AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Shaitan]

Halbit - NG Avonics aka Israeli Cockpit NG

Above it is a chubby AMCA.

This concept art doesn't seem to be the AMCA, but the Korean KAI KF-X.

Poster, 'Kartik' pointed this out in BR.

 

[praneetbajpaie]

I really hope the PAK FA deal does not derail this project. I am certain our scientists have acquired critical knowledge regarding aerospace tech with the work on the Tejas and now they should put their heads down and go ahead with this project,

 

[Armand2REP]

Is this supposed to be stealth Rafale?

 

[The Fox]

Livefist: India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?
India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?



This new image from the National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) depicts a so far unknown shape configuration of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), a step up from this configuration that was revealed in June this year, this configuration put out in February last year and this one the year before in 2010. The most notable change on the new configuration is clearly the Hornet-like leading edge extensions, absent on all of the earlier shape configurations. The June configuration was notable for a fully altered wing planform, which carries forward on this new shape.

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[A chauhan]

Livefist: India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?
India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?

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Good looking design BTW!

Edit: Image deleted !

 

[p2prada]

They will keep modifying it. We will then have a big evolution chart in say 5 to 10 years.

 

[Twinblade]

Livefist: India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?
India's AMCA Shape Tweaked Again?



This new image from the National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) depicts a so far unknown shape configuration of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), a step up from this configuration that was revealed in June this year, this configuration put out in February last year and this one the year before in 2010. The most notable change on the new configuration is clearly the Hornet-like leading edge extensions, absent on all of the earlier shape configurations. The June configuration was notable for a fully altered wing planform, which carries forward on this new shape.

SORRY GUYS UNABLE TO UPLOAD PIC FROM EITHER FROM MY COMP NOR FROM THE LINK ANY ONE WILLING TO CAN UPLOAD THE PICS

Shiv Aroor, watermarking every image he can lay his hands on. I bet even the photograph of his first born would come with livefist watermark

Anyhow, the correct caption of the image is :-

the Euler computation of baseline configuration of Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft of ADA was carried out for Mach numbers 0.5 and 1.3 which indicated that this configuration is
stable at low angles of attack for 0.5 Mach number (Fig. 3)

Fig. 3 Flow computation past AMCA 3B-04 configuration M∞ = 1.3, α = 7°.

From:- http://www.nal.res.in/pdf/ch1dir.pdf
So its too early to read anything into the image as it might be one of the many configurations under study.

 

[The Fox]

Shiv Aroor, watermarking every image he can lay his hands on. I bet even the photograph of his first born would come with livefist watermark

Anyhow, the correct caption of the image is :-



From:- http://www.nal.res.in/pdf/ch1dir.pdf
So its too early to read anything into the image as it might be one of the many configurations under study.

may be but i believe it will be worth the wait when it takes first flight

 

[Kunal Biswas]

AMCA progressing really slow..

 

[Payeng]

Anyways we still dont have a desi engine to mate with it,

Is it me or the new artistic impression looks bigger the the previous wild tunnel model.

 

[The Fox]

well it looks like F18(Nose cone and front body ) and F22(rest of the body) fused

 

[A chauhan]

Final Design configuration of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) remains mystery
September 14, 2012


National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) which showed a Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) Image in their annual report , seems to be completely different from the previous images shown by Various DRDO agencies which are working on the Final Design configuration .

When idrw.org contacted it sources in various agencies we were told that Final Design configuration of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) will be ready soon and once wind tunnel tests are done , Indian air force will be getting a report on AMCA .

AMCA design shown by ADA and DRDO agencies in last Aero India 2011 , might change due to changes requested by Indian air force in the Air Staff Requirements (ASR) submitted to the Agencies , from a Semi-stealth fighter aircraft , current ASR requested fully capable Stealth 5th Generation fighter aircraft.

ASR for AMCA was issued by Indian air force in end of 2010 , and the images and models shown by Agencies in Aero India 2011 was based on preliminary design phase. it likely that new tweaked AMCA models and images will be shown in next Aero India which will be held in 2013

Sources also informed idrw.org that many Designs are in consideration ( 3 or 4 has told few times back) and final call will be taken soon and recent image is one of the Designs currently under going Wind tunnel and other Virtual testing for Stealth optimisation and it is not final design configuration .

Idrw.org is hoping that current mystery will be solved in Aero India next year or in the coming months soon , DRDO is currently planning three Prototypes of AMCA which will carry out initial test flights .
Published September 14, 2012 | By admin, SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK
Final Design configuration of India's Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) remains mystery | idrw.org

 

[A chauhan]

BTW except radars and engines what major technologies we are lacking for a true 5th Gen AC ?

 

[p2prada]

BTW except radars and engines what major technologies we are lacking for a true 5th Gen AC ?

Avionics, radars etc. Well, everything except for, maybe, airframe.

Plenty of time left. So, no need to think about the little details now. Let ADA and IAF worry about it.

 

[nrj]

BTW except radars and engines what major technologies we are lacking for a true 5th Gen AC ?

A true 5th Gen fighter, if AMCA has to be; will need material technology of tomorrow. A material combination that can withstand heat, humidity, rain without compromising its low-observable characteristics. We wouldn't want troubles which B-2 had in its initial years of service. Advances in material technology are always slower or unaffordable when it comes to application like a stealth aircraft. Hopefully India's computing abilities will bring some advantage to AMCA project.

 

[EzioAltaïr]

Avionics, radars etc. Well, everything except for, maybe, airframe.

Plenty of time left. So, no need to think about the little details now. Let ADA and IAF worry about it.

Avionics? Are you sure? 'Cause I heard that India's contribution to FGFA is mainly the avionics and materials.

 

[p2prada]

Avionics? Are you sure? 'Cause I heard that India's contribution to FGFA is mainly the avionics and materials.

Materials - Most probably no.

Avionics - Let's see. Even FGFA is a decade away.

Design and flight Testing - Partially Yes.

It is a JV with Sukhoi playing the biggest part. Let's simply wait before we jump to conclusions regarding FGFA or AMCA.

 

[ersakthivel]

It is wrong to give tough to match specs for AMCA and expect it on time.

AS AIR MARSHAL PHILIP RAJKUMAR said in his book"The best should not be allowed to become the enemy of the good". We should not load it with out of the world specs.

Even Russians didn't do much on the PAKFA.
They refined the existing FLankers ,with known flying qualities and just adapted it as stealth.

They didn't even think about serpentine air intake and stream lined underbelly like F-22 and J-10.
They even accepted the radar blocker type used in super hornet to block the visible compressor blades.

The chinese put J-20 with canards which takes a lot from the existing J-10 design on the air.Still they don't have a perfect engine and avionics or asea.

The IAF should ask ADA to expand the LCA in geometrical shape and and put two GE 120 kn engine and ask it to concentrate on 100 percent stealth first.

And ask ADA to use it's already established composites strength and avionics and mission computer strength and get the fighter off the ground fast.

The chinese surprised americans with J-20 because they relied extensively on J-10 canard design.
The russian program PAKFA is going fast because it iterates existing flanker design.

Asking AMCA to do a cobra,with more dogfighting abilities than SU-30-MKI, and remain 100 percent stealth,with world class engine tech and power and world standard weapon weight of F-22 will be a disaster in the making.

China will fill it's number of J-20s rapidly
Putting too much world beating specs and constantly criticising each other means billions spent on imports only.
First of all they should give concrete range and weapon load at the outset.

Already it is a third design iteration of AMCA.
If we keep on doing this AMCAA will fly only in the drawing boards.
As a first step IAF should ask ADA to refine the LCA's shape with the 100 percent stealth and internal bomb bays and serpentine intake.

That is the first priority of stealth.

Then using hydraulic actuators and digital FCS and composite mastered on the LCA a feasible design with available engines must be done.
Provisions should be made to replace the hydraulics actuators with electrical actuators and digital FCS with fly by light FCS based on ring laser gyros and world class 5th gen engine later in tranches like it is done on EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON.

The French are putting their aeas on rafale only now.
This approach will result in a fighter within 10 years time.
The Chinese would fill the numbers with their F-20 very fast. They wont wait for asea and 5th gen engine and electrical actuators and fly by light FCS.

Then if we don't match them in 10 years time situation in northeast will be detrimental.
ADA and IAF should not be allowed on wild goose chase regarding specs and technology.
AN inter disciplinary committee of experts from ISRO and DRDO missile division and HAL should be formed and specs must be finalised and target dates must be set for each of the project goals.
ADA chief and IAF chief thrashing out the specs will result only in a disaster.

IAf will touch the sky with specs.
ADAA will touch the sky with tech.
The product will miss the deadline.it should not be allowed.

5th gen is all about stealth. F-35 is a step down design spec from F-22. With next to nothing dog fighting ability.
They are shoot and scoot types leaving dogfighting to decent 4th gens.
Even then the program is facing perplexing challenges, massive criticism and doubts about relevancy.

Loading all the world clas technologies at the outset will result in two TDs first because there is so many imponderables, squatting on two two TDS for 5 years, then 3 pvs and then 8 LSPs like approach carried on LCA will result in delays only.
Now think about what will happen here in india

 

[ersakthivel]

The one thing I forgot to mention in my previous post is


As a first step IAF should ask ADA to refine the LCA's shape with the 100 percent stealth and internal bomb bays and serpentine intake AND WITH TWIN ENGINES with appropriate increase in wing size and weight..

then only AMCA will have a good weapon load as there will be too many power sapping compromises for stealth and cooling needs and avionic needs.

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

i think that this time we should go with russian engines in-case IAF not happy with kavari