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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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pls reply,its a question i am seeking answer for a lng time
Internal fuel capacity of tejas is 2500 liters in mk_1.Total external stores capacity is about 3.5 tons.
So if a conforrmal fuel tank is added tejas can stay airbourne with2 ton missile load typical of air to air mode and 1.5 ton fuel on external conformal fuel tanks in mk-I version.So total fuel load comes to about 4 tons for tejas mk-1 with 2 ton weapon load.
with 13.5 ton mtow and ge-404 engine and 4 ton fuel load , you can have a fair measure of it's loitter time comparing them to other like weight fighters.
There will be no drag with conformal fuel tank.

In mk-II this will increase,lenghtened fuselage will accomodate another ton or so of internal fuel ,clarity is not there.
So it will come close to other contemproary fighters.
altitude.'If GE-414-EPE- is choosen for mk_ii it will definetely enable it to supercruise resulting in a drastic increase in flight time


The cranked deltas like F-16 XL have significant loitter time improvement that plain F-16 fighters due to low drag cruise in high


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html
The wing planform was altered in a cranked-arrow delta wing (120% larger than the original F-16 wing), with extensive use of carbon composite materials (in the upper and lower layers of the skin) to save weight. Weight savings in the wings alone amounted to 600lbs. or 272kg. The wing is of multi-spar design with the leading edge sweep angle ranging from 50º to 70º, and is 2,800lbs (1,179 kg.) heavier than the original. The increase in internal volume (both by lengthening the fuselage and expanding the wing) allowed for a 82% increase in internal fuel capacity, while the increased wing area allowed the incorporation of up to 27 stores stations. Despite the apparent lengthening of the fuselage involved with the program, the new XL designation does NOT stand for "extra large".

Through wing planform improvements and camber optimizations, the final configuration offered a 25% improvement in maximum lift-to-drag ratio over the F-16 supersonically, and 11% improvement subsonic. The handling of the F-16XL was reportedly quite different from that of the standard F-16, offering a much smoother ride at high speeds and low altitudes. The configuration had matured into a very competent fighter with a large wing that allowed low-drag integration of large numbers of external weapons.


Formation take-off of the two F-16XL ships. (Erwin Boone Collection)
The first of two F-16XL's (#75-0749) to be modified, A-5 (5th Full-Scale Development F-16A) had a single seat and was powered by an F100-PW-200 turbofan. It flew for the first time on July 3rd, 1982, with James McKinney at the controls. The second F-16XL (#75-0747), was originally powered by a 29,000 lb.s.t. General Electric F110-GE-100 turbofan. It was converted from the 3rd FSD aircraft (A-3), which was severely damaged in a landing accident (nose tire failure) during the Edwards Open House in August of 1980. The aircraft took-off and blew it's nose tire in the event. The decision was taken to land with gears up. As soon as the nose gear touched down, it dug into the lake bed and snapped off. This caused the trailing edge of the radome , the leading edge of the forward equipment bay and the intale to carry the load. The intake scooped up tons of dry lake. In the process it was ground off on a line even with the forward bulkhead, (where the radar antenna hangs and the main gear tires). The radome was trashed and the equipment bay was ripped up. When this airframe arrived at Fort Worth for use in the XL program, it was accordingly missing the entire front end, and a new 2-seat front section was constructed for this aircraft. XL no. 2 flew for the first time on October 29th, 1982, piloted by Alex Wolf and Jim McKinney
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pls reply,its a question i am seeking answer for a lng time
Internal fuel capacity of tejas is 2500 liters in mk_1.Total external stores capacity is about 3.5 tons.
So if a conforrmal fuel tank is added tejas can stay airbourne with2 ton missile load typical of air to air mode and 1.5 ton fuel on external conformal fuel tanks in mk-I version.So total fuel load comes to about 4 tons for tejas mk-1 with 2 ton weapon load.
with 13.5 ton mtow and ge-404 engine and 4 ton fuel load , you can have a fair measure of it's loitter time comparing them to other like weight fighters.
There will be no drag with conformal fuel tank.

In mk-II this will increase,lenghtened fuselage will accomodate another ton or so of internal fuel ,clarity is not there.
So it will come close to other contemproary fighters.
altitude.'If GE-414-EPE- is choosen for mk_ii it will definetely enable it to supercruise resulting in a drastic increase in flight time


The cranked deltas like F-16 XL have significant loitter time improvement that plain F-16 fighters due to low drag cruise in high


http://www.f-16.net/f-16_versions_article1.html
The wing planform was altered in a cranked-arrow delta wing (120% larger than the original F-16 wing), with extensive use of carbon composite materials (in the upper and lower layers of the skin) to save weight. Weight savings in the wings alone amounted to 600lbs. or 272kg. The wing is of multi-spar design with the leading edge sweep angle ranging from 50º to 70º, and is 2,800lbs (1,179 kg.) heavier than the original. The increase in internal volume (both by lengthening the fuselage and expanding the wing) allowed for a 82% increase in internal fuel capacity, while the increased wing area allowed the incorporation of up to 27 stores stations. Despite the apparent lengthening of the fuselage involved with the program, the new XL designation does NOT stand for "extra large".

Through wing planform improvements and camber optimizations, the final configuration offered a 25% improvement in maximum lift-to-drag ratio over the F-16 supersonically, and 11% improvement subsonic. The handling of the F-16XL was reportedly quite different from that of the standard F-16, offering a much smoother ride at high speeds and low altitudes. The configuration had matured into a very competent fighter with a large wing that allowed low-drag integration of large numbers of external weapons.


Formation take-off of the two F-16XL ships. (Erwin Boone Collection)
The first of two F-16XL's (#75-0749) to be modified, A-5 (5th Full-Scale Development F-16A) had a single seat and was powered by an F100-PW-200 turbofan. It flew for the first time on July 3rd, 1982, with James McKinney at the controls. The second F-16XL (#75-0747), was originally powered by a 29,000 lb.s.t. General Electric F110-GE-100 turbofan. It was converted from the 3rd FSD aircraft (A-3), which was severely damaged in a landing accident (nose tire failure) during the Edwards Open House in August of 1980. The aircraft took-off and blew it's nose tire in the event. The decision was taken to land with gears up. As soon as the nose gear touched down, it dug into the lake bed and snapped off. This caused the trailing edge of the radome , the leading edge of the forward equipment bay and the intale to carry the load. The intake scooped up tons of dry lake. In the process it was ground off on a line even with the forward bulkhead, (where the radar antenna hangs and the main gear tires). The radome was trashed and the equipment bay was ripped up. When this airframe arrived at Fort Worth for use in the XL program, it was accordingly missing the entire front end, and a new 2-seat front section was constructed for this aircraft. XL no. 2 flew for the first time on October 29th, 1982, piloted by Alex Wolf and Jim McKinney
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http://icast.org.in/news/2011/apr11/apr04bs.pdf


In an exclusive interview with Business Standard, P Subramanyam, director of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which is developing the LCA and the AMCA, responded to IAF criticism that the Tejas was not yet a world-class fighter.

He said the Tejas Mark-I, still being flight-tested, had been flown to just 85 per cent of its full capability.

The Tejas Mark-II -- in which a more powerful GE-414 engine will replace the current GE-404 engine -- would perform another 15 per cent better.


"The Tejas Mark-I will expand its performance envelope to its full capability by end-2012. And, a major performance boost will come from the Tejas Mark-II's new GE-414 engine, forwhich we have signed a $700-million (Rs 3,135 crore) contract to build here in India.

The Mark-II will outperform the Mark-I by about 15 per cent in the key aspects of take-off run, rate of climb, acceleration, and turn rate. Most of this would come from the higher thrust of the GE-414 engine. Another two-three per cent benefit would come from better aerodynamics.

Since we will re-engineer the fighter to accommodate the new engine. That overall 35-40 per cent improvement would make the LCA the world's premier light fighter," says Subramanyam.
 

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Extremely beautiful pictures,especially the last one while taking off showing the cranked delta witha slight upward slant in the wing.it is this upward slant which will reduce the low speed stalling of ordinary deltas and what makes tejas unique among 4th gens .This wing form is never experimented on any other modern fighters.
What this does is,essentialy reducing the back ward sweep angle of the wing at it's root,mimicking some charecteristics of swept back straight wings, which reduces flow seperation at high AOA and ,stalling at slow speeds.

The upward twist in the wingroot like the gnat also improves the same performance. that's what makes tejas good in high altitude high speed dash of upper atmosphere and also gives it good performance in sea level,with out the extra drag induced by canards.

All the while performing the function of slow speed stability and slowing the flow seperation to postpone the point of stall,

The photo in the above post shows the unique charecteristics of the cranked delta wing.
 
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Let's wait and see!
these are based on detailed experiments not just empty boasts.the design of mk-II is already well underway.the performance shortfalls on mk-I is due to the fact that IAF increased the weapon load to 4 tons from the original lesser weapon load.

That will be completely addresses by the 100 kn engine and lengthened fuselage to accomadate more fuel and extended nose cone plug to smoothen it's shape further to reduce drag at sea level supersonic flight enabling it to acheive mach 1.2 at sea level.
 

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Effort to make Tejas more 'Indian'



In a concerted effort to reduce the percentage of foreign components in the Indian LCA Tejas fighter, the Aeronautical Development Agency has drawn up a comprehensive list of 111 aircraft line-replacable units (LRUs) that will be indigenised and built by Indian companies within the country. The ambitious list includes 21 avionics components (including gyro reference unit, tactical navigation antenna and GPS antenna), 27 environmental control components, 14 electrical components (including under-carriage display unit, integral drive generator and ground power receptacle), ejection seat, nine components in the flight control area (left and right air data sensors, angle of attack sensor, sensor assembly rate).

The list also includes several key LRUs in hydraulics, landing gear, propulsion and fuel, and the aircraft's health and utility management system. In a statement announcing it's interest, the ADA has said, "There are 358 LRUs (components) in the Tejas aircraft, out of which 53 per cent of total LRUs are indigenously developed within India. In view to reduce the remaining 47 per cent of the import LRUs, ADA has initiated the indigenous development programme for indigenisation of the import LRUs."
 

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In the mk-II version additional 1 ton fuel load is proposed to be added to the already existing 2500 litrer internal
so in mk_2 version it's fuel load will be
3.5 tons internal+2 tons in conformal fuel tank=4 ton with no drag associated with drop tanks.
for mk-2 5ton external weapons capacity is proposed with 414 engine. So 5 ton-2 tons fuel in conformal fuel tank=3 tons weapon load.
So it will have a total 5.5 ton fuel load with 3 tons weapon weight for air to air missile load out.
Pretty decent considering it has an empty weight of 6.5 tons
so 6.5 ton empty weight fighter with 5.5 tons fuel and 3 tons air to air missile will have a decent range. lets calculate the range latter.
These are all proposed figures for mk-2 so not yet concrete but achievable.
So it will have pretty decent range and loitter time in pint defence role.It may cover entire pak air space with these loadouts ,I think.
If people have any views, they may please post.
the 120 kn GE-414-epe if fitted on it will make its soec pretty decent for a light fighter,comparable with the best of the world.
 

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LCA`s AESA radar may based on this radar.....
Are we getting this AESA radar from Isreal ? I last heard that USA wants to stop this getting into India's hand after they lost out in the MMRCS race.
 

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Are we getting this AESA radar from Isreal ? I last heard that USA wants to stop this getting into India's hand after they lost out in the MMRCS race.
US have no hand nor i said that we are getting this radar :) but our radar will be based on it, This is a JV between DRDO and Elta..


Here is a link :

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) being developed in India be equipped with an advanced radar system developed in Israel? The chances for that have increased in the recent days. Sources in India have informed that the Indian Air Force which is acquiring the LCA is interested in having it equipped with an AESA radar. Such a radar has been developed and is being produced by Elta, a subsidiary of Israel Aerospace Industries, which is considered among the most advanced of its kind throughout the world.
ISRAEL DEFENSE


Tejas MK-2 to get AESA radar


Aesa Radar development for Tejas MK-2 is in full swing but testing and certification might take some few more years and radar will be ready for the first batch of Tejas MK-2 , and will come in later batches of the aircraft as per DRDO sources .

Tejas MK-1 carries Pulse-Doppler Multi-Mode Radar which is integrate to Hybrid version of the EL/M-2032 radar with locally developed radar systems , this radar will be in first 40 aircraft's ordered by Indian air force in Tejas MK-1 batch and even in first few aircraft of Tejas MK-2 will carry same radar before both Tejas MK-1 and MK-2 radars are replaced by new AESA radar .

New AESA will be have many of similar components of current radar and come in similar dimension to current MMR radar , But defence experts Rakesh sharma is skeptical on DRDO's claims , " DRDO still has not declared who will be its technical partner in AESA radar development yet , under whom they were supposed to develop first 10 prototype radars under a technical partner " and adds "Aesa might come in later batches rather then in first few aircraft's"

Sources close to idrw.org have informed that first Tejas MK-2 will be ready by end of 2014 and will be ready for first flight in 2014 , new higher thrust engines from GE for Tejas MK-2 will start arriving in late 2013 and integration will happen by 2014 .Tejas MK-2 will carry new Avionics and new cockpit layout and development has already started and work on first air frame for Tejas MK-2 will start in 2013 .
 

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For AESA, LRDE is yet to choose the Development Partner. The competitors are Elta, Thales and Raytheon from what we know. Most probably Selex Galileo and maybe even Russian companies are in the fray because the Phazatron chief was talking about it 2 years ago. It is still not clear on what's happening.

So, Israel isn't the only on. Our new radar may not be based on existing radars either.
 
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