AFSPA: The Armed Forces Special Powers Act

[LurkerBaba]

India's Ragtag Army | OPEN Magazine

Nothing of that sort is written on the article. It's a generic article about corruption cases, lazy political class, cold start doctrine and procurement problems

 

[Naren1987]

This is the most important part. We allow an infection to become gangrene and then resort to amputation in the form of military response assisted by AFSPA.
These insurgencies should a have been taken are of before they had gained a foothold. All that talk about of external intelligence agency being proactive and very successful in the past is to make ourselves feel comfortable.

Offence is the best Defence, the Pakistanis know this, so should we learn it.

 

[pmaitra]

Protest against AFSPA: Supporters of a women's rights organisation hold a demonstration in support of Iron Sharmila's hunger strike in Kolkata on November 9, 2011. Photo: Sushanta Patronobish

 

[Phenom]

Oh, come on, have you grown up among military families?
They have Sevaks, their promotions depend on their wives participation in ladies' meets.
Don't you think something's off with a hierarchy like that?

Every army in the world has some bizarre tradition, Even today in most western countries during mass stepping, a coin is placed under the mast of the ship as a payment to boatmen to take the souls of the sailors to the underworld, it's an ancient Greek tradition still being followed. These kind of things are common in every military around the world and often age old traditions are maintained for a reason, regiment tradition and honour is one of the basic things most soldiers fight for.

And the Indian Army is behaving in the same manner like the British Indian Army did towards us Indians.
Don't you think there should be a difference between a colonial Army which is designed only to keep rebellions down and a professional force that should defend us against superpowers.

This is ofcourse a baseless allegation that you can't prove right and I can't prove wrong,

The Brits weren't popular in India because of the Army.

There are a million reasons why the Brits were not popular in India, then main one being the fact that they were not Indians.
BIA had little or nothing to do with British unpopularity.

Pick the most educated, tech savvy men, equip them with not just the basic gear, more live ammo training, etc.

Unfortunately most of the most educated, tech savy men don't join the army, they would rather sit and criticize it from a safe distance.

And use more choppers.

Use more chopper to fight insurgency? I am pretty sure the locals would not appreciate it when MI-24 is employed to hunt down a few militants hiding in the residential neighborhood.

 

[Naren1987]

Every army in the world has some bizarre tradition, Even today in most western countries during mass stepping, a coin is placed under the mast of the ship as a payment to boatmen to take the souls of the sailors to the underworld, it's an ancient Greek tradition still being followed. These kind of things are common in every military around the world and often age old traditions are maintained for a reason, regiment tradition and honour is one of the basic things most soldiers fight for.

An officer should be promoted because of something his wife did, do use your head.
Do you think the Army can have another hideous creature as Brij Mohan Kaul like it did in 1962, an Army is only as good as its Generals, Germany had inferior tanks in the Battle of France, and the French had the Maginot line to beat, but then we had German troops marching in Paris in just within a few months.
We need better leadership more than we need better equipment.

This is ofcourse a baseless allegation that you can't prove right and I can't prove wrong,

I know who can prove me right, ask any person living in AFSPA areas.

There are a million reasons why the Brits were not popular in India, then main one being the fact that they were not Indians.
BIA had little or nothing to do with British unpopularity.

It was Army soldiers who fired at the ppl at Jallianwallah Bagh, Reginal Dyer was a BIA officer.

Unfortunately most of the most educated, tech savy men don't join the army, they would rather sit and criticize it from a safe distance.

Because of the way things are run in the MOD?, earlier we used to learn from our mistakes, we strengthened the AF after 1965, and we handed Pakistan her defeat in just 2 weeks.
But 10 yrs after losing 500 of our troops to enemy positions which could have been obliterated withing just 2 days, had India a decent artillery, we still have not purchased a single artillery gun.
Do you really think such incompetence, coupled with the culture in the armed forces, a culture which is ridiculously hierarchichal, even from a military standpoint, would make any bright 18 year old want to join the Army?

Use more chopper to fight insurgency? I am pretty sure the locals would not appreciate it when MI-24 is employed to hunt down a few militants hiding in the residential neighborhood.

Use them to transport troops, not hellfire missiles.

 

[The Messiah]

Just rename the damn thing.

Afterall isn't it all about PR ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[nitesh]

Why these guys are hell bent on destroying morale of IA:

Army to stop ops if Omar lifts AFSPA? - Hindustan Times

"As chief minister of the state, I have the authority do it (lift AFSPA)," he added.

The political grapevine in Srinagar is buzzing with talk of the imminent lifting of AFSPA in Srinagar, Budgam and some other areas.

The Army had suspended operations in 1996-97, when the then Farooq Abdullah government had replaced two corps commanders as security advisors with a senior police officer. It finally relented and came out of its barracks again only after the state government backtracked on its decision and restored the positions to its officers.

 

[nitesh]

The Hindu : News / National : Army raises 'secession' spectre to counter plan to lift AFSPA

The Army's top commander in Jammu and Kashmir has said the country could be compelled to grant the State independence by 2016 if government plans to lift the controversial Armed Forces Special Powers Act from some areas go ahead, highly-placed security sources have told The Hindu.

The presentation also included a slide, which asserted that while the State people were seeking bijli, sadak, paani (electricity, roads, water), calls for lifting the AFSPA were coming from four categories: Pakistan, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, terrorists and secessionists.

Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, who chairs the Unified Headquarters, interjected to ask Lt. Gen. Hasnain to leave a copy of the slide behind, so he could "see where I fit in."

The presentation made no mention of the fact that the demand for lifting the AFSPA has been supported by Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram and forms part of the recommendations of the recently submitted report of three interlocutors

Isn't these three interlocutors found to be close to Fai? This government is doing all wrongs

 

[Ray]

Yes, they were associated with Fai.

But they claim that they were doing so because the Govt wanted them to do so.

How far that is the truth, one wonders.

The Govt having appointed them now cannot rubbish their claim that it was on Govt instructions that they associated with Fai, since then the Govt would look quite stupid to have appointed Fai associates as interlocutors.

 

[nitesh]

^^
Sir the worry is they are giving recommendations, which will suit the terrorists. So was it government who wants to give terrorists free hand. This is getting murkier each passing day

 

[KS]

Army to stop ops if Omar lifts AFSPA? - Hindustan Times

 

[pmaitra]

Indian Army Executes Militant

Indian Army Executes Militant

Merciless act? Perhaps for some. Yet, there is a nice comment posted on that video. Please ponder:

Absolutely the right thing to do. What if he was carrying an IED trapped under him which he exploded when our soldiers tried to dig him out? The only way they should have let him live if he had been able to prove to them that he was unarmed. A partially hidden arm could be clutching a grenade. And his buddies could be hiding nearby to kill soldiers at their most vulnerable. He was a combatant and he got what was coming to him. Nice shooting.


faizhakim 2 months ago​

Personally, I'd rather save him, but then, since the Indian soldiers did not know whether the militant had bombs with him, they did the right thing by killing him instead of risking the lives of so many Indian soldiers.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Army gives warning to Domestic tangos..

But, a foreign tango dont have that luxury..


He have no business here except killing and only killing Indians..

Good riddance, And good Job RR..

 

[Tomcat]

but sir do you see how the media is putting a spin on the news to show the army in bad light

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its Media who give air to Mrs Anuradha roy kind of person also Its Media who spread awareness abt Army and its culture..

Their is and will be always Negative side more than positive coz Negatives gives higher ratings..


Anything for ratings. !!

 

[agentperry]

i think army should only be asked to guard borders while paramil should take care of sensitive installation and special police teams should do city based arrest and encounters this will shift the focus of people from army and paramil to police and political parties. there should be autonomous body headed by intel guys who will be free from JK administration and control this police force.

i think time is there to form new force to do such target elimination exercise.

 

[Defcon 1]

i think army should only be asked to guard borders while paramil should take care of sensitive installation and special police teams should do city based arrest and encounters this will shift the focus of people from army and paramil to police and political parties. there should be autonomous body headed by intel guys who will be free from JK administration and control this police force.

i think time is there to form new force to do such target elimination exercise.

the police has no capacity to successfully execute the scale of operations required in J&K...for example, every terrorist attack in J&K is followed by a manhunt in the nearby areas, the police has neither the training nor the numbers to execute such operations efficiently.....for the time being, the army is our choice.....

 

[agentperry]

the police has no capacity to successfully execute the scale of operations required in J&K...for example, every terrorist attack in J&K is followed by a manhunt in the nearby areas, the police has neither the training nor the numbers to execute such operations efficiently.....for the time being, the army is our choice.....

i suggested special team of police which can be trained by army. the police efforts to control counter insurgency makes this international insurgency crisi as law and order problem thus diluting the gravity of the matter in international forum. as the world follows an approach of non interference in internal matters. moreover all the terroist comes from pok only so army guarding border got primary job to take away them before reaching cities and villages. the army soldiers can be deputed to this team also to give expert advice and tactics. this way the international problem will turn into domestic law and order problem with what so ever kashmiri anger against their own state govt and not against army or Indian govt in delhi.


entire approach can be summarized as not paying overt attention to make the attention grabber lose motivation to do so.