaaaaay better than T-90 MS, atleast in the key aspects, or else it's better for Indian Army to upgrade...

Presently an T-90 upgraded with desi subsystems developed for Arjun would be better, cheaper, more maintainable & probably with more indigenous content.
At this point of time, both that & Arjun Mark 2 is likely to be mere stop-gaps until NGMBT arrives, hopefully soon!

 

[Kshithij]

I doubt it. They don't complain much about Dhruv, Pinaka, ATAGS etc.

Arjun does have several shortcomings. The issues pointed out in #1891 & #1895 haven't still been proved invalid.

To replace T-90 Bhishma it'd have to be waaaaaaay better than T-90 MS, atleast in the key aspects, or else it's better for India Army to upgrade...

India is not going with Arjun and instead ordering T90 because Arjun is wasteful. Even a couple years back, India ordered a few hundred T90 tanks. Arjun is a tank with Indian name whereas T90 has Russian history. However, both are manufactured in India itself. There is no need to make Arjun tank and then endure unnecessary difficulty

 

[Steven Rogers]

Why do we need Arjun tank when T90 is made in India? T90 is a Russian tank only in name. The manufacturing is done in India

With every T90s ordered, the royalties are earned by Russia, how much indigenous is t90s, it's a Russian tank.

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[Kshithij]

With every T90s ordered, the royalties are earned by Russia, how much indigenous is t90s, it's a Russian tank.

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I am not sure how much royalty is paid to Russia. But the deal was made in 2004 and the royalty amount is likely to have been very low. Also, India has made a lot of modifications by itself. It is even possible that there is no royalty at all but one time payment from India while making the deal.

Nevertheless, with the infrastructure already existing in India, the repair and overhauling of T90 will be much easier than Arjun tank. Over 90% of T90 is made in India. All critical items like engine, turret are made in India. Minor things like A/C is imported which also can be eventually made in India. So, T90 can be said as fully Indian

 

[jat]

In case of a tank, it's the opponent gunner that should be the one who gets lucky, not our tankies, don't you think?
However a T-90 would fare better, atleast at longer ranges...

T-90 is also smaller. Reducing the risk of being hit in the first place. But thats not the finished armor packpage for MK2. The turret's armor was redone, and could easily be upgraded.

 

[Blood Rain]

T-90 is also smaller. Reducing the risk of being hit in the first place. But thats not the finished armor packpage for MK2. The turret's armor was redone, and could easily be upgraded.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 decades??!!

 

[jat]

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 decades??!!

you could say. But that doesn't mean I didn't understand the cold war. You see the cold war was a countdown to a WW3. It never happened. The need to produce large number of armor in a short time has been reduced. Now we can use our sweet time. This is why Russia and America are reducing production of aircraft especially Russia. The cold war industry is in decline for a newer frugal economy. Quality of unit is being increased to deal with LICs. Need for quick production of T-72 and T-90 are gone. Were seeing this. No more massive production of Migs or Sukios with out quality. Time is available now. Although the Chinese are in overdrive for induction with out proper quality checks. What India needs to do is what America did with the Abrahm series. Argueably the greatest tank. Its available in large numbers so are the spares. Its simple but with massive armor and firepower. Its basically what the T-90 is but bigger and better in every area except cost. Arjun is not replacing tanks, its creating a new tier need for IA something the bottom brace will come to slowly understand.

 

[Prashant12]

Arjun Mark-2 tank set to see light of day

Design of Tejas’ next version almost done, indicates DRDO Chairman

In an important move, the ‘Made in India’ Arjun Mark-2 tank project is set to see the light of the day.

Chairman of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Dr S Christopher in an interview to The Tribune said, “We have had a meeting with the Vice-Chief of the Indian Army where it was agreed on accepting Mark-2. Modalities are being worked out”. Once done, the acceptance of necessity (AON) for 118 will be revived, he added.

The AON is decided by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the Defence Minister. A total of 93 modifications have been done on the first version of Arjun — 124 were inducted — in 2010-2011.

On being asked if the Army was okay with the weight of the tank, the DRDO boss said: “The weight (the tank is almost 58 tonnes) has been accepted; that is a major change”. Most modern European tanks are of the same weight, and tank-transporters (specialised trucks) for Arjun are available.

The DRDO has promised to set up a system to maintain the Arjun Mark-2 within India. It will be an annual maintenance contract with the Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) as a possible agency, Dr Christopher said. On the trials, he said, “These have done 4,000 kms of run, the upgrades will be tested.”

On artillery guns, Dr Christopher said the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun Systems (ATAGS), of which the Army has agreed to accept 40 pieces to start with, will get a more powerful engine to enable rapid movement. The guns designed by DRDO have been made by two private companies under the transfer of technology.

The DRDO is keen to get a slice of the 1,580 towed guns the Army is looking to buy. “Both companies (Tata Power SED and Bharat Forge) are gearing up produce more. We need an order for 200-300 guns to tie up logistics,” he said.


Talking about the next version of the Tejas, called ‘Mark1-A’, Dr Christopher said: “The design other than the AESA radar and the jammer pod is complete.”


Hindustan Aeronautics Limited is looking to import the AESA radar even as DRDO made a radar that will be tested next month. The IAF is looking at 83 ‘Mark1-A’, with 59 improvements over the existing Tejas.


The Indian Air Force has projected a need for 324 fighter jets over 15 years and has officially indicated that it needs the ‘Tejas Mark 2’ (medium combat aircraft). It will carry a more powerful engine and weigh almost 20 per cent heavier than Tejas.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/arjun-mark-2-tank-set-to-see-light-of-day/563832.html

 

[cyclops]

Chairman of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Dr S Christopher in an interview to The Tribune said, “We have had a meeting with the Vice-Chief of the Indian Army where it was agreed on accepting Mark-2. Modalities are being worked out”. Once done, the acceptance of necessity (AON) for 118 will be revived, he added.

The AON is decided by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the Defence Minister. A total of 93 modifications have been done on the first version of Arjun — 124 were inducted — in 2010-2011.

On being asked if the Army was okay with the weight of the tank, the DRDO boss said: “The weight (the tank is almost 58 tonnes) has been accepted; that is a major change”. Most modern European tanks are of the same weight, and tank-transporters (specialised trucks) for Arjun are available.

The DRDO has promised to set up a system to maintain the Arjun Mark-2 within India. It will be an annual maintenance contract with the Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) as a possible agency, Dr Christopher said. On the trials, he said, “These have done 4,000 kms of run, the upgrades will be tested.”

Isn't it wonderful when journalists use actual quotes from actual people and not write hitjob articles under the guise of "sources".

 

[Shaitan]

58 tons or 68? Because if they somehow reduced the weight to 58 tons, that's nuts.

 

[Enquirer]

Arjun Mark-2 tank set to see light of day

Design of Tejas’ next version almost done, indicates DRDO Chairman

In an important move, the ‘Made in India’ Arjun Mark-2 tank project is set to see the light of the day.

Chairman of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Dr S Christopher in an interview to The Tribune said, “We have had a meeting with the Vice-Chief of the Indian Army where it was agreed on accepting Mark-2. Modalities are being worked out”. Once done, the acceptance of necessity (AON) for 118 will be revived, he added.

The AON is decided by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the Defence Minister. A total of 93 modifications have been done on the first version of Arjun — 124 were inducted — in 2010-2011.

On being asked if the Army was okay with the weight of the tank, the DRDO boss said: “The weight (the tank is almost 58 tonnes) has been accepted; that is a major change”. Most modern European tanks are of the same weight, and tank-transporters (specialised trucks) for Arjun are available.

The DRDO has promised to set up a system to maintain the Arjun Mark-2 within India. It will be an annual maintenance contract with the Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML) as a possible agency, Dr Christopher said. On the trials, he said, “These have done 4,000 kms of run, the upgrades will be tested.”

On artillery guns, Dr Christopher said the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun Systems (ATAGS), of which the Army has agreed to accept 40 pieces to start with, will get a more powerful engine to enable rapid movement. The guns designed by DRDO have been made by two private companies under the transfer of technology.

The DRDO is keen to get a slice of the 1,580 towed guns the Army is looking to buy. “Both companies (Tata Power SED and Bharat Forge) are gearing up produce more. We need an order for 200-300 guns to tie up logistics,” he said.


Talking about the next version of the Tejas, called ‘Mark1-A’, Dr Christopher said: “The design other than the AESA radar and the jammer pod is complete.”


Hindustan Aeronautics Limited is looking to import the AESA radar even as DRDO made a radar that will be tested next month. The IAF is looking at 83 ‘Mark1-A’, with 59 improvements over the existing Tejas.


The Indian Air Force has projected a need for 324 fighter jets over 15 years and has officially indicated that it needs the ‘Tejas Mark 2’ (medium combat aircraft). It will carry a more powerful engine and weigh almost 20 per cent heavier than Tejas.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/arjun-mark-2-tank-set-to-see-light-of-day/563832.html

They should have produced the full transcript of the interview or a video recording. The random quotes (with their own info in parentheses) is too confusing!
On Arjun Mk2 “These have done 4,000 kms of run, the upgrades will be tested.” What does this mean? The upgrades in Arjun Mk2 still hasn't been tested? Or are these the *new* upgrades for weight reduction (like aluminum wheels etc.). Also Mk2 is 68 tonnes not 58!!!

It's good to hear that Mk1A jammer pod design is not complete - which means that the jammer pod will be INTERNAL (as there's a project pending to that affect)

 

[tharun]

So Arjun MK-2 is officially 58+ tons, that's a good news.

 

[Enquirer]

So Arjun MK-2 is officially 58+ tons, that's a good news.

I think it's some goof by the reporter.

The target is to bring is below 65 tonnes....they're working on that. It's unclear if the order being talked about is for the reduced weight Mk2 or current Mk2

 

[HariPrasad-1]

no Gun tech and no ERA either.

I think we have mad gun on our own. It has been a long time since we produce T 90 gun on our own if I am not wrong.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

The ridiculousness of LAHAT failure being highlighted. Others on this forum have already pointed this earlier.

The reason of LAHAT not fit for Indian army is its high speed . We can not hit close target with that speed. Far away targets are OK. We needed a slow missile which can hit close target. So CLGM shall be slow and that will give it a time to maneuver to nearby target.

 

[indiatester]

The reason of LAHAT not fit for Indian army is its high speed . We can not hit close target with that speed. Far away targets are OK. We needed a slow missile which can hit close target. So CLGM shall be slow and that will give it a time to maneuver to nearby target.

But, if the target is close, wouldn't you use your shells instead of the missile?
The tank may run out of shells and only have missiles, but then is that realistic?

 

[Steven Rogers]

The reason of LAHAT not fit for Indian army is its high speed . We can not hit close target with that speed. Far away targets are OK. We needed a slow missile which can hit close target. So CLGM shall be slow and that will give it a time to maneuver to nearby target.

Lol he is wrong, LAHAT can't hit targets at 1200m and that's what the requirement is. Check the thread also.

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[Steven Rogers]

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[Blood Rain]

I think we have mad gun on our own. It has been a long time since we produce T 90 gun on our own if I am not wrong.

OFB produces the original 2A46M-1 gun, which was is of T 64A vintage!!

 

[Kshithij]

The reason of LAHAT not fit for Indian army is its high speed . We can not hit close target with that speed. Far away targets are OK. We needed a slow missile which can hit close target. So CLGM shall be slow and that will give it a time to maneuver to nearby target.

Speed is not the proper term to be used. Lahat is not a bullet with initial speed that slows down over time. Lahat is simply not sophisticated and hence is not capable of maneuvering to targets below 1km range. Its flight controls are not good enough.

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@HariPrasad-1 meant to say that Lahat is so fast that it can't hit nearby target.