AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[SavageKing456]

honestly have a hard time believing anything they say .

ADA director once talked about rollout in 2020 .

2030 was the estimated date of start of production shown in that DRDO IAF slide . which is still realistic . but knowing them it will end up being 2032 -2035.

Rollout was 2021
But then design was changed to dsi
Delay was obvious then
Had it been the design like f22 it would've been already rolled out

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I think acid

acid?

 

[India Super Power]

acid?

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[SARTHAK]

honestly have a hard time believing anything they say .

ADA director once talked about rollout in 2020 .

2030 was the estimated date of start of production shown in that DRDO IAF slide . which is still realistic . but knowing them it will end up being 2032 -2035.

2020 was never talked about for amca + 2035 is rollout for amca mk2 ,mk1 will enter production by 2030-32

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

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There is hardly any info in that post. It doesn't show any movement sensor or better display visor from previous gens.
It talks abt AI for interfacing with UCAV.

 

[SavageKing456]

Those who are saying "even Turkey and SK is ahead of us"
Are forgetting that india had similar designs and it was tested earlier
Turkey's design was the earliest amca design
Then came f22ish SK
The new amca design is the most advanced one f35ish.
Had india selected these designs you would've seen prototype till now but
ADA did good job to sacrifice 2-3 years to get a better design in both stealth and aerodynamics

 

[India Super Power]

There is hardly any info in that post. It doesn't show any movement sensor or better display visor from previous gens.
It talks abt AI for interfacing with UCAV.

U can Google it sir
Yes for now its ai interfacing with ucav but in forum many had a discussion about it that they could convert it into hmds for amca and even newspace is in very good sync with our projects as they have many involvements in future
But u can say it's not concrete that acid is gonna be used but just dfi speculation
U can have research over it and speak better upon it as I am very noob

 

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[mokoman]

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Those who are saying "even Turkey and SK is ahead of us"
Are forgetting that india had similar designs and it was tested earlier
Turkey's design was the earliest amca design
Then came f22ish SK
The new amca design is the most advanced one f35ish.
Had india selected these designs you would've seen prototype till now but
ADA did good job to sacrifice 2-3 years to get a better design in both stealth and aerodynamics
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turkish jet is a joke , but South korea is ahead now - seeing as how they have actually build something.

:| u know more than i do , so genuinely curious . when do u think assembly of first prototype and roll out will be.

i will be happy just seeing this thing getting assembled.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

i don't think it will happen before election as it won't affect elections as most public isn't concerned about a " 5th gen fighter developed in the country"

BJP has a nationalist vote bank plus media can us the narrative of defence sector growth under BJP where Congress failed miserably as it has more positive approach than just Hindu-Muslim.
if not AMCA definitely Tejas mk2 would be used by BJP for election!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

The new amca design is the most advanced one f35ish.
Had india selected these designs you would've seen prototype till now but
ADA did good job to sacrifice 2-3 years to get a better design in both stealth and aerodynamics
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Can we say that this is the final MK1 prototype frozen design precise to an inch & angle?
ADA & fan artists have used so many CAD models & exhibits that it is very confusing which one is the final one.

MK2 will require more modifications although.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

Those who are saying "even Turkey and SK is ahead of us"
Are forgetting that india had similar designs and it was tested earlier
Turkey's design was the earliest amca design
Then came f22ish SK
The new amca design is the most advanced one f35ish.
Had india selected these designs you would've seen prototype till now but
ADA did good job to sacrifice 2-3 years to get a better design in both stealth and aerodynamics

If that’s the situation wouldn’t that would have been better if they would have pursued with the same design for AMCA mk1 and then made the necessary changes(current design) in the AMCA mk2.
by which we would have a platform on time plus we all can see a practical progress where as still everything is on a drawing board except for few parts?

 

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How India finalised the design for its indigenous stealth fighter jet

Scientists behind the design explains how the Tejas experience helped

www.theweek.in

Stealth fighter will match IAF's needs: ADA DG Girish Deodhare

'The AMCA was designed to take care of upgrades for next 30 years'

www.theweek.in

 

[SavageKing456]

If that’s the situation wouldn’t that would have been better if they would have pursued with the same design for AMCA mk1 and then made the necessary changes(current design) in the AMCA mk2.
by which we would have a platform on time plus we all can see a practical progress where as still everything is on a drawing board except for few parts?

Then amca mk2 would've been delayed much more
It was written in article that it was absolutely necessary for them to balance low observability and aerodynamics
"Ghosh added that in the AMCA
Advanced stealth characteristics and project, there was focus on stealth
features and on having high ma-
noeuvrability. The importance of
this balance becomes clear from
advanced integrated avionics; improved
situational awareness and decision During the ill-fated joint venture
with Russia, the Russians used Superiority over adversanes
Development 1980s-present to say that developing stealth
technology for combat jets
requires joint effort from two to
three nations. But, Ghosh and
the case of Russia's fifth-generation
stealth fighter-the Sukhoi Su-57. It
is yet to be inducted, as the Russian
military is not satisfied with its
stealth design because it is focused
more on manoeuvrability. On the
other hand, the US seems to have
total clarity in its approach. Apart
from the two fighters-F-22 and
F-35-it also operates the Northrop
Grumman B-2 Spirit (a stealth, stra
tegic heavy bomber, with a wing-
span wider than a football field).
Ghosh said that balancing
manoeuvrability and low-observ-
ability is a real challenge. He cited
the example of the US's first stealth
fighter-the Lockheed Martin
F-117 Nighthawk. The F-117 had its
maiden flight in 1981 and proved
its operational effectiveness during
the Gulf War (1990-1991) and the
Balkan conflicts thereafter. Ghosh
said that it was designed to drop
bombs and not for aerial combat.
"The F-117 hardly had any manoeu
Vrability; it could not avoid a missile
attack," he said. "It was a sitting
duck (if it were to be detected by the
enemy)"
Therefore, during the F-22
programme, the US decided that
stealth alone was not enough and
early on
went for a combination of manoeu-
vrability and stealth. But, the fighter
became so costly that it could not
be afforded in large numbers. Fromm
its initial plan to have more than
700 F-22s, the US cut down to 173.
"They realised that too much of
performance plus stealth was not
affordable" said Ghosh. "So, the
F-35 was made after downgrading
both stealth and manoeuvrability"
The IAF has conceptualised its
need for only seven squadrons
of AMCA (including the Mark-2).
Maintaining the stealth features
is going to make the AMCA more
expensive than other fighters."

 

[SavageKing456]

turkish jet is a joke , but South korea is ahead now - seeing as how they have actually build something.

:| u know more than i do , so genuinely curious . when do u think assembly of first prototype and roll out will be.

i will be happy just seeing this thing getting assembled.

South Korean defense industry is indeed impressive we can learn from them in some areas.
As we know that manufacturing activities have already started but it still does not mean that prototype manufacturing,assembly has started
First we get proper CCS clearance and funds
Then the assembly and manufacturing of prototype will take a rapid pace
If we get CCS approval by august-september this year
Then we can say end of 2024 easily rollout is possible(let's say ADA somehow f's up in between still early 2025 rollout is possible and 2026 ff)
Anyways these timelines are ever changing
We should say how much advancements have been done technologically
These interviewers miss an important thing
They do not ask how much progress has been done system wise/component wise(although classified things can be ruled out)

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

BJP has a nationalist vote bank plus media can us the narrative of defence sector growth under BJP where Congress failed miserably as it has more positive approach than just Hindu-Muslim.
if not AMCA definitely Tejas mk2 would be used by BJP for election!

Every country, every political party does it.
But we don't require foreign bloodline monarchs puppetting our country. Our Akhand Bharat has fragmented into so many countries & insurgencies & secessionist conditioning still exist. nationalism is a reflex against invasion, genocide, looting, ethnic cleansing, illegal occupation, cultural destruction, national disintegration.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

turkish jet is a joke , but South korea is ahead now - seeing as how they have actually build something.

:| u know more than i do , so genuinely curious . when do u think assembly of first prototype and roll out will be.

i will be happy just seeing this thing getting assembled.

KFX has evidently not followed stealth design guidelines as strictly as F-22 did. I don't know if it is their MK1 or final IOC jet, but i see some, at least 10 blunder mistakes from stealth PoV.
Their factory seems to be very hi-tech.
AMCA can be better than KFX.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Then amca mk2 would've been delayed much more
It was written in article that it was absolutely necessary for them to balance low observability and aerodynamics
"Ghosh added that in the AMCA
Advanced stealth characteristics and project, there was focus on stealth
features and on having high ma-
noeuvrability. The importance of
this balance becomes clear from
advanced integrated avionics; improved
situational awareness and decision During the ill-fated joint venture
with Russia, the Russians used Superiority over adversanes
Development 1980s-present to say that developing stealth
technology for combat jets
requires joint effort from two to
three nations. But, Ghosh and
the case of Russia's fifth-generation
stealth fighter-the Sukhoi Su-57. It
is yet to be inducted, as the Russian
military is not satisfied with its
stealth design because it is focused
more on manoeuvrability. On the
other hand, the US seems to have
total clarity in its approach. Apart
from the two fighters-F-22 and
F-35-it also operates the Northrop
Grumman B-2 Spirit (a stealth, stra
tegic heavy bomber, with a wing-
span wider than a football field).
Ghosh said that balancing
manoeuvrability and low-observ-
ability is a real challenge. He cited
the example of the US's first stealth
fighter-the Lockheed Martin
F-117 Nighthawk. The F-117 had its
maiden flight in 1981 and proved
its operational effectiveness during
the Gulf War (1990-1991) and the
Balkan conflicts thereafter. Ghosh
said that it was designed to drop
bombs and not for aerial combat.
"The F-117 hardly had any manoeu
Vrability; it could not avoid a missile
attack," he said. "It was a sitting
duck (if it were to be detected by the
enemy)"
Therefore, during the F-22
programme, the US decided that
stealth alone was not enough and
early on
went for a combination of manoeu-
vrability and stealth. But, the fighter
became so costly that it could not
be afforded in large numbers. Fromm
its initial plan to have more than
700 F-22s, the US cut down to 173.
"They realised that too much of
performance plus stealth was not
affordable" said Ghosh. "So, the
F-35 was made after downgrading
both stealth and manoeuvrability"
The IAF has conceptualised its
need for only seven squadrons
of AMCA (including the Mark-2).
Maintaining the stealth features
is going to make the AMCA more
expensive than other fighters."

so amca mk2 (5.5 gen) it come after or along with tempest which is 6th gen

 

[SavageKing456]

so amca mk2 (5.5 gen) it come after or along with tempest which is 6th gen

 

[Arpuster]

so amca mk2 (5.5 gen) it come after or along with tempest which is 6th gen

Both will be 5.5 gen. Only NGAD will be 6th gen