ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Narasimh

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Since GaganShakti IAF is beginning to really like and appreciate Tejas. This is pure bad news for the import lobby. Not only they lose the Indian market, a successful Tejas will simply crush the competition - Gripen in price and JF17 in performance.
Induction into Squadron service has done loads of good for the Tejas program. Whatever may be the capability right now, pilots getting their hands on it, knowing its strength and weakness and training with it is absolutely essential.
Tejas brings unpredictability to the table when developing tactics which enemy will have to grab intelligence to develop a counter which is not available anywhere in the world.
 
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Well, you don't have to be an expert observer, you only need a clear and unbiased view to understand the reality and if you think IAF wants LCA to fail, you clearly don't have it!
Ouch.....

Fact 1) IAF constantly confirms, that they want LCA below more capable MMRCAs and MKIs .

Fact 2) IAF never considered to drop the LCA programme , let alone a foreign light class alternative to Tejas.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...et-deal-to-push-for-tejas/article22859624.ece

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Interestingly, the Indian Air Force, which is in dire need of at least 200 fighter planes, rejected the domestically built Tejas last year. In a detailed presentation to the government, the IAF made a case of procuring the jets only from global vendors.
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While newspapers are now-a-days not so reliable, excuse me for thinking that IAF was finding excuses with LCA.
Fact 3) IAF is not responsible for the development of the fighter, ADA is! So if ADA makes a bad job and the fighter doesn't meet the operational requirements, or need a decade to certify the fighter, it's "not" IAFs fault!!!

Fact 4) Even with all the performance and capability shortfalls, certification and production delays, IAF still ordered 40 x LCAs and was even generous enough to agree to the MK1A compromise, that's far below the MK2 that is meant to meet the ASR and would be ready to take 83 more limited fighters => potentially 123 fighters at minimum!
Sir, the same IAF inducted aircraft with far less capabilities earlier with open arms (both Russian and Western) .
IAF must look at the defence ecosystem and actively participate in it. If IAF is not involved with the development of a fighters to suit the requirements of the country, then they better defend the country with what they are given.
The country can't afford an air-force that requires foreign aircraft and the restrictions that come along with it.
We might as well hire a foreign air-force to defend our skies.

Fact 5) IAF had also confirmed that they still want the MK2, although it would come only at a time, when it's completely outdated and when most advanced Airforces operate 5th gen fighters.

The simple truth is, that all that is holding Tejas back to be a success, is the development itself!
All the blame game, distractions and plain ignoring of facts, won't help Tejas, since all that doesn't change a thang on the development problems.
If we keep focusing on fixing problems and making things simple, we still have the chance to make things right and give Tejas the credit that it deserves.
Agree with this, but IMHO, IAF not being actively involved is a serious issue. The project management team needs IAF to drive it or atleast be actively involved in it.
 

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Mig-17 does a min-radius turn in just above 20 sec.
Is 18-19 secs enough for tejas?

Also, coulc this video be doctored? (Watch from 1:00)
What do you want to prove with these videos. Counting the time from video LOL, why don't you explain that the pilot could simply explain how the speed of the plane too matters for the turning radius and the time taken for 360 degree turn.

Always fun to read these kind of uneducated excuses. If you at least have read the CAG report on LCA, to get yourself a basic idea about the fighter, it's issues and the programme, you wouldn't need to claim this kind of nonsense, but then again, facts don't matter, let's just blame IAF requirements for the failures of the designers.
Yeep just like I am always amused and smiling many of your posts of the legendary SANCHO.


In that case at same time, Rafale F4, Gripen E EFT tranche 3 will be entering service, what will we they, "outdated" birds. Get some check up IAF requirements made an air superiority fighter into a multirole, and if that wasn't enough, sanctions which triggered development of various subsystems in India and then looking for vendor to manufacture that thing. The truth is all that blabbering misses writing about that Tejas was meant for two reasons, one to replace mig21 and second to establish an Aero space industry.

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LOL he he HA ha ha Poor Germans with there EFT and their tranche 3 and Casper.

So, french rafale, eurofighter typhoon, F15, F18, F16, MiG29, Su30 get outdated in 2025. Only F35, F22 and FGFA will be flying. Hence Tejas Mk2 will become obsolete.

This is some strange weed you are smoking
LOL he he good ones. Ok lets get serious, So called Fifth Gen plane -- sorry for the Fanboys the invisible stealth plane with black paint are meant for the speacialized mission and operation, a mission which justify the cost of the plane and the operation cost in the similar manner, you need MORTARs, rockets, Artillery, Pistal, guns even Dragger knife, even if you have supersonic Brahmos. The 4th Gen with remains relevant till 2060.

In short you need 5th gen Combat capabilty, which includes many components and the stealth platform, whether for the strike mission in the dangerous, highly defensive radar and SAM coverage area of operation to breach the defence layer and weaken the enermy air defence and to have air superiority.


Since GaganShakti IAF is beginning to really like and appreciate Tejas. This is pure bad news for the import lobby. Not only they lose the Indian market, a successful Tejas will simply crush the competition - Gripen in price and JF17 in performance.
Rest assure the LCA Tejas would be remembered and its story will Motivate the future generation engineers and scientists. Couple of idiots calling/writing technical snags as Faults, and yet to demostrate/certified capablitly as Shortfalls doesn't change the facts that how ADA and hundered plus institutions achieved a small achievements, which is a big slap for the countries and the peoples who thinks is impossible and making fun of the people of beggers, hungry peoples of snakes and flutes could actually do that. They could only see the snags, shortfalls that's why ADA took this hollistic approach with safety as their main concern and did not hundereds but thousands of tests of the Digital FCS software which which have proven solid, flawless, which will even make the dassault (the masters of Delta wing) to be proud and happy but would only counts the number of Pylons. Those idiots were unaware of the tests like opening and closing of the retractable landing gears in the HAL testing facility in the test beds for continuous 2 years to remove the slightest changes of the bugs in the whole operation profile conditions and why 2.5 instead of 1.5 safety margin was applied.
 

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Since GaganShakti IAF is beginning to really like and appreciate Tejas. This is pure bad news for the import lobby. Not only they lose the Indian market, a successful Tejas will simply crush the competition - Gripen in price and JF17 in performance.
No actually the Import lobby is still very strong, and they will keep trying and explore the holes to gets the order and these types of forces will always be there till there is greed and weakness of the human being, which will always there, but we should make sure, that everytime the decission should be in the favour of the country, because there would be always be an counter arguments. E.g you put pressure on the naxals by killing their cadre and weaken them, then there will be a lobby of the human right violation who will cry. The terrorism of J&K would have been crushed years ago by Jagmohan during his tenure as governor, with J&K police and local intelligence alone, but the lobby was there to call him back, which was threatening their source of money and the political mudda and carrer. In the similar ways, there will always be people there crying for the national security and will keep on repeating the brouchers claims, even if won't be able to fulfill in the Indian conditions, to defame any achievement of the indigenous design. Those peoples, authors reminds of the former Rudali queens of the NDTV, who will cry the rivers to prove that the Pappu is the best option for the post of the PM then the some one who they failed to try to prove to people of the country as the mass murderer and they have the only brains.
 

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Germany is rejecting F-35 and ramming Eurofighters down Luftwaffe' s throat - all for strategic Independence.They even sacked an air Force chief for not towing government line. Yet their lobbysts criticize our government for pushing Tejas. These people really have no shame.
 

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no news on sp10...........
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Tejas with centerline drop tank....
..........in it's early stage......for qualifying ioc.........
Few queries if experts can share some inputs:
1. centerline tank is smaller than the ones on wing. Can it carry the larger DT on the centerline fuselage.
2. why are DTs nose not sharp for reducing drag, the surface area of the nose is quite large for these tanks.
3. Also why are the tanks painted black at the nose? I read somewhere that DRDO created nickel based alloy coating for ICBMs to reduce drag during high speeds. Is the paint for similar purpose?
 

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Few queries if experts can share some inputs:
1. centerline tank is smaller than the ones on wing. Can it carry the larger DT on the centerline fuselage.
2. why are DTs nose not sharp for reducing drag, the surface area of the nose is quite large for these tanks.
3. Also why are the tanks painted black at the nose? I read somewhere that DRDO created nickel based alloy coating for ICBMs to reduce drag during high speeds. Is the paint for similar purpose?
I can answer your first question and speculate on the second. I don't know the answer to 3rd question.:

1)The centreline carrying capacity is reduced to to size limitations. The weight carrying capacity of centreline pylon is high but the landing gears limit the length of the payload. So, the centreline fuselage can't carry the bigger drop tanks of 1200l. It can carry 800litre drop tank
2) I am speculating that the sharp conical edge may increase the length of the tank and hence cause problems. Also, if you noticed, the civilian airliners have blunt noses. The parabolic noses are good enough to reduce drag and at the same time reduce length
 
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