Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) Mark II

[sayareakd]

Israel to modify LAHAT Anti-Tank Missile for use on Indian made Arjun Tank



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Israeli will want more money for modification and when the modifications are made, IA will say we want flying tank.

 

[Patriot]

Israeli will want more money for modification and when the modifications are made, IA will say we want flying tank.

WIth due respect to IA but looks like some apparatus at IA is continuing their tantrums to delay the production & induction of MK-II on the prtext of cosmetic changes just like some ultra uber fashion model given her requirement for a dress to a tailor /designer and now she is not accepting when it is ready as she even forgot which color design dress she ordered.

Point to IA is please induct it as it is far far better then uber junk monkey models which flaunts more than they defend, just like models' dresses.

 

[Abhi9]

There is a big nexus. IA brass involved with Ministry of defense babus. Ministry can over rule IA request of Tin can-90 and make them accept the Arjun.

IA gives very idiotic reasons like fording depth, weight issues( given Arjun ground pressure is lower than t-90, T-90 will very get stuck first), weak bridges BLAH BLAH.

Corruption is so rampant in Brass of IA and IAF and i know it first hand because my father worked for a top petroleum and grease company and i came to know how it goes. Barrels of Diesel are sold of, they request huge gifts for clearing your products and many more things. Whistle blowers are threatened, ill-treated and demoted.

An army can make fighting tactics around an product but Indian army says we will buy a product to support our fighting tactic just to have their way of corruption. I don't know why army still does not have visionary thinking or who makes their war doctrines which are very antiquated. In the end the young officers and soldier wear the brunt and casualties.

These Oldies have to go.

 

[Patriot]

There is a big nexus. IA brass involved with Ministry of defense babus. Ministry can over rule IA request of Tin can-90 and make them accept the Arjun.

IA gives very idiotic reasons like fording depth, weight issues( given Arjun ground pressure is lower than t-90, T-90 will very get stuck first), weak bridges BLAH BLAH.

Corruption is so rampant in Brass of IA and IAF and i know it first hand because my father worked for a top petroleum and grease company and i came to know how it goes. Barrels of Diesel are sold of, they request huge gifts for clearing your products and many more things. Whistle blowers are threatened, ill-treated and demoted.

An army can make fighting tactics around an product but Indian army says we will buy a product to support our fighting tactic just to have their way of corruption. I don't know why army still does not have visionary thinking or who makes their war doctrines which are very antiquated. In the end the young officers and soldier wear the brunt and casualties.

These Oldies have to go.

If we recall the entire Mr. VK Singh episode, we can surmise that entire IA hierarchy plan has been set due to obvious reasons. Mr. VK Singh tried his best to break this hierachy by all possible means in his capacity to create the ----- in the corrupt nexus. Alas! this nexus has survived the attack of VK Singh. Now another VK Singh type fellow will not be allowed reach at this level by the corrupt lobby.

 

[ersakthivel]

There is a big nexus. IA brass involved with Ministry of defense babus. Ministry can over rule IA request of Tin can-90 and make them accept the Arjun.

IA gives very idiotic reasons like fording depth, weight issues( given Arjun ground pressure is lower than t-90, T-90 will very get stuck first), weak bridges BLAH BLAH.

Corruption is so rampant in Brass of IA and IAF and i know it first hand because my father worked for a top petroleum and grease company and i came to know how it goes. Barrels of Diesel are sold of, they request huge gifts for clearing your products and many more things. Whistle blowers are threatened, ill-treated and demoted.

An army can make fighting tactics around an product but Indian army says we will buy a product to support our fighting tactic just to have their way of corruption. I don't know why army still does not have visionary thinking or who makes their war doctrines which are very antiquated. In the end the young officers and soldier wear the brunt and casualties.

These Oldies have to go.

Also they are asking for a 4 Km infra red seeker range on very hot days in RAjasthan desert for NAG missile.

On other days Nag is perfectly right in hitting targets at 4 Km range even in rajasthan desert.

So it may look like a reasonable demand at first glance.

But DRDO sourced seekers all over the world and no seeker is capable of hitting at any range more than 2.5 Km.

Even the Javelin seeker does so only at 2.5 Km range.

So now the program is stalled because of this.

because of this issue the DRDO is developing and testing a new seeker that can engage at 4 Km on very hot rajasthan summer days.

But IA adopts a very different standard when it comes to t-90 operating in rajasthan summer.

 

[sayareakd]

behavior of some of IA officers (not all) make me think, do we really need enemies ?

 

[bose]

Also they are asking for a 4 Km infra red seeker range on very hot days in RAjasthan desert for NAG missile.

On other days Nag is perfectly right in hitting targets at 4 Km range even in rajasthan desert.

So it may look like a reasonable demand at first glance.

But DRDO sourced seekers all over the world and no seeker is capable of hitting at any range more than 2.5 Km.

Even the Javelin seeker does so only at 2.5 Km range.

So now the program is stalled because of this.

because of this issue the DRDO is developing and testing a new seeker that can engage at 4 Km on very hot rajasthan summer days.

But IA adopts a very different standard when it comes to t-90 operating in rajasthan summer.

What is MOD doing ??? closed its eyes and burried its head into Sand ???

 

[ersakthivel]

behavior of some of IA officers (not all) make me think, do we really need enemies ?

Gov't Turns to Indian Firms To Untangle T-90 Missile Woes | Defense News | defensenews.com

A dispute with Russia over technology transfer for the Invar anti-tank missile has prompted India's Bharat Dynamics Ltd. (BDL) to contact domestic companies to help develop the missile's critical guidance electronics.

The Russians refused to give India the technology for the guidance system for the missile, which will be fired from India's Russian-made T-90 tanks, despite agreeing to the transfer for licensed production of the missiles, according to a BDL official.

The Indian government approved an Army proposal in October 2012 to acquire 20,000 Invar missiles, but the contract had to wait until August because the government insisted on technology transfer.

The Russians agreed to grant a license for production of the missile and the transfer of technology in August, when a US $470 million contract was signed, the BDL official said.

State-owned BDL, which will manufacture the Invar missiles, has not been given the key technology for the missile's laser beam-riding guidance system, the official said.

"Usually, the contract with the Russians, or for that matter the French Milan anti-tank guided missiles, includes transferring the production process, including the details like chemical composition and process for propellant and warhead," the official said. "However, in the case of the Invar missile, no technology transfer has been given for the laser beam-riding guidance."

But according to a diplomat at the Russian Embassy here, "The technology for the guidance system was not part of the agreement."

BDL has decided to approach domestic industry to develop the critical guidance electronics for the Invar. Domestic private sector companies, including Larsen & Toubro, Tata Power SED and Godrej, will be asked to collaborate with BDL to develop the laser beam-riding guidance system.

India signed the contract to buy the Invar missiles for the T-90 because the Army said there was a critical missile shortage, an Indian Ministry of Defence source said.

The Invar has a range of five kilometers and a tandem warhead that penetrates a tank's armor up to 35 inches before detonating.

Fired from the 125mm gun of the T-90 tank, the missile is guided along a laser beam that can be controlled by the tank gunner. BDL has been manufacturing the Invar under technical collaboration with Russia's Rosoboronexport, but it wants the technology for the laser guidance.

India fast-tracked the purchase of ammunition, including the Invar, after former Army Chief Gen. V.K. Singh warned the MoD in 2011 of a critical shortage of ammunition.

India placed its first order for 310 T-90s in 2001, and thereafter began licensed production of the tanks at the state-owned Heavy Vehicles Factory.

This is how affairs are in T-90, While it was bought in thousands bleeding precious forex , All of indian made T-90 has no TOT from Russia to fire INVAR missiles at all, while IA complains smoke after LAHAT is fired from Arjun- mk-2 must be resolved before giving a single order.

Opposed to Invar which is a laser homing missile which can easily be jammed with Laser warning equipped tanks,

the NAG has imaging infra seeker , a passive seeking system which is impossible to jam because the enemy tank has no idea it has been targeted.

Arjun and Nag are stalled forever citing various non issues,

 

[ersakthivel]

This is IA specs for NAG,

-Operational implementation of SAL guidance was not suitable as designator outside firing vehicle (other vehicle/operator)

- Wanted autonomous system, fire and forget, which could take evasive action after missile firing

- Hence passive IIR or MMW active homing or Co2 laser radar seeker active homing. SAL dropped. Of the the three, passive IIR picked up, mmW backup. Need for developing 2 high tech system as versus simpler, matured SAL meant new efforts, funding, time and participation of more work centers and academic institutions

- Army wanted Nag to be deployed by recce and support battalions of mechanized infantry. Hence wheeled option of carried was ruled out. Also, had to be top attack. also meant BMP2 as that's what mechanized infantry employ

- Trials of missile with CCD seeker for validating concept, and IIR seeker later (both day and night). MMW seeker of very high complexity - work underway to improve performance.

1 System required a variety of new tech, which meant complete rework of schedule, time cost (more than IGMDP proposal) including the IIR/MMW seekers

2 high energy propellant for booster, sustainer smokeless propulsion

3 tandem warhead

4 compact safety and actuating system for warhead

5 digital control guidance computer and autopilot (since now autonomous missile and fire and forget)

6 all electric clean actuation system

7 light weight high strength composite/metallic system

8 optimised aero system with folded wings to facilitate tube launching

9 compact high energy lithium thermal batteries for missile power supply (high requirements of new on board systems)

10 canisterized missile with tube launching

11 compact telemetry unit with conformal antenna for missile

12 new gen target acquisition sight with FPA based sight (thermal), CCD sight (day) and LRF

13 NAMICA tracked

14 stabilised sight for day and night plus heliborne launche.

Well after all this is done, now NAG is stalled for want of out of the world seeker range that too on very hot summer days (may be thirty days in a whole year on Thar desert only.).

No one in the world has developed such a 4 Km IR seeker range for indian Thar desert .

But Invar was ordered in thousands with out even having the laser beam riding technique,

 

[Anonymouse]

This is IA specs for NAG,

-Operational implementation of SAL guidance was not suitable as designator outside firing vehicle (other vehicle/operator)

- Wanted autonomous system, fire and forget, which could take evasive action after missile firing

- Hence passive IIR or MMW active homing or Co2 laser radar seeker active homing. SAL dropped. Of the the three, passive IIR picked up, mmW backup. Need for developing 2 high tech system as versus simpler, matured SAL meant new efforts, funding, time and participation of more work centers and academic institutions

- Army wanted Nag to be deployed by recce and support battalions of mechanized infantry. Hence wheeled option of carried was ruled out. Also, had to be top attack. also meant BMP2 as that's what mechanized infantry employ

- Trials of missile with CCD seeker for validating concept, and IIR seeker later (both day and night). MMW seeker of very high complexity - work underway to improve performance.

1 System required a variety of new tech, which meant complete rework of schedule, time cost (more than IGMDP proposal) including the IIR/MMW seekers

2 high energy propellant for booster, sustainer smokeless propulsion

3 tandem warhead

4 compact safety and actuating system for warhead

5 digital control guidance computer and autopilot (since now autonomous missile and fire and forget)

6 all electric clean actuation system

7 light weight high strength composite/metallic system

8 optimised aero system with folded wings to facilitate tube launching

9 compact high energy lithium thermal batteries for missile power supply (high requirements of new on board systems)

10 canisterized missile with tube launching

11 compact telemetry unit with conformal antenna for missile

12 new gen target acquisition sight with FPA based sight (thermal), CCD sight (day) and LRF

13 NAMICA tracked

14 stabilised sight for day and night plus heliborne launche.

Well after all this is done, now NAG is stalled for want of out of the world seeker range that too on very hot summer days (may be thirty days in a whole year on Thar desert only.).

No one in the world has developed such a 4 Km IR seeker range for indian Thar desert .

But Invar was ordered in thousands with out even having the laser beam riding technique,

This is not your original post. Provide a link/acknowledgement to Karan M @BRF.

Bharat Rakshak "¢ View topic - Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

 

[pmaitra]

@ersakthivel,

You must provide credit to sources when posting stuff that is not originally your's. If you don't, you are plagiarizing. Please take this seriously. We have had an announcement made earlier on this as well.

 

[ersakthivel]

@ersakthivel,

You must provide credit to sources when posting stuff that is not originally your's. If you don't, you are plagiarizing. Please take this seriously. We have had an announcement made earlier on this as well.

This is not your original post. Provide a link/acknowledgement to Karan M @BRF.

Bharat Rakshak "¢ View topic - Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Of course Siince the stuff was relevant I posted it from there.,

I have given acknowledgement in general to to all sources and BR in my previous posts in tejas thread like Karthik's post in Aeroindia 2013 and Teer's post in Keypublishing,

I forgot to mention it here, If I have failed to give it on a few occasions like this ,I am sorry for that and apologize for the hurt caused to any one. Since it takes so much effort to post original stuff , I should have acknowledged the guy's hard work.


Most of the time I have given links whenever i posted stuff from elsewhere,

From now on I will post the link every time, when I post stuff from elsewher,

 

[surender]

It;s really a good post!!!!
A good news for Defence ministry that Indian Government launches defence ministry's internet spy system "Netra" which that the ministry says has the ability to detect a number of words such as 'attack, bomb, blast or kill' within few seconds of time. This spy system can detect such words from various sources such as tweets, emails, blogs, forums, emails, internet calls, status updates, instant messaging etc.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I wonder what`s going with CLGM, It was successfully test fired ..

Why running behind Lahat ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some important Points from the link >>

Speaking about the trials, the DRDO source said that the trials have been completed and the MK2 version has demonstrated its capabilities. Other than the smoke seepage, the customer (Indian Army) has asked for few cosmetic changes which includes the positioning of lights, tow hooks and others. The customer has asked for demonstration of all new changes before approvals for production.

On Arjun 130 mm Catapult version, the DRDO source said that the 130 mm guns have a usage life till 2030 and the existing Vijayanta platform was getting old. At customers request we demonstrated the gun on Arjun chasis with excelent results. The customer has placed an order which is expected to grow in numbers.

DRDO sources point out that the name LAHAT does not mean it is the same specs as what Israeli's are using and it has to be modified for customers use.

Source : Israel to modify LAHAT Anti-Tank Missile for use on Indian made Arjun Tank

 

[bose]

If I am not wrong Arjun did demostrated firing of Lahat some 6 years back... Have we not noticed any smoky gas getting into the chamber then ?

Now the question is are we going to have the 1500 HP engine or the present 1400 HP ? I read somewhere that DRDO has put the the number of units order will determine the new 1500 HP engine. Will Army accept Arjun Mark - II with new engine without a through testing...

 

[The Fox]

gone with the wind

I wonder what`s going with CLGM, It was successfully test fired ..

Why running behind Lahat ..

 

[cobra commando]

Psst: hey IA i've got one for ya, tell em that the current turret is sh!t and ask for a redesigned turret in MK II that'll make sure that it'll never be on schedule/inducted. more T series win for IA

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Arjun MK2 comes with new barrel also, It was mentioned in few articles also it is possible that the Missile fired may not be Lahat but CLGM in which Israeli have connection ..

CLGM was tested but not from barrel of the Arjun before ..

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Arjun MK2 was suppose to be with 1500hp engine, But at the moment Army agreed to have uprated 1400hp engines, If 1500hp engine comes into play it will go into Arjun mk2 as a upgrade to existing fleet ..

If I am not wrong Arjun did demostrated firing of Lahat some 6 years back... Have we not noticed any smoky gas getting into the chamber then ?

Now the question is are we going to have the 1500 HP engine or the present 1400 HP ? I read somewhere that DRDO has put the the number of units order will determine the new 1500 HP engine. Will Army accept Arjun Mark - II with new engine without a through testing...

 

[sayareakd]

I wonder what`s going with CLGM, It was successfully test fired ..

Why running behind Lahat ..

God knows what they are doing, CLGM is under trial. CLGM has heavy warhead then LAHAT and it is made to suit our need.