ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[tejas warrior]

Very good analysis from Akshay on BR Forum:

Using a google map tool to draw circles, I have done an analysis of Tejas Strike Ranges into Pak from WAC and SWAC airbases. Combat Radius is 200 km low low low with 2000 kgs and only internal fuel as per Vivek Ahuja's analysis. It is 275 km with one centreline tank.

WAC Bases

1. Adampur – Sialkot, Gujrat, Gujranwala, Nanka sahib and Lahore
2. Pathankot – Jhelum, Kharian, Hafizabad
3. Halwara – Lahore and just short of Bhawalnagar
4. Srinagar – Muzzafarabad, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Naushera
5. Bhatinda – Bhawalnagar, Sahiwal, as south as Fort Abbas

Staging ops from Amristsar and Udhampur would give even more coverage. But I don't know if the airbases are equipped for fighter ops.

SWAC Bases

1. Phalodi – Can not hit deep in Pak but can hit an enemy offensive into Rajashthan giving coverage to Jaisalmer/Longewla, Bikaner
2. Uttarlai – Islamkot, Umarkot and can give coverage to Southern Rajshthan
3. Bhuj – Can hot upto 75 km in Sindh – Badin
4. Jaisalmer – does not have fighter squadrons now but has in the past – Rahimyar Khan, Sadiqbad etc.

With a 200 km combat radius Tejas can can fully support offensive into North and Central Pakjab (line North of Fort Abbas). With a centreline fuel tank and 275 k radius it can also support offensives into South Pakjab and Sindh.

In Air defence role with a 300 -350 km combat radius it can protect the entire IB in overlapping circles. Obviously Tejas will not be based at every airbase but the point I am making is that it can do the job it is meant for.

I would base Tejas in Srinagar, Pathankot, Adampur, Jaisalmer, Bhatinda, Bhuj and Uttarlai.

 

[tharun]

Very good analysis from Akshay on BR Forum:

Using a google map tool to draw circles, I have done an analysis of Tejas Strike Ranges into Pak from WAC and SWAC airbases. Combat Radius is 200 km low low low with 2000 kgs and only internal fuel as per Vivek Ahuja's analysis. It is 275 km with one centreline tank.

WAC Bases

1. Adampur – Sialkot, Gujrat, Gujranwala, Nanka sahib and Lahore
2. Pathankot – Jhelum, Kharian, Hafizabad
3. Halwara – Lahore and just short of Bhawalnagar
4. Srinagar – Muzzafarabad, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Naushera
5. Bhatinda – Bhawalnagar, Sahiwal, as south as Fort Abbas

Staging ops from Amristsar and Udhampur would give even more coverage. But I don't know if the airbases are equipped for fighter ops.

SWAC Bases

1. Phalodi – Can not hit deep in Pak but can hit an enemy offensive into Rajashthan giving coverage to Jaisalmer/Longewla, Bikaner
2. Uttarlai – Islamkot, Umarkot and can give coverage to Southern Rajshthan
3. Bhuj – Can hot upto 75 km in Sindh – Badin
4. Jaisalmer – does not have fighter squadrons now but has in the past – Rahimyar Khan, Sadiqbad etc.

With a 200 km combat radius Tejas can can fully support offensive into North and Central Pakjab (line North of Fort Abbas). With a centreline fuel tank and 275 k radius it can also support offensives into South Pakjab and Sindh.

In Air defence role with a 300 -350 km combat radius it can protect the entire IB in overlapping circles. Obviously Tejas will not be based at every airbase but the point I am making is that it can do the job it is meant for.

I would base Tejas in Srinagar, Pathankot, Adampur, Jaisalmer, Bhatinda, Bhuj and Uttarlai.

Hay can u provide me the these in form of maps or diagrams..because it's hard to imagine while reading

 

[Rahul Singh]

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If i am not mistaken this is new drop tank optimized for supersonic profile. I may be wrong but nose cone in sharp.

 

[tejas warrior]

Hay can u provide me the these in form of maps or diagrams..because it's hard to imagine while reading

It's not my analysis.. Just shared to show how effectively it can be used.

 

[Chinmoy]

HAL on mission mode to ramp up Tejas production
Bengaluru, March 24: Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is sparing no efforts to ensure that the series production at its LCA-Tejas Division in Bengaluru picks up momentum. Often at the receiving end for poor production schedules, HAL officials are now determined to plug the loopholes that dented their image.

During a facility visit to Tejas Division recently, OneIndia was witness to the shift in HAL's work philosophies. The state-of-the-art hangar was abuzz with activities. The jigs were getting loaded with plane parts. Majority of employees are now working from morning 7 am to 9 pm, which General Manager V Sridharan terms it as a 'voluntary effort.'

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A team of young designers and engineers were seen working hand in hand with support staff at the shop floor to ensure that the Indian Air Force (IAF) got the required fighters to form the first Tejas Squadron in Bengaluru.

Components for SP-3 to SP-8 get on to the jigs

With SP-1 already doing routine test flights since September 2014 and SP-2 too now joining the duties, HAL hopes to ramp up the pace of Tejas production soon.

The necessity to wipe out the image as a 'laid-back-PSU,' has been increasingly felt after the T Suvarna Raju took over the reins of HAL. Raju is said to be playing a silent role backing youngsters who are eager to ring in a corporate culture in HAL.

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"The energy levels are high and we are wasting no time in our efforts to step up the production rate. Now, SP-3 is all set to enter the equipping and final assembly and SP-4 is ready to go for coupling. All SP-5 components are already on the jig. And, some of the modules of SP-6 and SP-7 too are entering the jig," says Sridharan.

He is confident of loading the components of SP-8 also on to the jig within a month, thereby ensuring an early roll out of the fighters.

Our actions will speak now: Sridharan

HAL says during the 2016-2017 period it would increase the production rate between 8-12 aircraft. When pointed out that HAL often missed its production deadlines, Sridharan was quick to add: "In the past we had issues. We have moved on and our actions will speak now."

Amidst the stepped-up activities on the production line, HAL has also started the work on the Tejas MK1A variant. Engineers at Aircraft Research and Design Centre have begun the conceptual design and development work.

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By December 2018, the SOP (Standard of Preparation) is likely to be finalised. The Drawing Applicability List (DAL) will also be ready soon. (DAL is a key element of SOP).

"We are planning to have four Tejas MKIAs ready by 2018/19 and these platforms will be with slight weight reduction. By June 2016, some concrete plans for Tejas MKIA will be ready," says an official. As per the current plans, by 2025 HAL must hand over 100 Tejas MKIAs to IAF.

Most modules getting outsourced

As part of HAL's ramping up production plans, the wing modules have already been outsourced now. Tenders have been already floated inviting private vendors for manufacturing central, rear and front fuselages.

"The fins, rudders and around 33 electrical panels have been outsourced. We want to become the prime integrator. We have already outsourced 52 LRUs," says an official.

The Tejas Division itself is on expansion mode with a state-of-the-art painting hangar already in. A separate hangar for assembly line is expected to be completed by June.

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Tarmac upgradation process also has begun for supporting squadron operations. A new customer service block is coming up. A dedicated fuel slush hangar and rain water system check facility is also in.

"Capacity augmentation to double the production rate is our key mission now. There is already a proposal for additional production facility sent to MoD for approval," says an official.

Raju says young team will do wonders

HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju says he has full faith in the young team headed by Sridharan.

"Tejas Division has been undertaking challenging missions and their role has increased now with more fighters being rolled out. It will become a nerve-center for many more missions in future. I have complete faith in their abilities," says Raju.

At a recent review meeting of Tejas programme chaired by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in Delhi, all stake-holders are said to have expressed their satisfaction over the progress of the project.

Parrikar's intervention and constant monitoring of the project is said to be having a positive bearing on the programme, especially in the last six months.

(The writer is an author, blogger and seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. His upcoming book 'Precious Souls' captures the inspiring lives of special children and their families. He is the Consulting Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets@writetake.)

Seems like HAL is finally moving in right direction

 

[tejas warrior]

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If i am not mistaken this is new drop tank optimized for supersonic profile. I may be wrong but nose cone in sharp.

Yes, looks like that But i believe something like these types of items should be completely outsourced by ADA/DRDO to private companies and make HAL only concentrate on Tejas.

 

[abingdonboy]

HAL is yet make reliable engines, after 40 years of effort. All Western engines are being imported.

The Russian origin engine manufacturing and overhaul has been beset with problems.

Remember this is a company which employs like 10000 engineers.

HAL aren't an engine manufactuerer. GRTE (DRDO) are the apex engine makers in India and like all R&D feilds in India have been underfunded for decades, even China (whose economy is >7 times India's) hasn't built a reliable engine yet.

 

[Kharavela]

Hay can u provide me the these in form of maps or diagrams..because it's hard to imagine while reading

Be a member of Bharat-Rakshak Forum & enjoy such analysis done by BRF oldies, specially by Vivek Ahuja.

 

[abingdonboy]

With American engine, Israel radar, Russia/Israel weapon system, how can you call "an entire supply chain from scratch".

Really? You're going to propogate this lie?

Designing, building, testing and certifying a plane from scratch requires a lot more infrastructure creation than most are able to comprehend or accept.

 

[abingdonboy]

Yes, looks like that But i believe something like these types of items should be completely outsourced by ADA/DRDO to private companies and make HAL only concentrate on Tejas.

All in time:

India is still at the very early stages of such work, time is needed to further optimise performance. This is where the US was back in the early 1930s.

 

[abingdonboy]

Very good analysis from Akshay on BR Forum:

Using a google map tool to draw circles, I have done an analysis of Tejas Strike Ranges into Pak from WAC and SWAC airbases. Combat Radius is 200 km low low low with 2000 kgs and only internal fuel as per Vivek Ahuja's analysis. It is 275 km with one centreline tank.

WAC Bases

1. Adampur – Sialkot, Gujrat, Gujranwala, Nanka sahib and Lahore
2. Pathankot – Jhelum, Kharian, Hafizabad
3. Halwara – Lahore and just short of Bhawalnagar
4. Srinagar – Muzzafarabad, Islamabad, Rawalpindi, Naushera
5. Bhatinda – Bhawalnagar, Sahiwal, as south as Fort Abbas

Staging ops from Amristsar and Udhampur would give even more coverage. But I don't know if the airbases are equipped for fighter ops.

SWAC Bases

1. Phalodi – Can not hit deep in Pak but can hit an enemy offensive into Rajashthan giving coverage to Jaisalmer/Longewla, Bikaner
2. Uttarlai – Islamkot, Umarkot and can give coverage to Southern Rajshthan
3. Bhuj – Can hot upto 75 km in Sindh – Badin
4. Jaisalmer – does not have fighter squadrons now but has in the past – Rahimyar Khan, Sadiqbad etc.

With a 200 km combat radius Tejas can can fully support offensive into North and Central Pakjab (line North of Fort Abbas). With a centreline fuel tank and 275 k radius it can also support offensives into South Pakjab and Sindh.

In Air defence role with a 300 -350 km combat radius it can protect the entire IB in overlapping circles. Obviously Tejas will not be based at every airbase but the point I am making is that it can do the job it is meant for.

I would base Tejas in Srinagar, Pathankot, Adampur, Jaisalmer, Bhatinda, Bhuj and Uttarlai.

The LCA just needs to be able to get into the air rapidly and cover as much of the IB (and internals of India for air policing during peacetime) as possible- nothing more, nothing less. This is the primary role it will have- as an interceptor- everything else is entirely secondary.


The LCA will be a success if given the chance of that I am certain.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

The LCA just needs to be able to get into the air rapidly and cover as much of the IB (and internals of India for air policing during peacetime) as possible- nothing more, nothing less. This is the primary role it will have- as an interceptor- everything else is entirely secondary.


The LCA will be a success if given the chance of that I am certain.

i still stand by what i said
16 jets/year x 6.6 years = 106 jets by 2024 end
24 jets/year x 6 years = 144 by 2030 end
on top 20 IOC JETS

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Grand total - 270 Tejas - all variants by 2030 end

Key point; EXECUTION - Thats all

 

[abingdonboy]

i still stand by what i said
16 jets/year x 6.6 years = 106 jets by 2024 end
24 jets/year x 6 years = 144 by 2030 end
on top 20 IOC JETS

---------------------------------------------
Grand total - 270 Tejas - all variants by 2030 end

Key point; EXECUTION - Thats all

Execution is critcal but al too often forgotten by many who seme to think that once a system is developed, validated an induction that's it- mission accomplished but that is only really half the battle. The key is getting these systems in the right quantity within the right timeframe otherwise you start to reduce the potency and redundancy creeps in. Just clearing a deal isn't enough, just putting out an RFP doesn't mean anything and just inducting something is inadequate. You've got to hit the ground running.

I can see that things are begining to change on this front (for the better) with the MoD now focusing on execution- HAL actively talking about execution is a major change with the proposed 16/year LCAs, doubling production of Akash to 100/month, HAL creating new production lines ahead of induction with a capacity of 60 LUH/year, the P-17A focusing on quality and speed of execution (once the lines are up and running and the first ship enteres service, the IN will be recieving 1 7,000 super advanced P-17A a year from 2022- isn't that amazing?) etc etc.

A long, long way to go but the positive signs are there.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Execution is critcal but al too often forgotten by many who seme to think that once a system is developed, validated an induction that's it- mission accomplished but that is only really half the battle. The key is getting these systems in the right quantity within the right timeframe otherwise you start to reduce the potency and redundancy creeps in. Just clearing a deal isn't enough, just putting out an RFP doesn't mean anything and just inducting something is inadequate. You've got to hit the ground running.

I can see that things are begining to change on this front (for the better) with the MoD now focusing on execution- HAL actively talking about execution is a major change with the proposed 16/year LCAs, doubling production of Akash to 100/month, HAL creating new production lines ahead of induction with a capacity of 60 LUH/year, the P-17A focusing on quality and speed of execution (once the lines are up and running and the first ship enteres service, the IN will be recieving 1 7,000 super advanced P-17A a year from 2022- isn't that amazing?) etc etc.

A long, long way to go but the positive signs are there.

HAL is going for a major image makeover.. Credit goes to the present MOD and DM who is after them to show results and proper project execution..

The moment our agencies start delivering results, the whole MIC structure changes and evolves better..A robust MIC will deliver credible results...

I am looking forward to LnT tie up with HAL. it seems they already are making stuff for Tejas.. so better make them a grade 1 component manufacturer and sub assembler.. That way a lot of load will be offloaded from HAL.

Tejas's success will change the face of our MIC surely..

 

[abingdonboy]

HAL is going for a major image makeover.. Credit goes to the present MOD and DM who is after them to show results and proper project execution..

True but HAL is also responsible for its own success and I think their rotary wing has been a HUGE demonstrator of their prowess, the LCA will be the next.

I am looking forward to LnT tie up with HAL. it seems they already are making stuff for Tejas.. so better make them a grade 1 component manufacturer and sub assembler.. That way a lot of load will be offloaded from HAL.

HAL has a LOT on its plate, it needs to offload it where possible to the private sector.

Tejas's success will change the face of our MIC surely..

For sure, the meticulous nature of the project has produced a disarmingly cute beast. Once she enters operational service and proves her worth the narrative is going to change in a flash. I am hoping that a lot of R&D effort remains on the LCA and she is continuously upgraded and refined.


LCA and Rafale in production in India will cut off a lot of funding from certain quarters and the entire enviroment will become far more positive.

 

[Narasimh]

HAL on mission mode to ramp up Tejas production
Bengaluru, March 24: Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) is sparing no efforts to ensure that the series production at its LCA-Tejas Division in Bengaluru picks up momentum. Often at the receiving end for poor production schedules, HAL officials are now determined to plug the loopholes that dented their image.

During a facility visit to Tejas Division recently, OneIndia was witness to the shift in HAL's work philosophies. The state-of-the-art hangar was abuzz with activities. The jigs were getting loaded with plane parts. Majority of employees are now working from morning 7 am to 9 pm, which General Manager V Sridharan terms it as a 'voluntary effort.'

View Photos

A team of young designers and engineers were seen working hand in hand with support staff at the shop floor to ensure that the Indian Air Force (IAF) got the required fighters to form the first Tejas Squadron in Bengaluru.

Components for SP-3 to SP-8 get on to the jigs

With SP-1 already doing routine test flights since September 2014 and SP-2 too now joining the duties, HAL hopes to ramp up the pace of Tejas production soon.

The necessity to wipe out the image as a 'laid-back-PSU,' has been increasingly felt after the T Suvarna Raju took over the reins of HAL. Raju is said to be playing a silent role backing youngsters who are eager to ring in a corporate culture in HAL.

View Photos

"The energy levels are high and we are wasting no time in our efforts to step up the production rate. Now, SP-3 is all set to enter the equipping and final assembly and SP-4 is ready to go for coupling. All SP-5 components are already on the jig. And, some of the modules of SP-6 and SP-7 too are entering the jig," says Sridharan.

He is confident of loading the components of SP-8 also on to the jig within a month, thereby ensuring an early roll out of the fighters.

Our actions will speak now: Sridharan

HAL says during the 2016-2017 period it would increase the production rate between 8-12 aircraft. When pointed out that HAL often missed its production deadlines, Sridharan was quick to add: "In the past we had issues. We have moved on and our actions will speak now."

Amidst the stepped-up activities on the production line, HAL has also started the work on the Tejas MK1A variant. Engineers at Aircraft Research and Design Centre have begun the conceptual design and development work.

View Photos

By December 2018, the SOP (Standard of Preparation) is likely to be finalised. The Drawing Applicability List (DAL) will also be ready soon. (DAL is a key element of SOP).

"We are planning to have four Tejas MKIAs ready by 2018/19 and these platforms will be with slight weight reduction. By June 2016, some concrete plans for Tejas MKIA will be ready," says an official. As per the current plans, by 2025 HAL must hand over 100 Tejas MKIAs to IAF.

Most modules getting outsourced

As part of HAL's ramping up production plans, the wing modules have already been outsourced now. Tenders have been already floated inviting private vendors for manufacturing central, rear and front fuselages.

"The fins, rudders and around 33 electrical panels have been outsourced. We want to become the prime integrator. We have already outsourced 52 LRUs," says an official.

The Tejas Division itself is on expansion mode with a state-of-the-art painting hangar already in. A separate hangar for assembly line is expected to be completed by June.

View Photos

Tarmac upgradation process also has begun for supporting squadron operations. A new customer service block is coming up. A dedicated fuel slush hangar and rain water system check facility is also in.

"Capacity augmentation to double the production rate is our key mission now. There is already a proposal for additional production facility sent to MoD for approval," says an official.

Raju says young team will do wonders

HAL Chairman T Suvarna Raju says he has full faith in the young team headed by Sridharan.

"Tejas Division has been undertaking challenging missions and their role has increased now with more fighters being rolled out. It will become a nerve-center for many more missions in future. I have complete faith in their abilities," says Raju.

At a recent review meeting of Tejas programme chaired by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in Delhi, all stake-holders are said to have expressed their satisfaction over the progress of the project.

Parrikar's intervention and constant monitoring of the project is said to be having a positive bearing on the programme, especially in the last six months.

(The writer is an author, blogger and seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. His upcoming book 'Precious Souls' captures the inspiring lives of special children and their families. He is the Consulting Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets@writetake.)

Great News Sir!! Hope to see a Tejas sqaudron in every base in India!

 

[abingdonboy]

Great News Sir!! Hope to see a Tejas sqaudron in every base in India!

That's not how these things work.

 

[Narasimh]

That's not how these things work.

I might have sounded over-optimistic with that but considering naval LCAs also, I think major air bases(including naval air bases) in each of the sectors is likely to host the LCA depending on the role IAF decides for it.
Most likely IAF will stick with Interceptor/fighter-trainer role, I expect it to be deployed in FOBs as well as deep in territory.

 

[Panjab47]

@tejas warrior lol adampur is 2.5kos from my ancestral village & around 12-13 from my current. Underground hangars full of mig-21 back in 71 war my grandfather used to watch them.

 

[garg_bharat]

HAL aren't an engine manufactuerer. GRTE (DRDO) are the apex engine makers in India and like all R&D feilds in India have been underfunded for decades, even China (whose economy is >7 times India's) hasn't built a reliable engine yet.

Really?

Who are you? Completely ignorant but claiming to be an expert.

Get an education BOY!