AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[vayuu1]

Finally some good news well hopefully.

 

[patriots]

India-UK to work jointly in jet engine development

Since India prefers a government to government route, the two sides are keen to have the framework for future defence deals soon as the jet engine agreement is expected soon.

t.co

More details here............................

 

[BangaliBabu]

India-UK to work jointly in jet engine development

Since India prefers a government to government route, the two sides are keen to have the framework for future defence deals soon as the jet engine agreement is expected soon.

t.co

More details here............................

Rolls-Royce needs some serious Indian moolah and co-operation for their Tempest engine development. Only time will tell whether the JV will yield more in our favour or theirs. The Tempest engine development program needs hard cash VERY HARD.......

As for now and 5 years henceforth, It's a very wise choice on our part I should say.

 

[vayuu1]

Rolls-Royce needs some serious Indian moolah and co-operation for their Tempest engine development. Only time will tell whether the JV will yield more in our favour or theirs. The Tempest engine development program needs hard cash VERY HARD.......

Look if it solves our purpose of getting know how Of engine technology, I am all for hard cash or very hard cash.

 

[Tuco]

Look if it solves our purpose of getting know how Of engine technology, I am all for hard cash or very hard cash.

Hopefully the final phase of discussions and the signing of the agreement will be done by this year. This may well turn out to be a gamechanger for us.

 

[vayuu1]

Hopefully the final phase of discussions and the signing of the agreement will be done by this year. This may well turn out to be a gamechanger for us.

That is what I am praying for

 

[Concard]

UK under David Cameroon was very pissed when India selected Rafale instead of Eurofighter Typhoon. He even made a statement in UK Parliament that he will convince India to buy EFT instead of Rafale. With BREXIT you can bet UK needs more trading partners. It now needs cash injection into it's industries. Rolls Royce has been trying hard to get into Indian defense market and also BAE systems.

They haven't been successful in selling big ticket items. With this pandemic it is clear doing business with China carries it's own risks. With UK going for F-35s, RR will be left with only making high bypass Turbo fans for civil airliners. We aren't going to buy EFT so the only other option is to collaborate on Engine development since RR also lacks technology to develop a true 5th generation Jet Engine. Hopefully this materializes for India.

 

[abingdonboy]

Rolls-Royce needs some serious Indian moolah and co-operation for their Tempest engine development. Only time will tell whether the JV will yield more in our favour or theirs. The Tempest engine development program needs hard cash VERY HARD.......

As for now and 5 years henceforth, It's a very wise choice on our part I should say.

How the tables turn

Anyway RR has been bleeding money becuase of the Trent 1000 debacle and even before the Pandemic were in deep deep brown stuff. Now they are close to the brink, perfect time for India to role them in for the 110KN effort

What’s good is that ADA has taken the decision that the prototypes and MK1 AMCA will be powered by F414, when the new 110KN engine is ready it will go into the MK.2. They’ve learned their lessons from linking Kaveri and LCA projects.

Keep Modi around purely for this kind of pragmatism.

 

[fire starter]

How the tables turn

Anyway RR has been bleeding money becuase of the Trent 1000 debacle and even before the Pandemic were in deep deep brown stuff. Now they are close to the brink, perfect time for India to role them in for the 110KN effort

What’s good is that ADA has taken the decision that the prototypes and MK1 AMCA will be powered by F414, when the new 110KN engine is ready it will go into the MK.2. They’ve learned their lessons from linking Kaveri and LCA projects.

Keep Modi around purely for this kind of pragmatism.

it's good that they kept 110kn for AMCA mk2 otherwise we would have faced similar problems as j20 is facing.

 

[Concard]

it's good that they kept 110kn for AMCA mk2 otherwise we would have faced similar problems as j20 is facing.

What do you think is the necessary thrust each engine in J20 should have? What are the implications of J20 flying with Russian Engines apart not able to supercruise?

 

[Tuco]

What do you think is the necessary thrust each engine in J20 should have? What are the implications of J20 flying with Russian Engines apart not able to supercruise?

If they are planning to use it as a truck to carry their long range bvr and pgm and unload the packages from a distance and never ever try to have close contact then less thrust shouldn't matter as they will not enter enemy airspace and leave that part to their improved j10`s. Like a wolf among chickens release the long range bvrs from a distance and keep the opponents engaged and allow the aggressors to do their thing. I am no military expert of any kind and have only limited knowledge. These are just my assumptions as there may be a lot of other variables involved.

 

[abingdonboy]

it's good that they kept 110kn for AMCA mk2 otherwise we would have faced similar problems as j20 is facing.

very true, even the Su57 is facing similar troubles becuase AL41 is still lacking.

For once a pragmatic approach has been taken to get the ball rolling

Let’s see how they fk it up now

What do you think is the necessary thrust each engine in J20 should have? What are the implications of J20 flying with Russian Engines apart not able to supercruise?

The WS-15 is meant to have 180KN (wet) thrust and J20 weighs about the same as F22 so this would be a HUGE thrust advantage over the F22 (150KN wet thrust) but they have been working on this for a long long time and don’t seem that close to making it anywhere near reality.

the Chinese are in a tight spot having to choose between glitchy Russian engines and their own underpowered and unproven ones.

 

[fire starter]

What do you think is the necessary thrust each engine in J20 should have? What are the implications of J20 flying with Russian Engines apart not able to supercruise?

well they need to redesign the intake for integrating their own engine ws15.

 

[BangaliBabu]

Anyway RR has been bleeding money becuase of the Trent 1000 debacle and even before the Pandemic were in deep deep brown stuff.

And what is this debacle???

 

[Concard]

The WS-15 is meant to have 180KN (wet) thrust and J20 weighs about the same as F22 so this would be a HUGE thrust advantage over the F22 (150KN wet thrust) but they have been working on this for a long long time and don’t seem that close to making it anywhere near reality.

the Chinese are in a tight spot having to choose between glitchy Russian engines and their own underpowered and unproven ones.

How much have they been successful with WS-10? The information available says it has a thrust of 120-140kN. And they have said they have produced more 300 Engines of WS-10. If they have really cracked the Jet Engine technology then WS-15 shouldn't take really long in my opinion. However Chinese aren't much open about their capabilities. They either hype their weapons to sky high or don't reveal anything about it at all.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Rolls-Royce needs some serious Indian moolah and co-operation for their Tempest engine development. Only time will tell whether the JV will yield more in our favour or theirs. The Tempest engine development program needs hard cash VERY HARD.......

As for now and 5 years henceforth, It's a very wise choice on our part I should say.

Rolls-Royce have far more technical knowledge than Us and have access to test labs and can actually jointly build them in india and i hope we will have access to advanced manufacturing machines too.
When we partner with advanced player we lose some money but in knowledge part we always tend to gain more.
We can actually end up saving some money in joint venture compared to starting ourselves from the scrap.

 

[Tuco]

Rolls-Royce have far more technical knowledge than Us and have access to test labs and can actually jointly build them in india and i hope we will have access to advanced manufacturing machines too.
When we partner with advanced player we lose some money but in knowledge part we always tend to gain more.
We can actually end up saving some money in joint venture compared to starting ourselves from the scrap.

And time.

 

[patriots]

So amca full scale mockup.............

 

[Bleh]

So amca full scale mockup.............

BC andar puro khokhla ho to vi sahi, make a fucking tech-demo airframe & make it fly if the basic design is done!

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

This news of DRDO partenering with Rolls Royce for development of 110 KN engine is the best news for 2020. Engine will get completed by 2027-28 if everything goes as planned it’s going to be much better than GE Engines we are planning to use in prototype of AMCA