Agni V Missile

[nrj]

Shourya will be prime element of second-strike force in future. Shourya canisterised in secret bases will come up to hide from enemy detections. Agni be considered as robust SLBM/land arm.

Shourya will be immediate answer to any misadventure from neighbors. Being hypersonic (MACH 6) it'll give very less time to enemy if it finds to answer. Range of Shourya is practically more than what it is declared as warhead tweaking is possible & the propulsion has large scope for further development.

 

[charlie]

I think the report was just using Sweden as an example BECAUSE they are neutral (so they won't mind if you use them in our reports )

IMO the main target of the Agni V is America. We can already reach 95% of China with Agni III. You might say America is an ally of India, but if and when India aspires to be a global superpower instead of just a regional power, we can be sure that America will oppose us. It's always good to have insurance for the future

well but the benefit that we have here is china is more aggressive and the relation with china are not so good and you see china opposing US now and then US will be for more satisfied to see us too becoming a super power then letting china alone to be a super power we are the only shot they have got to tackle china

 

[plugwater]

Range is enough as of now we should concentrate more on someother issues like MIRV, accuracy, reduction of size, mobility etc.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

well shaurya is a strategic missile and prithvi and agni are ballistic missile they are very different category they cant even be compared with each other agni and pritvhi leaves the atmosphere and re-enters the atmosphere shaurya never leaves the atmosphere

there are probably modifications to AGNI for the SLBM program, this program is cruicial since it is reportedly the only SLBM (indigenous)program that we have.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Shourya will be prime element of second-strike force in future. Shourya canisterised in secret bases will come up to hide from enemy detections. Agni be considered as robust SLBM/land arm.

Shourya will be immediate answer to any misadventure from neighbors. Being hypersonic (MACH 6) it'll give very less time to enemy if it finds to answer. Range of Shourya is practically more than what it is declared as warhead tweaking is possible & the propulsion has large scope for further development.

Shauriya will probably get a better engine in the future to with the development of our scramjet program and experience from Brahmos 2.

 

[nrj]

Range is enough as of now we should concentrate more on someother issues like MIRV, accuracy, reduction of size, mobility etc.

We have good hold over accuracy. Shourya's CEP is 20-30m!

DRDO got solutions to actually fire inter-continental missile 7-8years ago I must say.

Shourya comes with 'Single Vehicle Solution' making it impossible for enemy sats to trace as signature is negligible.

But MIRV & Propulsion needs good rounds of testing IMO.

 

[charlie]

well there was no help from ISRO to any of the missile development or to DRDO but ya DRDO can help ISRO they do manufacture few propane tanks and other things but ISRO is strictly prohibited to help DRDO, well but the scientist can be changed directly as it happen in case of abdul kalam but Virkram sarabhai was totally against it and he was against of using the expertise or tech sharing of ISRO in defence

 

[plugwater]

Nrj Any idea about circular error probability of Agni V ?

 

[sayareakd]

it was declared that A5 will be containerised missile this will give some great advantages any views on this aspect.

 

[nrj]

Nrj Any idea about circular error probability of Agni V ?

Its early to comment on AGNI V's CEP. We will come to know about actual figure only after first test. A3's CEP is tested 40meters making it one of the most accurate missile present.

We can expect similar performance from A5 as almost 60% blocks are taken similar from A3 but lets wait to see how it unfolds.

 

[nrj]

it was declared that A5 will be containerised missile this will give some great advantages any views on this aspect.

Yes. The Agni-5 will be the first canisterised, road-mobile missile in India's arsenal. A3 is very difficult to move & non-canisterised. A5 picks it up very well where A3 lacks particularly. Our all future land-based strategic missiles will be canisterised as well. A5 is tailor made for 'road mobility' so that maximum half globe can be covered around Indian territory.

 

[nrj]

Concept of Ring Laser Gyroscope implemented in A5 & Shourya is very good development. They are being used first time in Indian armed forces through these new missiles.

Lasers are used to measure the angular rotation with great accuracy & far more precision. It involves many advantages over conventional technique. The advantage of using a RLG is that there are no moving parts. Compared to the conventional spinning gyro, this means there is no friction, which in turn means there will be no inherent drift terms. Additionally, the entire unit is compact, lightweight and virtually indestructable, meaning it can be used in missiles or aircrafts.

The basic principle of operation is that a single RLG can measure any rotation about its sensitive axis. This implies that the orientation in inertial space will be known at all times. The elements that measure actual accelerations can therefore be resolved into the appropriate directions.

The input laser beam is split into two beams that travel the same path but in opposite directions: one clockwise and the other counter-clockwise.

The beams are recombined and sent to the output detector. In the absence or rotation, the path lengths will be the same and the output will be the total constructive interfernence of the two beams.

Here's schematic representation of Ring laser arrangement.

Here is some more nice reading on the same technique -

http://www.mech.gla.ac.uk/~sharpj/lectures/lasers/notes/laser_gyro.pdf

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

can anyone tell me is the k-15 sagarika the submarine launched version of agni 1? also is the shourya a land launched version of sagarika?

 

[Yusuf]

can anyone tell me is the k-15 sagarika the submarine launched version of agni 3? also is the shourya a land launched version of sagarika?

No its not. Sagarika and A3 are completely diff missiles. The range of Sagarika is jut 750kms. Sagarika and Shaurya seem more comparable or may be land and sea based missile of the same type.

 

[gogbot]

can anyone tell me is the k-15 sagarika the submarine launched version of agni 3? also is the shourya a land launched version of sagarika?

The K-15 Sagarika is brand new missiles , designed to be launched from a Submerged Submarine.
It has even spawned a land variant Shaurya missile.

The Sagarika itself is shrouded is secrecy but due to it's commonality with the Shaurya missile many of the specs can be deduced.

*it is canistered , and can also be stored in bunkers.
*It has a range of between 750 to 1900 km
*It is quasi ballistic missile , gaining altitude like ballistic missile , they switching to cruise trajectory
this missile after taking off and reaching a height of about 50 km will start flying like a Hypersonic cruise missile. Once it reaches the target areas it maneuvers towards the target before striking with an accuracy of 20 to 30 m within the target area.
*capable of carrying a payload of one-tonne conventional or nuclear warhead
*It is a hypersonic Missile
Shaurya can reach a velocity of Mach 6 even at low altitudes. On November 12, the missile reached a velocity of Mach 5 as it crossed a distance of 300 km

It is even being pitched as an alternative to the Agni I and II missiles

More info here

Shaurya surfaces as India's underwater nuclear missile

 

[charlie]

It is even being pitched as an alternative to the Agni I and II missiles

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Shaurya is a stragice missile and not a ballistic missile it can never be pitched as an alternative to agni I and II missile, shaurya never leaves the atmosphere here is the video of how both missile work
YouTube - K-15 Shourya missile test-firing as you can see in this video that the missile makes a turn within 26 sec of it's launch and movies towards the target

YouTube - Brahmos and Agni watch the agni launch in this video it will go straight up and once it leaves the atmosphere it will move towards the target and it will make a free fall towards that target

 

[keshtopatel]

Nrj Any idea about circular error probability of Agni V ?

Nuke missiles dont worry about CEP

 

[Yusuf]

CEP does matter when used in tactical role. The Chinese DF21 (CSS 5) has a CEP of 700m and is also tipped with conventional warheads to be used in tactical role. That CEP is not good enough for a tactical strike. India can do it with its missile with A3 having a CEP of about 40m

 

[dove]

I think CEPs matter very much even for strategic nuke strikes. The reason is because the destructive power of Nukes reduce dramatically as you move away from the dead center. I forgot the actual math but going from 100Kt to 1Mt hardly doubled the radius of primary affected area (or something like that).

If you want your nuke strikes to have lethal effect on enemy cities or military bases, it is more effective to have precise strikes with lower power nukes than an inaccurate strike with a high power one. Also lower power nukes weigh a lot less and can be fitted on smaller missiles that are easier to transport and store securely. This applies even more to long range cruise missiles and sub-launched missiles.

The ultimate (as of today) is MIRV warheads, each with a nuke between 20-50 Kt with a CEP of 50 meters or less. As I understand from reading different forums and open source internet material, this is what India is aiming for. With Agni-V we are almost there. The MIRV part seems to be the key missing piece left.

Experts here could shed further light.

 

[keshtopatel]

I think CEPs matter very much even for strategic nuke strikes. The reason is because the destructive power of Nukes reduce dramatically as you move away from the dead center. I forgot the actual math but going from 100Kt to 1Mt hardly doubled the radius of primary affected area (or something like that).

If you want your nuke strikes to have lethal effect on enemy cities or military bases, it is more effective to have precise strikes with lower power nukes than an inaccurate strike with a high power one. Also lower power nukes weigh a lot less and can be fitted on smaller missiles that are easier to transport and store securely. This applies even more to long range cruise missiles and sub-launched missiles.

The ultimate (as of today) is MIRV warheads, each with a nuke between 20-50 Kt with a CEP of 50 meters or less. As I understand from reading different forums and open source internet material, this is what India is aiming for. With Agni-V we are almost there. The MIRV part seems to be the key missing piece left.

Experts here could shed further light.

India is a no first use country unlike US who can n will pre-empt enemy´s selective targets of high value which requires a precision strike. A viable first strike capability would require the ability to launch a 100% effective attack.

Above is not the case for Indians!


The number of first strike weapons, such as the Trident II and Minuteman III nuclear missiles, which both have an extremely low circular error probable (CEP). These weapons are accurate enough to almost certainly destroy a missile silo if it is targeted.

The Stealth Bomber has the capacity to carry a large number of stealthy cruise missiles, which could be nuclear tipped, and due to its low probability of detection and long range would be an excellent weapon with which to deliver a first strike.

India is not in the above US-Russia league so far.

The best option for India on this is massive second strike retaliation on numbers of warhead (MIRV) and strikes.....