AEROINDIA 2019

[porky_kicker]

@AnantS it is with permission not without ( first line)
Stupid autocorrect.

 

[Enquirer]

“The Tejas Mk-2 will be over six squadrons that will replace the Jaguars, Mirages and Mig-29s” - ACM Dhanoa

https://english.manoramaonline.com/...WsGuFB8kbsH8GeAnjDVwZE9JvlqGujTpuUkxlF-BErW-M

So 2032 will be :

LCA mk1/mk1A : 6 squads
LCA mk2/MWF : 10 squads
Rafale - 2 squads +??
su-30 - 15 squads
MMRCA 2.0 - ??
AMCA - ??

10 squardrons of Tejas Mk2 will not be ready by 2032. Optimistically, It'll only go into production in 2019

 

[Rahul Singh]

NAVAL LCA MK2

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Has stabilizer control surfaces at the rear, not present in the airforce version. LEVCONs retained.

Absence of canards
Absence of wingtip pylons

Hmm! No LEVCON and no Canard but a small elevator. Result of extentive wind tunnel testing. BTW what's point in not including wing tip stations?

Anyway there ain't many similarity between AF and Naval MK-2 to speak of if at all. In fact they are very much two different aircrafts. I wonder if enough resources have been allocated for parallel development of both considering usual constraints.

Regardless, if different requirements have been the compailing factor then it's good that ADA is not trying force fit any. For once Navy can feel like not getting step motherly treatment.

 

[Rahul Singh]

LCA MK1 FOC certificate finally handed

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Everytime i see some significant development on Tejas project i recall Shri Manohar Parekar. Without him this day would not have come this early, if at all.

May god give him speedy recovery.

 

[Defcon 1]

NAVAL LCA MK2

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Has stabilizer control surfaces at the rear, not present in the airforce version. LEVCONs retained.

Absence of canards
Absence of wingtip pylons

The centre left pylon can only carry a gun, nothing else. So it means thst NLCA will have 7 effective hardpoints. Maybe MWF will also have the same configuration, i.e 10 hard points

 

[Enquirer]

The centre left pylon can only carry a gun, nothing else. So it means thst NLCA would have 10 effective hardpoints instead of 11. Maybe MWF will also have the same configuration, i.e 10 hard points

& the other pylon under the other air-intake vent will bear a LDP!

 

[Rahul Singh]

Actually Naval Mk-2 has same number of weapon stations (without MER) as MK-1 i.e 7+1.

 

[Defcon 1]

Actually Naval Mk-2 has same number of weapon stations (without MER) as MK-1 i.e 7+1.

Yes, i didn't count properly there. Have edited my post. Still raises questions on MWF hardpoints count though

 

[Enquirer]

Was waiting for someone to post the latest Rustom/Tapas pics......then I went and scoured it myself
It looks a little more aerodynamic than before....you can see that it's fitted with the indigenous aero engines.....
Also the engine cover is no longer the ugly box!!

 

[Rahul Singh]

Yes, i didn't count properly there. Have edited my post. Still raises questions on MWF hardpoints count though

MWF has 10+1 hard points without MER. Though i am not sure if station under port air intake is dedicated or multipurpose. Anyway with MER it can have 17 stations or more depending on configuration. Mock up at AI 19 already has dual launcher configuration for Derby on mid bord. So that is 13 stations already.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Was waiting for someone to post the latest Rustom/Tapas pics......then I went and scoured it myself
It looks a little more aerodynamic than before....you can see that it's fitted with the indigenous aero engines.....
Also the engine cover is no longer the ugly box!!

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I was hoping to see V-tail instead of T-tail. Have they dumped the idea of changing the tail design?

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Here's an interesting contrast (or similarity?)

Tejas Mk2 Project Director's take on Mk2
Status..........Advanced stage of preliminary design
First flight.....2023

AMCA Project Director's take on AMCA
Status...........Advanced stage of preliminary design
First flight......2024


What's happening here??? And why???

No wonder both are confident that only F414 will be used as its engine (Kaveri will not be used)

That is because Kaveri engine is now being made for 110KN class and that project has started from scratch. The older Kaveri of 90kN will be used most probably in Rafale jets which will be made in India. The110kN engine will power both MWF & AMCA, both of which are parallel development. The avionics, sensor suite, communication etc are being developed in advance and will be shared by MWF & AMCA. So, all that is needed for these planes will be to get the new 110kN engine and the airframe certified. Rest will be ready beforehand. F414 will be used for preliminary tests but will be replaced as it is not of optimal thrust

Amazing. Hope to god IAF wakes up and specs MWF with that panoramic display, don’t understand why they have apparently asked for only minor updates to the cockpit for MW

MWF will have helmet mounted display. Why do you need panoramic display when HMD is available?

When Tejas was being conceived 30 years ago, they didn't look at Mig-21 and try to replicate that, but instead looked at what the most modern aerodynamics/avionics appeared at that time and went onto achieve it - including carbon composite body, delta wing, fly-by-wire, multi-role capability etc etc.

The point about fighters is that the enemy acts and moves will be an important factor. If you are fighting a wrestler or a boxer, you will fight in different style for optimal results. But in case of static work like transport, the only thing needed is to move around. The people in the past are same as people now. So, the means of transport of the 1980s can work even now. There ia no need for any changes.

About your pusher concept, it is not feasible as the IMRH will have folding tail as well as folding blades. You would not want to have folding tail in pusher tail. IMRH is made keeping Naval roles as priority. The other concepts like Kamov (twin counter rotating fans) is less optimal in fuel efficiency as the two blades will interfere with each other. The tail rotor may be avoided but interference causes more inefficiency than small amount of energy used for tail rotor

 

[Enquirer]

That is because Kaveri engine is now being made for 110KN class and that project has started from scratch. The older Kaveri of 90kN will be used most probably in Rafale jets which will be made in India. The110kN engine will power both MWF & AMCA, both of which are parallel development. The avionics, sensor suite, communication etc are being developed in advance and will be shared by MWF & AMCA. So, all that is needed for these planes will be to get the new 110kN engine and the airframe certified. Rest will be ready beforehand. F414 will be used for preliminary tests but will be replaced as it is not of optimal thrust

I don't want to come between you and your love for your imaginary Kaveri.
Someday you could make an autobiographical movie - "Tiwari ki Kaveri"

The point about fighters is that the enemy acts and moves will be an important factor. If you are fighting a wrestler or a boxer, you will fight in different style for optimal results. But in case of static work like transport, the only thing needed is to move around. The people in the past are same as people now. So, the means of transport of the 1980s can work even now. There ia no need for any changes.

About your pusher concept, it is not feasible as the IMRH will have folding tail as well as folding blades. You would not want to have folding tail in pusher tail. IMRH is made keeping Naval roles as priority. The other concepts like Kamov (twin counter rotating fans) is less optimal in fuel efficiency as the two blades will interfere with each other. The tail rotor may be avoided but interference causes more inefficiency than small amount of energy used for tail rotor

Yeah, right! Troop transport is like taking a metro train!
War is all about quick mobilization! You want another Operation Parakram? Soldiers lumbering along to get to LOC/IB?
More and more India talks about IBGs& need to quickly make gains and end the conflict the more it needs transport helos that are quick! Pusher props will provide twice the speed!

Also, your imagination of what IMRH will be used for is as usual bereft of reality!
Navy is mostly set to get its much needed helicopters in the next few years. By the time HAL's IMRH (in any form) materializes Navy won't need helos (of that kind) for another 20-25 yrs from IMRH's date of availability!

However, IA will start retiring it's Mi-17s in the next decade - as such IA will be the primary customer when IMRH (in any form) becomes available!

 

[AnantS]

@AnantS it is with permission not without ( first line)
Stupid autocorrect.

No worries.. Thats a Levley name indeed .

It seems LERX term can be used for both moving and unmovable version. For PAKFA - LERX term is used. ADA called it LEVCON on LCA Navy.

 

[proud_indian]

Was waiting for someone to post the latest Rustom/Tapas pics......then I went and scoured it myself
It looks a little more aerodynamic than before....you can see that it's fitted with the indigenous aero engines.....
Also the engine cover is no longer the ugly box!!

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Looks a lot better aerodynamically and resembles this model of many years ago.

I hope they get approved for production soon.

 

[Chinmoy]

There is an image of saaw with jaguar.

I mean image of the real thing..

 

[Enquirer]

Just to complete the saga....

Tejas Mk1A Project Director's take on Mk1A
Status..........Advanced stage of preliminary design
First flight.....2022

Tejas Mk2 Project Director's take on Mk2
Status..........Advanced stage of preliminary design
First flight.....2023

AMCA Project Director's take on AMCA
Status...........Advanced stage of preliminary design
First flight......2024

 

[cyclops]

Heron & Harpy

M-88

BrahMos

Starstreak missile

Credits: FORCEmagazine

 

[patriots]

Tejas............in aero india................

 

[patriots]

Army chief....with tejas.........sortie..................