ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[darshan978]

Just logged in again to share the same. Party boys, party

and another 5 years to get it operational means 2027 inducted (hopefully) as stated by bs dhanoa

 

[Aghore_King]

I really want ADA to add canards to tejas mk 2....

 

[kstriya]

I really want ADA to add canards to tejas mk 2....
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I would like ADA to add all stealth features that is physically possible on LCA MK2 making it a 4.5+++ generation fighter.

 

[Aghore_King]

I would like ADA to add all stealth features that is physically possible on LCA MK2 making it a 4.5+++ generation fighter.

RCS of Tejas is already very small compared to other 4.5 gen fighters , adding radar absorbent and frontal stealth shaping with composite materials will make it 4.5++ gen fighter.

 

[Adioz]

RCS of Tejas is already very small compared to other 4.5 gen fighters , adding radar absorbent and frontal stealth shaping with composite materials will make it 4.5++ gen fighter.

Radar Absorbent Material is going to increase turnaround time of the fighter. Also, not sure how much difference RAM will make when engine's front is not hidden by a serpentine intake. This, along with cockpit will give the largest radar return. Increasing composites might help though.

 

[PD_Solo]

^^ Lots of noises coming out from the GoI and "analysts" in favour of MK2..good to see this. For Tejas to fully succeed as a platform, MK2 is essential.

Now this is a news that warms jingo's heart.

In chaiwallah we trust.......

 

[ersakthivel]

Actually, I am pointing to the double standards people have, by accepting any kind of delays and mistakes from the developers of LCA, that they would never accept personally, so why blame IAF for not accepting the same either?



True, that's why I want the forces to be more committed in such projects too, but also with more to say than just being asked to provide baseline requirements and than sit and weight till ADA and Co delivers, or not.



Which is the common excuse, that is based on the false impression that IAF change things just like that, rather than to understand, that these are normal modernisations during the service life of a fighter. Jaguar IM just upgraded from the same pulse doppler radar LCA IOC uses, to AESA, because it had the older radar in service for several years now. Mig 29 got IFR capability with the last upgrade as well, which is standard now for all IAF fighters anyway.
So IAF is not asking special things, but capabilities that reflects the current standard and if LCA would not be delayed for years, the same capabilities would be added now as well, during a standard modernisation (Darin 2 to Darin 3).

=> Which brings us back to, why should IAF accept lower standards?



Not it wasn't, it was based on the fact that MK1 doesn't meet the ASR and IAF insisting on a higher thrust engine:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...-news-and-discussions.1/page-760#post-1388526

IN's requirements were just added by ADA, after it was clear that NLCA MK1 won't meet the requirements either and this mix up was the start for more delays and problems in the LCA programme.



A Mig 21 can fly up to Mach 2, LCA IOC up to Mach 1.6
A Mig 21 has a gun for dog fights, LCA IOC hasn't
A Mig 21 has BVR missiles integrated, LCA IOC hasn't

And ou think AESA/IFR are the problem?

FOC is the key for minimum operational capability, below the ASR requirements.
MK1A is a standard modernisation only and a gap filler, till MK2 can be available, to meet the ASR.

More over, that's another common misconception, to see the Mig 21 as the benchmark for LCA, but benchmark for a new fighter is never the capability of the older, but of the enemies it might face and the capabilities that are standard today.

That's also why it always was bogus to compare NLCA with Sea Harriers, while the real issue was, can an NLCA fight J15, does it have the capabilities to fight a enemy CBG, can it deliver credible A2G loads over distance, to enemy shore targets? The answer is no, because a light class fighter is not meant to have large range or payloads and fight heavy class fighters on it's own.

You can't meet the operational requirements of the forces today, by comparing LCA to 3rd or older gen fighters, nor does it help the Tejas programme, when pride takes over and we simply close our eyes on the technical shortcomings.

Acknowledging the issues and fixing them is the only way foward, to make Tejas a success. Not blaming IAF/IN and finding excuses for development problems.

Remeber our last twitter exchange on #Tejas_LCA hash tag??

https://twitter.com/search?q=#Tejas_LCA&src=typd

There is my never ending replies to all tejas LCA naysayers,



But You are still repeating the same views

I exhort all tejas enthusiasts in this forum to copy my tweets in the above hashtag & use it to defend in all debates in all social forums,,

 

[Prashant12]

LCA Tejas Fighter Gets Big Push From Modi Govt, All Eyes On Action



In what is being seen as a timely and hard show of support to India’s LCA Tejas light fighter program, Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman today said, “We are looking forward to the LCA Mk.2 coming at the earliest. We have made provisions for the program.”

The LCA Mk.2, an improved and more powerful version of the current LCA Tejas, is expected to be ready to fly in three years. With an array of improvements (including in maintainability), better sensors, weapons and engineering changes, it will also be powered by the more powerful GE F414 engine, allowing it a greater operational envelope for more missions. Unlike the LCA Navy Mk.2 which the government decided in 2016 to scrap, the Defence Minister’s word today on the LCA Air Force Mk.2 program comes as a major confidence boost.

The minister’s comments in Delhi today also come at a time when the MoD has just decided to abort a quest to build either F-16s or Gripens in India as part of a single-engine fighter production program. The collapse of that effort is being seen as a significant opportunity to accelerate the Tejas program.

Minister Sitharaman however expressed concern over Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd’s current rate of LCA Tejas production, saying that production rates needed to be significantly ramped up for the program to be viable and meet IAF requirements. HAL has struggled with production rates for years, but has pledged to accelerate the speed at which it can churn out the light fighters.

“For instance, if the production rate is six per year, we cant wait six years for 36 aircraft,” she said, adding, “We are putting our full energies into the Tejas program.”

The Indian Air Force, which began inducting the Tejas into squadron service last year, currently operates only a handful of jets. Its current orders total 123 aircraft, which includes 20 in intial operational clearance (IOC) configuration, 20 in final operational clearance (FOC) configuration and 83 in an interim Mk.1A configuration, the full contours of which were first reported in detail by Livefist here.

Speaking exclusively to Livefist on the LCA Tejas program, Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) chief Dr. S. Christopher has welcomed the Defence Minister’s words.

“I am absolutely confident that the LCA Tejas Mk.2 will meet all requirements in a timely manner. I am also 100 per cent sure of further orders of not just the LCA Mk.1A but at least 200 of the Mk.2. Both of these aircraft will have tremendous export potential,” Christopher said.

Dr Christopher took a sortie in an LCA Tejas in January with IAF test pilot Air Vice Marshal A.P. Singh in the north east.

“The aircraft has matured wonderfully, to the full credit of our teams of engineers and scientists,” Christopher said. “It is a moment of great pride for us, but also a priority to see that the rest of the Tejas journey is very smooth.”

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...g-push-from-modi-govt-all-eyes-on-action.html

 

[Prashant12]

IAF has committed to taking ‘at least 200 Mk.2 fighters.

 

[Rahul Singh]

I really want ADA to add canards to tejas mk 2....
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As hinted by many reliable sources MK-2 is getting canards. Still, it may not look like this.

Wait till next Aero India it will be confirmed. Maybe in coming DEFXPO, its details will be revealed.

 

[Rahul Singh]

IAF has committed to taking ‘at least 200 Mk.2 fighters.

Those who were criticising Modi's Make In India push truned out to be right. Modi does not wants Make-in-India. Modi only loves Made-in-India.


The Tejas fans have guessed in 2016 with respect to SEF and MK-2 has now come true. MK-2 is replacing SEF. GOI needed time and it used SEF farce to buy it.

IAF must realise that way forward is only the indigenous way. As it has happened in other's case(read China) initial phase is going to be tough for developers and users both. They will have to make compromises for a better future. A future in which self-reliance will be a reality.

Dr Christopher took a sortie in an LCA Tejas in January with IAF test pilot Air Vice Marshal A.P. Singh in the north east.

So PR flights and test flights are going the same time.

 

[darshan978]

i hope kuch log ab yaha gripen ka raag alaapne chhod dege lol

 

[Rahul Singh]

i hope kuch log ab yaha gripen ka raag alaapne chhod dege lol

Those people will never do.

They are that breed who used to laugh at HM Ambassador and Maruti during times when Indian Auto Industry was in its infancy. Today some of them are proud owners of XUV500 while some are still wondering.

 

[Rahul Singh]

RCS of Tejas is already very small compared to other 4.5 gen fighters , adding radar absorbent and frontal stealth shaping with composite materials will make it 4.5++ gen fighter.

With all those which you have mentioned a Mig-21Bison in radar silent mode had caught F-16 by its 6 o'clock during one IAF-USAF exercise.

Mind you Mig-21 is an all metal airframe with a big air intake in the nose. Tejas is composite made.........

 

[Anathema]

Folks - I have been reading of 600+ hrs of flying hours by Tejas SP aircrafts. Can someone point me to the source of this information ? Would be greatly appreaciated. I have seen video from Tarmak - where a Sr pilot is quoted to having flown more than 100 Hrs on Tejas.

 

[Aghore_King]

With all those which you have mentioned a Mig-21Bison in radar silent mode had caught F-16 by its 6 o'clock during one IAF-USAF exercise.

Mind you Mig-21 is an all metal airframe with a big air intake in the nose. Tejas is composite made.........

Sounds very interesting, i too have heard a bit about it, can you share more details please

 

[patriots]

so....I don't see other sef fighter s .. twin engine fighter s may come in small number....
no doubt it's a bold decision. ...but Hal should ramp up it's production

 

[torque456]

I really want ADA to add canards to tejas mk 2....
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As per saurav jha and Bharat rakshak itsi confirmed.

 

[torque456]

Radar Absorbent Material is going to increase turnaround time of the fighter. Also, not sure how much difference RAM will make when engine's front is not hidden by a serpentine intake. This, along with cockpit will give the largest radar return. Increasing composites might help though.

Iirc Tejas already has some kind of ram coating.

 

[WolfPack86]

I hope Tejas mk 2 has canards and much bigger than original Tejas mk 1 and also have cability to carry weapons pay load upto 8 tonnes.