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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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SO BEGINS THE PHASE 2 of operation tarnish LCA tejas reputation by the media..naming no names here just waiting for some 'Think tanks' to write follow up with the false information now....
Just go through this below Article the UTTER TRASH and BLATANT LIES in this article is glaring obvious for people who have been following defence related news. Bile and Vomit.

Tejas grounds Medium Combat Aircraft project - The New Indian Express

The much-touted Tejas has taken 30 years already, at an escalated project cost of Rs 5,489 crore. Since the LCA project was sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore, the time overrun has resulted in a 10-fold increase in the project cost. The plane is yet to get even its Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) so that the IAF could take the plane for a spin. But sources pointed out that the LCA still lacks certain critical capabilities, including a reliable radar, and is deficient in at least 100 technical parameters. "The plane cannot fly on its own. It needs a lifeline in the form of support and monitoring of its systems from the ground by technicians," they said.
What The F*** is this....are we running some cartoon network show or a defence related project. I never knew that Tejas has been converted to UAV . I mean the great author thinks or is implying that the plane is flown with a invisible rope running from ground technicians ROLF :rofl::shocked:
Where do they find such charecters . I mean even my 14 year old niegbhour writes better researched school homework.
GUYS when I first mentioned couple of pages back that a campaign is being launched for derailing this project many of you would not have believed me. But I have followed what happened with the ARJUN from the early 2000's and I am seeing a repeat starting here...
Sad..Very very Sad...
 

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LCA Flight test update

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2125 Test Flights Successfully. (17-April--2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-363,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-72,LSP5-160,LSP7-34,NP1-4,LSP8-1)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2131 Test Flights Successfully. (20-April--2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-364,LSP1-74,LSP2-259,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-72,LSP5-164,LSP7-34,NP1-4,LSP8-1)
 

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LCA Flight test update

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2131 Test Flights Successfully. (20-April--2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-364,LSP1-74,LSP2-259,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-72,LSP5-164,LSP7-34,NP1-4,LSP8-1)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2134 Test Flights Successfully. (23-April--2013).

(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-364,LSP1-74,LSP2-260,PV5-36,LSP3-121,LSP4-72,LSP5-165,LSP7-34,NP1-4,LSP8-2)
 

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Tejas not suffering delays not due to technical deficiency

Recent media reports has been claiming technical deficiency of Tejas, sources close to idrw.org and some close to the program have informed that Tejas program is not suffering from technical deficiency has reported, other sources somewhat confirmed that "Go slow "approach has been adopted on AMCA case but work is moving ahead by small group of scientist has most of focus is still on achieving IOC-2 and to get Tejas MK-II in air by 2015.

Claims of Tejas requiring hours or days of technical checks after each flight was also dismissed by our sources. "It has to happen when TD-1 and TD-2 has to fly but not now" claimed a source, "same aircrafts are available for flights even on same day if they are any schedule test flights ". Aircrafts have successfully operated outside HAL complex (Bangalore) many times for various trials with minimum Ground crew "said same source.

Another source claimed "Tejas is suffering delays due to inexperience of ADA and HAL in getting things done in time frame and its failure to move production of various components from lab to production house". But there is no denying that HAL is also guilty for not able to put the aircraft in production due to its own deficiency and it lack of trained manpower It takes HAL 9 to 12 months to assemble and make one Tejas aircraft airworthy, HAL is trying to bring it down immediately to 3 months and by 2015 HAL plans to cut it to 1.5 months for each aircraft.

IAF have ordered 40 Tejas MK-1, first 20 Tejas MK-1 will be based on IOC-2 Configuration and next batch will be based on Tejas MK-1 FOC configuration, ADA will be putting together Tejas MK-2 for its first flight by early 2015. In next Two or three years Tejas program has to achieve IOC-2, FOC for Tejas MK-1 and first flight of Tejas MK-2 and its production and certification , Refocus will also be back on testing of Naval Tejas . This has lead to "Go slow "approach on AMCA. And first flight of AMCA will also suffer delays due to this and first flight mostly likely will happen in 2020 or later as per sources.

Tejas not suffering delays not due to technical deficiency | idrw.org
 

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Slightly Older but Interesting interview with Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd)
FORCE Nov 2010

'There Will Be Design Changes in LCA Mk-2 and all Design Changes will Lead to a Weight Penalty'
Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd)

In your opinion what are the shortfalls the LCA could be facing currently because of an underpowered engine?

Lack of engine power leads to lack of performance. The main shortcoming would probably be in manoeuvring flight and the ability to take off with the required load from runways in hot and high conditions. There will be increase in time to climb to height and it won't accelerate as fast. So the Indian Air Force (IAF) in its wisdom has said that they are not happy with the performance of the LCA with its current engine. One of the points mentioned is that the sustained turn rate has been lower than specified. One must understand that the performance parameters laid down in the Air Staff Requirement (ASR) have been arrived after a lot of debate in Air Headquarters. I don't understand the argument of reducing the payload to meet performance. The IAF requires a certain level of performance to be delivered for the payload that is being asked for. Engine power is important and having arrived at the conclusion that thrust on the current GE-404 engine is insufficient, it is the GE-F-414 that has been chosen.

Now thrust is proportional to fuel consumption and increased thrust will lead to increased fuel consumption which will have a bearing on mission performance. Having a more powerful engine does not automatically increase performance.

What changes will the choice of a new engine require for the LCA Mk-2?


With regards to the LCA Mk-2 there will be design changes and all design changes will lead to a weight penalty. The outcome of this design exercise that ADA is undertaking on the LCA Mk-2 is yet to be seen. The LCA Mk-2 will have a slighter longer fuselage and may carry more fuel as well. Will the weight go up, will they add more fuel, will the aircraft be able to offer the performance demanded by the IAF with an engine offering more thrust and higher fuel consumption are questions I cannot answer, as these details have not been made public. We could however use this opportunity to lengthen the fuselage, look at the wave drag to improve aerodynamics, put a wider chord on the wings to generate more lift, etc. However, this would then essentially result in a new aircraft but it will be a more capable aircraft and this is a good opportunity to do so. The slightly larger LCA Mk-2 can also include essential operational equipment without which the LCA Mk-2 will not be able to fulfill its operational role. These changes would lead to increase in the All Up Weight (AUW) and result in the LCA Mk-2 being different from Mk-1 by 25 per cent.

By when do you see these changes being completed and the LCA Mk-2 taking to the air with the GE-F414 engine?


I will be extremely happy if the LCA Mk-2 flies by 2015 and all these changes are completed in the next five years. If they are changes in chord of wing and length of fuselage, then the FCS will also need changes. All these would again require flight testing, though not as extensive as that of the LCA Mk-1. This will require a flight test schedule that will take 2 to 2.5 years in my opinion. The LCA Mk-2 would then attain operational capability by 2018 and enter operational service with the IAF by 2020. If we can achieve this, it would be commendable.

Is it also time to review the role of the LCA in IAF, considering it will be operating next to the Su 30 MKI and MMRCA followed by the FGFA?


The LCA will be a frontline fighter capable of protecting itself and carrying out a useful strike role. But its theatre of operations will depend on the threat levels it will face. If we develop the LCA Mk-2 with the necessary Electronic Warfare (EW) and countermeasure dispensing capability, I don't see why it cannot be used in any theatre of war. Given our geographical size and the need to face two fronts, we still need numbers with the IAF talking about 40 squadrons. The LCA will be the 3rd tier after the Su-30 MKI/FGFA and MMRCA. The IAF says that they will take 40 LCA Mk-1 aircraft and those aircraft are important for the simple reason that it will enable both ADA and HAL to obtain spares consumption data as to how many maintenance hours are required per flying hour. This data can be accumulated by using the LCA Mk-1 over this decade to put product support in place. The hope is that by the time the LCA Mk-2 is ready to enter service; all these problems would have been ironed out. The LCA Mk-1 could also be used to create an Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) if required to feed pilots into the system as the IAF will be inducting large numbers of aircraft over the next two decades. The LCA Mk-1 will serve the IAF extremely well for at least the next three decades.

What needs to be done to improve performance and reduce the weight of the LCA?


The way to go about increasing the LCA's performance is by reducing its drag and weight including structural weight but this is a long drawn out exercise. The entire aircraft has to be instrumented so we can measure the loads existing in flight and then compare the data with design loads that have been catered for. A particular part of the structure could have been made too strong and another part too weak. So we have to perform a structural optimisation exercise that usually results in reduction in weight. The aerodynamic optimisation will lead to some configuration changes. Unfortunately our aeronautical institutions from the days of the HT-2 have never undertaken the task of measuring the aerodynamic loads during flight and optimising the structure. We did not do it for the 'Marut' or the 'Kiran'. I have always maintained that performing a structural optimisation exercise is the way to go. I am told that it is a time consuming exercise, but we have to start from somewhere. There is no easy way out. You can also reduce weight by looking at the Line Replaceable Units (LCA), Head-Up Displays (HUD), and Mission Computers etc.

Will the selection of the GE-F414 benefit any of the competitors in the MMRCA contract for the IAF?


The aircraft using the GE 414 engine in the MMRCA competition are the F/A 18 Super Hornet and the Gripen. If they factor in this development it will definitely benefit as the cost of acquisition of these aircraft would come down a little bit. Certainly if the GE 414 is made in India it will bring down the cost of that acquisition, maybe by about 10 per cent.

Do you see the Snecma-Kaveri engine entering service in the LCA?


I definitely do not see the Snecma-Kaveri engine powering either the LCA Mk-1 or Mk-2. However LCA Mk-1 will be used as a flying test bed to put the engine through its paces, before it enters service. However we have to develop the Snecma-Kaveri engine because we cannot call ourselves an aeronautical power in any sense of the word unless we have our own engine. As we speak the Kaveri engine is getting ready to fly in Russia which will give us an enormous amount of confidence. After the 100 hour programme we will have a significant amount of data. With the French coming in the Kaveri will now become a reality and it will get test flown on the LCA airframe at some point of time. My estimate is that this will happen sometime between 2015 and 2018, once we sign on the dotted line. That is the engine that the MCA will be designed around and it will power this aircraft.

What needs to be done to ensure that MCA flies with an Indian engine?

The first thing that needs to be done is to complete the 100 hour Flying Test Bed (FTB) programme on the existing Kaveri engine. That is an essential pre condition. The data generated from the 100 hour FTB programme, will enable us to communicate much better with the French as we would have flown an engine, compared to the static test beds so far. We will also be able to extract more out of the French if this is done. The next is to develop this engine as soon as possible and put this in a flying test bed and keep it ready by the time the MCA gets designed. If we get our sums right then we can fly the MCA with an Indian engine between 2020 and 2022. This will also require a large number of designers and currently there is a serious manpower constraint in the design bureaus of HAL, ADA and elsewhere. You just have to look at the number of projects ongoing currently, HAL is now developing the LCH, LUH another helicopter in the 10 tonne class followed by programmes for the LCA, MCA, FGFA, Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA), Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40) followed by upgrades for Jaguar, Mig-29, Mirage 2000, etc. All this, requires a large number of designers working concurrently as these programmes are being run side by side.
 

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Reign of Naval aviators
LCA Navy programme will deliver operational LCA Navy Mk-2 fighter only a decade from now
By Atul Chandra FORCE

Bangalore: The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) designed Light Combat Aircraft (Navy) is a highly ambitious project to develop the world's smallest and lightest, carrier borne fighter with an unstable delta configuration and digital Fly by Wire (FBW). The LCA Navy must cater for a low approach speed, Ski Jump take off capability, with critical management of Angle of Attack (AoA), and have a structure capable of absorbing high vertical speeds while landing on an aircraft carrier deck. For ADA, with no experience in designing such an aircraft, the task has proved to be monumental and the first flight of the LCA Navy Trainer Prototype (NP-1) has been delayed by over a year. It is expected to take place only in the first half of this year.

The delay cannot be good news for the Indian Navy which, committed as it is to indigenisation, can now realistically expect the LCA Trainer variant to achieve Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) by 2016, with Final Operational Clearance (FOC) expected two years later, by 2018. This would actually be very good going as ADA would have delivered an operational navy trainer with which selected aircrew could begin conversion training aboard an aircraft carrier.

Admiral Nirmal Verma speaking at the roll out of NP-1 stated that "The LCA Navy aircrew should have carried out conversion flying on the LCA Navy Trainer by 2014, as the indigenous aircraft carrier presently under construction in Kochi would also enter service at the same time." As per a report by the Comptroller and Audit General (CAG) last year, as of December 2009, only 35 per cent work on the indigenous carrier had been completed. Compared to NP-1, the LCA Navy Fighter Prototype (NP-2) will feature revised air intakes for better engine performance at low speeds, full navy-specified avionics suite and increased internal fuel. The programme, as it stands today, needs more than a decade of design, development and flight testing before being able to trap on deck as an operational, all weather fleet defence fighter, flying off an aircraft carrier. Former chairman (HAL) Ashok Nayak had requested an early order for Limited Series Production (LSP) production of the LCA Navy Trainer, as a lead time of three years is required, to manufacture the aircraft. These orders would then be dovetailed into HAL's existing orders. As it stands now, the LCA Navy Trainer will have only limited operational relevance.

More importantly, the final operational LCA Navy Mk-2 fighter version fitted with GE F-414 engines will be delivered only by the year 2021-2022 or a decade from today. The first flight of the Navy Mk-2 variant will realistically not take place before 2017-2018. This is because the IAF Mk-2 variant itself was given a four year time schedule and the GE F-414 engine (selection delayed by close to two years) will now come in only by next year (2013). This will be followed by at least two and a half to three years of flight testing to be completed, including Ski Jump and Arrested Recovery trials aboard a carrier. There is also the matter of the small number of aircraft being provided for testing with only two naval prototypes for Mk-2 variant being contracted for. HAL's ability to churn out the prototypes in time is also limited and the existing manpower and industrial resources to run major programmes like this, simultaneously, are limited. Succession planning of people involved with the project also needs to be catered for. P.S. Subramanyam, director ADA, is already on an extension and expected to retire this year.

Rather surprisingly, the LCA Navy was sold to the Indian Navy as a 'Minimum Change' programme, emerging as an offshoot of the Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter version. However, while it is easier to convert an aircraft designed from the start for carrier operations to a land-based one, the other way round is much tougher. This was admitted as much by P.S. Subramanyam in an interview to FORCE, way back in 2010, when he said, "In hindsight, it would have been easier to design the naval variant first and then quickly move onto the air force variant and not the other way around. Our initial estimates on the amount of work required on the Naval variant were not quite accurate and the programme gave us some surprises." The LCA Navy Mk-2 fighter is expected to have only a 60 per cent commonality with its IAF counterpart. Unfortunately, ADA refused to provide an update on the LCA Navy for this article. Interestingly, it was the navy which showed more faith in the LCA by providing an initial funding of about Rs 900 crore for the naval variant in 2003, compared to the IAF, which did not invest any funds till the decision was made to purchase 20 fighters in 2006. The navy began showing serious interest in the programme from 1995 onwards.

The programme currently lacks the required numbers of naval test pilots and naval test engineers to work on the programme. This is essential as the stress of operating a fully-fuelled and armed fighter on a confined aircraft carrier deck is best understood by a naval aviator. According to Air Marshal Phillip Rajkumar (retd), "The Navy requires at least four pilots and four test engineers working on this programme full time, to complete development in a reasonable timeframe." The landing gear for the LCA Navy (NP-1) is also said to be overweight by almost 400kg and the LCA Navy Mk-2 will feature a revised undercarriage. The hefty looking landing gear has a longer oleo stroke and will take up more space while retracted into the fuselage, and uses the same schematics as the IAF version necessitating the use of a stay which has lead to an increase in weight. Without a doubt, the landing gear is overdesigned and it remains to be seen how best it will be resolved on the revised landing gear that will appear on the LCA Mk-2 Fighter and Trainer.

The decision to have two different types of landing gear on the Mk-1 and Mk-2 will mean that the new landing gear on the Mk-2 variant will need to be flight tested again. According to N.C. Agarwal, former director Design and Development (D&D) HAL, "Enough work will be carried out on Mk-1 aircraft and many teething problems will be resolved on it. However, there will be many new and unexplored areas that will require additional testing. This is true for any new programme." The delays also mean that obsolescence management needs to be looked at closely, as obsolescence of items like Line Replaceable Units (LRU), needs to be catered for.the navy trainer NP-1, hardware-in-loop simulation for the Flight Control System (FCS) testing called 'Iron-Bird' will need to be completed. On the 'Iron Bird', the entire hydraulics, FCS and avionics would be integrated for evaluation of the software. Failure states, emergency hydraulics and the Mission Computer (MC) need to be tested which can be done only on the Iron Bird. All failure states from the Digital Flight Control Computer (DFCC) go to the Mission Computer and the software between DFCC and MC needs to be tested on the Iron Bird before the first flight. This is a time consuming exercise where no shortcut can be allowed as it is critical for flight safety. The Control Law for the FBW will need to be modified and tested extensively on the LCA Navy NP-1, as there is no prior experience in this area, especially when trials are conducted off the aircraft carrier. The LCA Navy is being designed to have a 'Hands Free' take off. When an aircraft is launched 'Off the Deck' and leaves the Ski Jump, it is not able to sustain wing borne flight instantly. This means that the aircraft would sink immediately after clearing the Ski Jump, but needs to keep on accelerating while maintaining the optimum Angle of Attack (Alpha) at this time. This task is expected to be automated to a large extent and is understood to be progressing smoothly. The LCA Navy is also slated to have an auto throttle and autopilot.

Apart from this, there will be a large amount of flight testing required to prove carrier compatibility and demonstrate that the aircraft is capable of operation on an aircraft carrier. Flight testing will also need to cater to the Ski Jump testing at both the Shore Based Test Facility (SBTF) at Goa and on the actual aircraft carrier. The SBTF along with a landing area is expected to be complete this year. Towards this end, a significant amount of money has been spent in developing the SBTF, at Goa. The most critical tests for the LCA Navy will be those that will have to be performed aboard the aircraft carrier at sea. This would encompass testing to demonstrate the aircraft's wind deck envelope catering for cross winds and wind speeds. Ship motion testing will be challenging as well. Arrested recovery trials will also need to be done.

While the task at hand seems daunting, the LCA Navy carries many of the well accepted features from the IAF 'Tejas' programme. According to AM Rajkumar, "The Tejas will have very good flying qualities and has an autopilot in place, along with limiters in the Flight Control System (FCS). It will, therefore, be a safe and pilot friendly aircraft." Most of the software has already been developed and the aircraft geometry is proven. The LCA Navy is expected to have similar flying characteristics and also features a very good man machine interface. It will have Beyond Visual Range (BVR) and Close Combat Missiles (CCM) along with an AESA radar. One would expect that the LCA Navy will be able to launch the missiles that are currently in the Indian Navy inventory and also feature the Astra BVR missile at a later date. It would also be equipped with Laser designator pod and precision guided munitions. Integration of the required avionics/sensors/weapons required by the navy should not pose a problem as HAL has built up substantial capability in this area with Jaguar DARIN 2/3 upgrade and Mig-27 upgrade. On entering operational service with the Indian Navy LCA Navy, Mk-2 will most likely serve as a point air defence fighter for the carrier battle group.

The Indian Navy is committed to becoming a builders' Navy and it would seem that this extends to aircraft as well! While the service is most committed to indigenisation among the three services, the navy is said to be increasingly unhappy over the delays with LCA Navy programme. The Navy will face a stark choice in case the LCA Navy Mk-2 is unable to meet its operational requirements as promised to be delivered by its designers. The Indian Naval Air Arm has chosen the Mig-29 K as its main ship borne fighter and is most likely to be the only naval air arm to ever operate the type. The LCA Navy is crucial to the Navies' plan to acquire more numbers of smaller, less expensive and capable carrier borne fighter for its new carriers. One hopes that the LCA Navy is not late for its own party.
 

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@Austin, Kindly provide link fro your article, thnx..
 
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LCA Tejas Flight Test Chief's Candid Review Of Aircraft
Thursday, February 21, 2013



This piece by the project director (flight test) on the LCA Tejas programme was presented earlier this month at the Aero India seminar. An enlightening read.


By Air Commodore K.A. Muthana, VSM

1. The Indian Light Combat aircraft (LCA) was conceived in the early eighties and is now on the threshold of entering squadron service. The legacy of this aircrafts' development has resulted in true challenges to deployment being faced at a very late stage. There are even insinuations that this aircraft has been more of a success to the scientists in lab coats than to the war fighter in flight suits. True; this fine aircraft has been hostage to a series of systemic shortcomings. There are significant lessons here for the Indian aviation industry. It is vitally important that these lessons are imbibed in order to move forward coherently in building a strong aeronautics industry in this country.

AIM


2. Aim of this paper is to critically examine the challenges faced in transitioning the LCA from design to deployment and thus learn lessons for the future.


SYSTEMIC SHORTCOMINGS

3. Higher Defense Management. A fundamental challenge has been the structure of the Indian higher defense management. Broadly speaking, there are three verticals within the Indian Ministry of Defense that steer this program. One such vertical is headed by a war fighter, another by a bureaucrat and the third by a technocrat. In this totally State funded and State managed program, interdepartmental oversight has been lacking. It is necessary that a single political entity take charge of such projects to attribute responsibility and demand accountability. Even if private players become significant, interdepartmental co-ordination would be possible only by an informed and responsible political entity.

4. Clarity on Standards. The base document for development of LCA is a beautifully crafted Air Staff Requirement that was clearly ahead of its time and is relevant even today, nearly three decades later. This document primarily restricted itself to stating performance requirements. It is very interesting to note that the country in which aviation is widely accepted to have been born, the USA, (I say widely accepted because I have heard Russians say otherwise), through a document generally referred to as the Perry Document adopted a similar procedure in 1994! The ASR document however, mandated the use of US military specifications and standards of the day as the guiding document for design. The relevant standards and specifications were to have been culled out by D Aero at DRDO HQ. Any concessions were to be sought from IAF HQ. There is no evidence to show that a comprehensive process was followed. This apparent lapse has lead to a number of challenges in design that we face today; so close to deployment.

5. Clarity on Path to Certification. In many ways this is the first fighter aircraft design and development program in India, after a gap of about four decades. Design expertise from the old program of HF-24 was not available, and moreover, the LCA envisaged a quantum leap in technology. To the Indian certification agency also therefore, this was 'learning in progress'. The path to certification is evolving along with the aircraft. The extent of analyses and testing required tended to be a little open ended. Comprehensive documentation of the path to certification in this program will hugely benefit future programs.

6. Agencies for Design, Development and Support. If the process of design itself is to be accomplished by two design houses working under two different verticals mentioned in Para 2 above, there would be a price to pay. While ADA had a single point focus, clearly HAL ARDC had multiple foci. HALs indigenous programs clearly have priority within that organization and therefore so do resource allocation. The aircraft would continue to develop during its lifetime and all round support would be necessary. The responsibility for, post deployment maintenance of documentation, software and their periodic up gradation remains open ended. Unless resolved, this story of an inconvenient marriage would be continuing saga and have adverse effects on the product during its entire lifetime.

7. Customer Involvement. During the design and development process itself, it is vital that comprehensive knowledge of aviation in general and military aviation in particular is made available to the program. Scientists and design engineers do not have that knowledge. The Indian Air Force is the only repository of comprehensive military aviation knowledge in this country. Either its expertise was not sought or it was denied. Also we probably have the only aviation companies in the world that do not have aviators embedded into design teams. As a result, while the designers concentrated on getting the technology airborne, the design necessities of turning the aircraft into a maintainable, deployable and employable weapon platform were missed to a large extent. Originally a reluctant customer, the Indian Air Force involved itself sufficiently only after contracting for supply of the aircraft in 2006. It was late in the program and hundreds of 'Requests for Action' had to be raised in order to retrieve the situation to some extent, but this lead to time and cost overruns.

8. Evaluation of Prototypes. In the process of transitioning from design and development to series production, limited or otherwise, an essential step is to undertake a formal comprehensive evaluation of the prototype vehicles. It is in this process that the platforms testability and therefore maintainability, and its suitability for deployment can be assessed and recommendations made for the required standard of preparation (SOP) for series production (SP) aircraft. Having neglected to undertake this step, limited series production aircraft are worthy of remaining test aircraft only and SOP of series production aircraft continues to evolve!

9. Development of Avionics Package. No customer would be willing to accept obsolescent equipment at induction. Slow progress of the program coupled with rapid development in the field of electronics played its part in inefficient development of the avionics package on the aircraft. The initial focus on airframe and basic platform issues led to a delay in requirement generation and creation of mission specific software modules. Staggered integration of various mission systems also precluded comprehensive global software development, and allowed development effort to be frittered away in development of patches and modules catering only for immediate needs of the hour. Lack of operational requirements expertise in design teams led to replicating Mirage cockpit logic on the aircraft without exploiting the significantly advanced hardware architecture of this aircraft.

A major course correction had to be effected when the IAF finally got into the program. Lack of realistic evaluation and simulation tools meant that evaluation in most cases was carried out in the air for the first time leading to delays due to the requirement of even small fixes having to go through the complete clearance cycle.

10. Process of Transitioning from Design to Manufacture. There are many challenges that we face in transitioning from design to manufacture. One is the necessity to convert frozen design drawings into production drawings. Purportedly an elaborate process that has to be undertaken by dedicated integration teams. These have then to be cleared by the certification agency and followed diligently by the manufacturing and quality control agencies. Other shortcomings are; inability to meet manufacturing tolerances; non availability of correct jigs, fixtures and tooling to meet DAL requirements; non availability of suitable calibrating equipment; and, lack of trained manpower. These challenges directly affect the quality of manufacture.

11. Concurrent Development of Support Systems. The necessity to concurrently design and develop support equipment like tools, testers and ground equipment (TTGE) must not be underestimated. Designers have to understand that the testers that they develop to enable the design process would be unsuitable for use by the war fighter. What is required are simple testers ruggedized to be deployable and employable in the field, by young air warriors with limited education, in order to establish serviceability of a platform to undertake a mission. Similarly, ground support equipment has to be suited well, be light and durable for easy employability and transportability. Such support is vital to deploy the aircraft quickly and repeatedly and thus exploit the inherent advantages of airpower. Development of mission support systems like planning & debrief systems, simulators etc have been lagging and will affect ease of deployment.

12. Flight & Maintenance Manuals. Before the LCA can be deployed, it is obviously necessary that the users are adequately trained to maintain and operate this aircraft. For training to be effective, prior generation of deliverable documentation is essential. These documents will have to be upgraded and supported through the life time of the aircraft. Generation and sustenance of flight and maintenance publications is a major activity and deserves the creation of a separate technical documentation group. Designer's documents have to be culled down and adapted to the requirements of maintenance manuals which are suited to the not so highly qualified maintenance crew. Information further culled and adapted from these manuals, when enhanced by the addition of flight handling information, translate into a set of flight manuals which are used by the aircrew. Generation of documentation deliverable to the customer has been hampered by the absence of a cohesive and sustainable structure.

13. Simulators. It is important that maintenance and flight simulators are available to train the customer ground crew and aircrew. Based on the contract between the IAF and HAL, ADA did develop maintenance simulators. With the flight simulators, however, it was a strange story. While the ASR did envisage the requirement of a simulator before deployment, no such development was undertaken. Along with the contract for supply of aircraft, funds were allocated by the Government of India for a simulator to be built by HAL on 'Build, Operate and Maintain' (BOM) basis. This was a new concept and years were lost in deciding whether funding would be on the capital route or on the revenue route. As a result there would be no representative flight simulator available for use by the customer aircrew. The situation will be aggravated by the non availability of a trainer variant of the aircraft in the required time frame.

14. Operating Infrastructure. Infrastructure necessary for operating the aircraft has to be created at the intended base of operation, well in time for deployment. Although the requirement was projected well in time procedural delays have ensured that the work on ground is yet to start.

15. Professional Program Management. It is inconceivable that a program of this complexity can be run efficiently without the assistance of professional program managers who constantly advice the technocrat leadership. This would avoid a large number of issues cropping up at random, the thread being lost and the same issues cropping up again months later with little progress having been made! Critical path has to be continually identified and attended to. Cost and time overruns have to be tracked by professional program managers using powerful software. Only then can the customer be given a viable timeframe for deployment to enable his planning process. If he has to repeatedly throttle back, he will lose interest and look for alternatives. And that would be a tragedy for aeronautics in this country!

CONCLUSION

16. Tejas is a wonderful flying machine. It deserved to be in squadron service years ago. Remedial action on many of the shortcomings commented upon, if implemented even now, will favorably impact timelines for IOC and FOC of the Tejas Mk 1 aircraft. Favorable impact on Tejas Mk 2 and other future programs will be enormous.

Air Cmde KA Muthana, VSM, was commissioned in the fighter stream of Indian Air Force on 11 June 1981. He is a graduate of the Indian Air Force Test Pilots School. His on job experience as a test pilot include that of being the Jaguar Projects Pilot at Aircraft and Systems Testing Establishment in Bangalore, Chief Test Pilot at HAL's Nasik facility, Project Pilot with Sukhoi-30 MKI Project Team at Moscow, Russia and Director of Aircraft Upgrade at IAF HQ, New Delhi. He has been heading the National Flight Test Centre as Project Director (Flight Test) at ADA, Bangalore since 01 July 2011. This paper was presented at [PDF[ the 2013 Aero India Seminar earlier this month and is re-posted here.

http://livefist.blogspot.in/2013/02/lca-tejas-flight-test-chiefs-candid.html
 

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Tejas a lemon

LCA Tejas: An Indian Fighter – With Foreign Help
Apr 23, 2013 15:55 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff

April 21/13: Tejas a lemon? The Sunday Standard reports that the Tejas is much farther away from viability than anyone is admitting, and says that DRDO's notional stealth AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) has been put on hold until the LCA project can be made to work. A stealth FGFA/SU-50 is already in co-development with Russia, so AMCA's value is unclear anyway. With respect to the Tejas LCA, the Sunday Standard's unnamed sources say:
https://www.defenseindustrydaily.co...?utm_medium=textlink&utm_term=continuereading
 

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Slightly Older but Interesting interview with Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd)
FORCE Nov 2010

'There Will Be Design Changes in LCA Mk-2 and all Design Changes will Lead to a Weight Penalty'
Air Marshal Philip Rajkumar (retd)

In your opinion what are the shortfalls the LCA could be facing currently because of an underpowered engine?

Lack of engine power leads to lack of performance. The main shortcoming would probably be in manoeuvring flight and the ability to take off with the required load from runways in hot and high conditions. There will be increase in time to climb to height and it won't accelerate as fast. So the Indian Air Force (IAF) in its wisdom has said that they are not happy with the performance of the LCA with its current engine. One of the points mentioned is that the sustained turn rate has been lower than specified. One must understand that the performance parameters laid down in the Air Staff Requirement (ASR) have been arrived after a lot of debate in Air Headquarters. I don't understand the argument of reducing the payload to meet performance. The IAF requires a certain level of performance to be delivered for the payload that is being asked for. Engine power is important and having arrived at the conclusion that thrust on the current GE-404 engine is insufficient, it is the GE-F-414 that has been chosen.

Now thrust is proportional to fuel consumption and increased thrust will lead to increased fuel consumption which will have a bearing on mission performance. Having a more powerful engine does not automatically increase performance.

What changes will the choice of a new engine require for the LCA Mk-2?


With regards to the LCA Mk-2 there will be design changes and all design changes will lead to a weight penalty. The outcome of this design exercise that ADA is undertaking on the LCA Mk-2 is yet to be seen. The LCA Mk-2 will have a slighter longer fuselage and may carry more fuel as well. Will the weight go up, will they add more fuel, will the aircraft be able to offer the performance demanded by the IAF with an engine offering more thrust and higher fuel consumption are questions I cannot answer, as these details have not been made public. We could however use this opportunity to lengthen the fuselage, look at the wave drag to improve aerodynamics, put a wider chord on the wings to generate more lift, etc. However, this would then essentially result in a new aircraft but it will be a more capable aircraft and this is a good opportunity to do so. The slightly larger LCA Mk-2 can also include essential operational equipment without which the LCA Mk-2 will not be able to fulfill its operational role. These changes would lead to increase in the All Up Weight (AUW) and result in the LCA Mk-2 being different from Mk-1 by 25 per cent.

By when do you see these changes being completed and the LCA Mk-2 taking to the air with the GE-F414 engine?


I will be extremely happy if the LCA Mk-2 flies by 2015 and all these changes are completed in the next five years. If they are changes in chord of wing and length of fuselage, then the FCS will also need changes. All these would again require flight testing, though not as extensive as that of the LCA Mk-1. This will require a flight test schedule that will take 2 to 2.5 years in my opinion. The LCA Mk-2 would then attain operational capability by 2018 and enter operational service with the IAF by 2020. If we can achieve this, it would be commendable.

Is it also time to review the role of the LCA in IAF, considering it will be operating next to the Su 30 MKI and MMRCA followed by the FGFA?


The LCA will be a frontline fighter capable of protecting itself and carrying out a useful strike role. But its theatre of operations will depend on the threat levels it will face. If we develop the LCA Mk-2 with the necessary Electronic Warfare (EW) and countermeasure dispensing capability, I don't see why it cannot be used in any theatre of war. Given our geographical size and the need to face two fronts, we still need numbers with the IAF talking about 40 squadrons. The LCA will be the 3rd tier after the Su-30 MKI/FGFA and MMRCA. The IAF says that they will take 40 LCA Mk-1 aircraft and those aircraft are important for the simple reason that it will enable both ADA and HAL to obtain spares consumption data as to how many maintenance hours are required per flying hour. This data can be accumulated by using the LCA Mk-1 over this decade to put product support in place. The hope is that by the time the LCA Mk-2 is ready to enter service; all these problems would have been ironed out. The LCA Mk-1 could also be used to create an Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) if required to feed pilots into the system as the IAF will be inducting large numbers of aircraft over the next two decades. The LCA Mk-1 will serve the IAF extremely well for at least the next three decades.

What needs to be done to improve performance and reduce the weight of the LCA?


The way to go about increasing the LCA's performance is by reducing its drag and weight including structural weight but this is a long drawn out exercise. The entire aircraft has to be instrumented so we can measure the loads existing in flight and then compare the data with design loads that have been catered for. A particular part of the structure could have been made too strong and another part too weak. So we have to perform a structural optimisation exercise that usually results in reduction in weight. The aerodynamic optimisation will lead to some configuration changes. Unfortunately our aeronautical institutions from the days of the HT-2 have never undertaken the task of measuring the aerodynamic loads during flight and optimising the structure. We did not do it for the 'Marut' or the 'Kiran'. I have always maintained that performing a structural optimisation exercise is the way to go. I am told that it is a time consuming exercise, but we have to start from somewhere. There is no easy way out. You can also reduce weight by looking at the Line Replaceable Units (LCA), Head-Up Displays (HUD), and Mission Computers etc.

Will the selection of the GE-F414 benefit any of the competitors in the MMRCA contract for the IAF?


The aircraft using the GE 414 engine in the MMRCA competition are the F/A 18 Super Hornet and the Gripen. If they factor in this development it will definitely benefit as the cost of acquisition of these aircraft would come down a little bit. Certainly if the GE 414 is made in India it will bring down the cost of that acquisition, maybe by about 10 per cent.

Do you see the Snecma-Kaveri engine entering service in the LCA?


I definitely do not see the Snecma-Kaveri engine powering either the LCA Mk-1 or Mk-2. However LCA Mk-1 will be used as a flying test bed to put the engine through its paces, before it enters service. However we have to develop the Snecma-Kaveri engine because we cannot call ourselves an aeronautical power in any sense of the word unless we have our own engine. As we speak the Kaveri engine is getting ready to fly in Russia which will give us an enormous amount of confidence. After the 100 hour programme we will have a significant amount of data. With the French coming in the Kaveri will now become a reality and it will get test flown on the LCA airframe at some point of time. My estimate is that this will happen sometime between 2015 and 2018, once we sign on the dotted line. That is the engine that the MCA will be designed around and it will power this aircraft.

What needs to be done to ensure that MCA flies with an Indian engine?

The first thing that needs to be done is to complete the 100 hour Flying Test Bed (FTB) programme on the existing Kaveri engine. That is an essential pre condition. The data generated from the 100 hour FTB programme, will enable us to communicate much better with the French as we would have flown an engine, compared to the static test beds so far. We will also be able to extract more out of the French if this is done. The next is to develop this engine as soon as possible and put this in a flying test bed and keep it ready by the time the MCA gets designed. If we get our sums right then we can fly the MCA with an Indian engine between 2020 and 2022. This will also require a large number of designers and currently there is a serious manpower constraint in the design bureaus of HAL, ADA and elsewhere. You just have to look at the number of projects ongoing currently, HAL is now developing the LCH, LUH another helicopter in the 10 tonne class followed by programmes for the LCA, MCA, FGFA, Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA), Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT), Hindustan Turboprop Trainer (HTT-40) followed by upgrades for Jaguar, Mig-29, Mirage 2000, etc. All this, requires a large number of designers working concurrently as these programmes are being run side by side.
You should also factor in the recomendations by CEMILAC ,

http://drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/dss/2009/main/2-CEMILAC.pdf

Converting metal components into composite: Weight reduction
is an important activity in an aircraft program to improve
the performance. Use of high performance composite material
can considerably reduce the weight of the components
and preserving the structural integrity. The airframe of
Tejas has already undergone one cycle of weight reduction
prior to Prototype Vehicle series, which resulted in a weight
saving around 350 Kg. It is felt that some of the components
like slat doors, casing & mounting of LRUs and rear fuselage
bulkheads and pylons can be converted into composite.
This will give further weight reduction.
Co-cured co-bonded wing: LCA wing components have
been manufactured separately and joined together using
rivets, fastener and sealant. In the proposed co-cured cobonded wing, the bottom skin, ribs and spars are cured
together. This has advantage from reduced part count as
well as weight saving. The weight saving is mainly due
to the eliminations of sealents and fasteners associated
components. Further, the wing is expected to have improved
s
which details substituting composites for engine mountings that will reduce further weight and the ADA chief's interview that percentage of composites in LCA mk-2 will go up to 60 percent. SO weight reduction efforts to counter the additional fuselage length and fuel load is already initiated .ADA chief himself has said that LCA mk-2 will exceed mk-1 by 40 percent in performance specs. only time will tell.

Some one needs to put what is the original ASR of LCA mk-1 . IS there any document pertaining to that?As far as I know the following is the most authoritative document on LCA TEJAS mk-1's specs from the following link,


Tejas - Feature - The Light Combat Aircraft Story by Air Marshal MSD Wollen (Retd)

Tejas - Feature - The Light Combat Aircraft Story by Air Marshal MSD Wollen (Retd)

The LCA is tailless with a double-sweep delta wing. Its wing span is 8.2 m, length 13.2 m, height 4.4 m. TOW clean 8.500 kg, MTOW 12500kg. It will be super-sonic at all altitudes, max speed of M 1.5 at the tropopause. Specific excess power and g-over load data has not been published. Maximum sustained rate of turn will be 17 deg per sec and maximum attainable 30 deg per sec. Funds have been sanctioned for a Naval LCA. PD and studies in critical technology areas have commenced. The aircraft will be powered by a Kaveri engine (more information follows) and is to operate from the Indian Navy's Air Defence Ship, under construction. Launch speed over a 12 deg ramp is 100 kts; recovery speed during a no flare deck landing, using arrester gear, is 120 kts. Take off mass 13 tonne, recovery mass 10 tonne. Most stringent requirements are that the airframe will be modified: nose droop to provide improved view during landing approach; wing leading edge vortexes (LEVCON) to increase lift during approach and strengthened undercarriage. Nose wheel steering will be powered for deck maneuverability.
To date it has done mach 1.6 at high altitude and has achieved the same top speed of MIG-29 and SUKHOI in indian skies by going past the 1350 km per hour mark in hot skies in GOA, in a powerless dive from 4 km to sea level in a flutter test. SO wave drag did not stop it from achieving it's sea level top speed either.So as per the following link from CEMILAC

http://drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/dss/2009/main/2-CEMILAC.pdf

One of the major out come of sea level trial of Tejas
is that the drag of the aircraft is high such that the aircraft
could not reach the supersonic Mach number at sea level.
The components contributing for the maximum drag rise
has been identified and improvement methods were worked
on.
CEMILAC recommended nose cone plug extension as a remedy for smoothening the sudden increase in cross section from x=5000 mm to x=6000 mm along fuselage. But surely there are other ways that can be used to overcome this problem by gradually increasing the cross section in place of sudden increase, which would not be visible to naked eye,without recourse to nose plug extension

So by attaining the same top speed in Indian skies as that of SU-30 MKi and Mig-29 , I suppose these wave drag problem has been overcome ,

or if you have opinion to the contrary you can please post

Sure the longer length of MK-2 will lead to much better aerodynamic performance. But that doesnot preclude the possibility of Tejas mk-1 having resolved it's wave drag problem due to sudden increase in cross section from 5 meter to 6 meter mark along the fuselage.

which explicitly states that corrections are underway to reduce the wave drag , which means the wave drag problem has been overcome or how could Tejas mk-1 attain same speeds as MIG-29 and Sukhoi in Indian skies in GOA?


Also it has exceeded the 17 deg STR by performing a vertical loop in Aeroindia 2013 in 20 seconds same as RAFALE.It gives you a rough STR of 18 deg per sec.This 20 second loop is done well within the partially opened flight envelope with still 15 percent of the top performance soec yet to be tested.

So is there another revised IAf ASR present , whose conditions the LCA mk-1 cannot meet or what?
 
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The Max take off weight is 12 .5 ton as per MSD WOLLEN's article. Now even with the MTOW of 13.5 ton tejas mk-1 seems to have exceeded all the parameters laid down in that ASR means it is a credible achievement not a short fall in performance. Note this increase in weight of 1 ton is due to the higher weight higher launchin stress inducing longer range BVR requirements which were added to specs after the TD-1 flew.


the Tejas mk-1 now has the ability to fire any higher range BVR with this increased wing weight of 1 ton which was tagged later and still manages to surpass all the specs in the ASR with just 6G partially limited flight envelope means it has clearly gone past all the specs listed in the original ASR by fair margin. STR is obsolete in today's dogfight because of high off boresight HMD assisted WVR missiles. What is most important is having high ITR which is vital in missile dodging maneuvers and obtaining the first firing solution with quick nose pointing ability.
But tejas seems to have done well in this spec because it naturally has the lowest eingloading lower than the Mirage and higher TWR than mirgae.
 

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Tejas goes past speed of 1,350 kmph in tests : India, News - India Today

The aircraft went past its ultimate speed of 1,350 kmph on December 7 in Goan skies when it took off from Indian Navy?s INS Hansa base," Cmdr Rohit Varma, project director (flight test), National Flight Test Centre, told reporters here.
He said that this is the fastest speed ever achieved by an Indian made fighter aircraft.
The aircraft also passed flight flutter test after diving from four kilometres height and later taking off at 900 metres close to sea level.
 

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@ersakthivel, The NLCA MK2 article was based when NP-1 takeoff, mostly assumed facts there..

About the other is from 2010, too old..
 
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Gentlemen, I am a guy who has not only flown these machines but have also had very good knowledge of aerodynamics, EW and missile warfare. LCA is just not up to the mark for being a carrier based ac. Period.
two generations of HAL scientists have started taking pension for the life and may be two more will have it but this ac will never be able to deliver what it was designed for as by than it will be too old a design.
 
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