Aircraft Crash Notification

[Gandaberunda]

All the mig21 should be grounded if they're reluctant to retire. No point losing pilots in peace time.

 

[FalconZero]

11 down in 5 yrs, 3 in 2021, but many in IAF still swear by MiG-21s despite its 'safety record'

The safety record of MiG-21s have once again been called into question following Friday’s crash that killed Squadron Leader Abhinav Choudhary.

theprint.in

Another argument put forward is that the MiG-21 Bison is just an upgraded aircraft with better avionics and armament than all of the other variants.

A former IAF commander, who did not wish to be identified, said: “Be it any variant, the fact is that it is a MiG-21.”

He added: “The MiG-21 Bison is an upgrade of the MiG-21bis, which was on its last leg of flying. What has improved is avionics and armament. Armament has no role in crashes. The engine remains the same. It is like taking a Ford T model car onto the roads today.”

“The aircraft was designed in the 1950s and should have served maximum until the 1980s,” an IAF source said. “The Soviet Union, which made these fighters, retired them somewhere around 1985. The Russians took a MiG-21 from us to put them in their museum. That is how vintage these aircraft are.”

Absolute state.

Let's see what IAF and GOI has to say about it, nothing significant is coming out that's given so yeah. Om Shanti to another brave soul.

 

[FalconZero]

All the mig21 should be grounded if they're reluctant to retire. No point losing pilots in peace time.

Whatever we say, you can't just ground almost 6 squadron to 7 of your IAF fleet, it's not possible unless there's a immediate instant alternative and don't forget that it takes time and resources to train pilots so there's no instant solution to this problem. It's not like pilots have been talking about it since yesterday.

At most wish politicians and IAF command fully back MWF and ensure that more such lives are not lost, minimize delays but we all know it ain't gonna happen so nvm ig.

 

[THESIS THORON]

and the day when our former acm did a sortie in that piece of shit, I was kinda shocked that, how much stupidness is needed to let your cheif fly in piece of junk that has crashed 3 times in one yr.

 

[IndianHawk]

11 down in 5 yrs, 3 in 2021, but many in IAF still swear by MiG-21s despite its 'safety record'

The safety record of MiG-21s have once again been called into question following Friday’s crash that killed Squadron Leader Abhinav Choudhary.

theprint.in

Absolute state.

Let's see what IAF and GOI has to say about it, nothing significant is coming out that's given so yeah. Om Shanti to another brave soul.

But according to geniuses at IAF lca tejas is not ready so we need mk1a and even then since mk1a is not perfect so we need mk2 . And even then design of mk2 is not adequate so we need new design MWF just like gripen since we love gripen.

And during all this we won't order more mk1 or mk1a because we need 100+ Rafale.

Meanwhile we are fine with MiG-21 if few pilots die because of our delays we don't care.

 

[IndianHawk]

Whatever we say, you can't just ground almost 6 squadron to 7 of your IAF fleet, it's not possible unless there's a immediate instant alternative and don't forget that it takes time and resources to train pilots so there's no instant solution to this problem. It's not like pilots have been talking about it since yesterday.

At most wish politicians and IAF command fully back MWF and ensure that more such lives are not lost, minimize delays but we all know it ain't gonna happen so nvm ig.

There are barely 4-5 squadrons of MiG-21 remain iirc. Two new lca squadrons have been formed since then .

They will only retire them by 2025. Three more years of crashes and deaths are upon us

 

[India Super Power]

Please increase production of tejas and start inducting them fast
Lower the sorties of mig 21

 

[India Super Power]

There are barely 4-5 squadrons of MiG-21 remain iirc. Two new lca squadrons have been formed since then .

They will only retire them by 2025. Three more years of crashes and deaths are upon us

We can retire atleast 2 for good sake

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Laaj sharm haya... sab khatm ho chuka ho... to kya hi kar sakte hain?

Why can't the bloody GOI of which ever party in power place an off the shelf order for 100-200 jets at once?

Why put conditions like ToT & put excuses like modernisation takes time?

Khud saale suar BMW 7 series mein ghoomenge... aur pilots ko bolenge... upgraded mig-21 udda...

& after every crash the air chief does a PR flying the 50 yr old crap... & this PR delivers the wrong message to the People, to the GOI & to the force... Just think about it.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Whatever we say, you can't just ground almost 6 squadron to 7 of your IAF fleet, it's not possible unless there's a immediate instant alternative and don't forget that it takes time and resources to train pilots so there's no instant solution to this problem. It's not like pilots have been talking about it since yesterday.

At most wish politicians and IAF command fully back MWF and ensure that more such lives are not lost, minimize delays but we all know it ain't gonna happen so nvm ig.

We aren't going for war with those remaining 6-7 squadrons in peace time. We can definitely reduce their usage and flying hours during peace time and ground some. As of now we have other trainers and no point in training Pilots or having regular sorties in Mig21 which is obsolete and going to museum or scrap yard in near future. IAF for sake of squadron strength keep alive this vintage fighter and losing pilots. MWF is far away we need Tejas MK1A to be inducted soon in numbers

 

[FalconZero]

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take a break and delete your post

 

[Brood Father]

Ok ..let's discuss elephant in the room ..either IAF pilots are poorly trained or our ACM wants them to die on purpose by still flying the junk ..

These fuckers do not even want to get Tejas ..They delayed MK1 and now doing the same shit with MK2..These fuckers have blood on thier hands ..

 

[Vamsi]

They are paying for not inducting Tejas on time.

And this will happen again & again with another fighters if they don't induct Tejas-Mk2

 

[Vinash]

Flying coffins!

 

[Haldilal]

Flying coffins!

Ya'll Nibbiars only foreign maal. No Tejas MK 2. Seen how the MK1A were delayed by a year's on the basis of the price which the IAF later was contributers.

 

[daya]

Pichhle 20 saal se yahi sun raha hoon ki MIG-21 safe hai, lekin utarte samay uski speed bahut jyada hoti hai, jiske chalte naye pilots se galti ho jaati hai.. to bhaiyya, jonga ki jagah tata safari me kyon ghoom rahe ho. jonga kaun si kharab thi, ambessador me kya burai thi...

 

[daya]

squadron strength deplete hone se kya farq padta hai.. jab pakis 27 feb 2019 ke baad aaye the to kya kar liya aur ab chinese incursion me is squadron strength ne kya ukhaad liya...

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Laaj sharm haya... sab khatm ho chuka ho... to kya hi kar sakte hain?

Why can't the bloody GOI of which ever party in power place an off the shelf order for 100-200 jets at once?

Why put conditions like ToT & put excuses like modernisation takes time?

Khud saale suar BMW 7 series mein ghoomenge... aur pilots ko bolenge... upgraded mig-21 udda...

& after every crash the air chief does a PR flying the 50 yr old crap... & this PR delivers the wrong message to the People, to the GOI & to the force... Just think about it.

The MRCA process started in 2001... when IAF expressed desire for 126x Mirage-2000... Russians(uninvited) jumped in with Mig-29M... so called "Coffin scam" & "Barak missile scandal" made NDA-1 govt indecisive

They lost power in 2004 & in came the hyenas... with intention of earning kickbacks or faulty foreign policy of showing "carrot" to world powers... they went for the multi vendor process

21 yrs passed... & we are still stuck with no future in sight... & approx 25 pilots have lost their lives on Mig-21/23/27 crashes in these 21 years.

 

[destructodisc]

I dint wanted to joke around on this thread about the incident but the govt is joking with lives of brave men. So having said that, looks like strategy is very clearly laid out here - "zeroing the squadron strength of Mig 21s by letting them crash"
Replacement is out of question here because - We will not buy anything in Time, Aur jyada jets humse banenge nahi , wese bhi tejas is NOT a replacement of mig 21ab toh ye officially bhi bol diya hai.

 

[The Shrike]

Guys please stop bitching about IAF, they don’t want to be flying these obsolete fighters by choice, they are forces to do so because requisite funding has not been given for modernisation (either indigenous or imported sources) over the past few decades, including by the current dispensation. If you do need to please bitch about Mr 56, and please do so in such a way that it creates public pressure for the powers that be to actually increase the defence budget.