ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[p2prada]

WHY LCA IS NOT OBSOLETE?

Ersakthivel. Have you ever tried explaining Aerodynamics to a toddler? No? Welcome to my world.

RAND warned against assuming long-range missiles will work.

RAND is wrong as stated by USAF and LM. They know better, RAND does not.

Critics said 3D films will fail too because they were not good before. So what happened now? There is a word called technology.

Another vital snippet of information to all people peddling F-22 will shoot down LCA group fighters 100% is, once the bomb bay door opens F-22 will become a non stealth aircraft.

1 to 2 seconds. That's all. After that the F-22 would be at least 10 Km away from the same spot in the next 20 seconds.

Also, F-22 will open its weapons bay to fire a missile. Will you be looking for the F-22 at that time or trying to run away? Apply common sense here.

WHO WILL GUIDE THE F-22's BVR TO THE AWACS?

The same F-22 or another F-22. This has been happening since 2 decades now on other aircraft too.

The rest of what's on post #2989 is BS that you have assumed while you have no understanding of anything that you are trying to discuss here.

So, next post!!!
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The LCA fighter group AWACS has jamming is ONLY DIRECTIONAL.

Can you tell me where in my post have I said AWACS will carry a jammer?

AWACS don't carry jammers for the very reason that there is a chance jamming will fail. Fighters can run away, AWACS cannot.

Like I repeatedly said time and time again. Don't assume things on your own, especially when you don't know zilch.

The rest of your post desperately relied on this little sentence being correct, so it will be truncated.

So, next post.

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PHEONIX has a pony antena

I did not know Phoenix is a Unicorn(pony with an antenna).

Well, sh!tty humour aside let's get back to wiping out(maybe unsuccessfully) the rest of your ignorance.

Another reasonis radio communication will keep on loosing energy through out their journey in the atmosphere.

The 400km range comes with all the "attenuation" truncated from calculations. You wanna jam the radar go ahead and jam it. But first you need to find it and that's the first and the biggest hurdle.

there is noway the missile's piss poor antena can survive the jamming of LCA or LCAA group awacs or LCA group EW crafts.

This is just your uninformed opinion. It is nearly impossible to jam the energy that is emitted from Active missile seekers because of this thing called Physics. The best you can do is spoof it or confuse it. It will not stop trying to hit a target as long as it has the fuel to do so. If you can't spoof it, the only way is to run and hope fuel in the missile runs out.

Active seekers are basically monopulse radars with multiple receivers that work using two modes. High PRF and Medium PRF depending on the range, ie 18Km and lesser, for currently know missiles like Aim-120C7 and RVV-AE. If the seeker locks on, then goodbye aircraft, jamming or no jamming. You can only rely on agility and luck in this case. Agility is dependent on you to fly your aircraft like a pro. Luck is dependent on the missile being faulty or by some sheer luck your SPJ, chaff or towed decoy works for a brief moment to allow you to escape. SPJ(Self Protection Jammer) will most probably not work at all because that still means you are painting a bulls eye on yourself. So, keep your pipedreams to yourself.

Come on guys what is the meaning of 5th gen stealth. i tis klike a scam in reality.

Yes. That's why multiple countries spent Billions of Dollars with decades of research on it.

What was I thinking? I am talking to a telephone pole here.

That is why sensible think tanks like highly pretigiuos RAND and KARLO COPP of aussie airpower are repeatedly warning not to commit this folly

Silly boy. Don't get into things without knowing anything. You don't understand what they are talking about. Very obvious.

Btw, it is CARLO KOPP. At least learn to spell names correctly.

Next post.

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And by the way P2 PRADA

You havent answered my querie regarding whether any 4 ton weapon load carrying 2 ton weapon carrying , and a total of 13 ton max take off weight 85 kn fighter is ever produced untill today?

Gripen for one exceeds the specification you talk of. It is powered by a 85KN engine too, 82KN actually. First flew in 1988. LCA flew 13 years later and it is inferior to Gripen.

Rest relaxed such a fighter only exist in the realm of IAF ASQR divisions fantasy. No fighter can hope to perform like a fighter carrying more than it's weight in load any replies. EVEN mirage can carry less than twice its empty weight with a lower thrust weight ratio of 0.91 and lower performance. The airforce is spending 1.5 billion to upgrade them.

Rafale's empty weight is 9.5 tons. Payload is 9.5 tons.

Gripen weighs 6.5 tons, payload is 5.5 tons.

Gripen NG will supposedly have an empty weight of 7 tons, payload of 7 tons.

F-16 weighs 8.5 tons, payload is 8 tons.

Mirage-2000 weighs 7.5 tons, payload is 6.5 tons. I did not know 6.5 tons is half of 7.5 tons. Interesting.
Had you checked your precious wikipedia for all the information, you would have got it. At least one thing I would agree with you is that wiki is at least edited by "more knowledgeable" people than you.

LCA Mk1 weighs 6.5 tons, payload is 3.5 tons. And you actually think LCA's payload is supposed to be 2 tons. Haha!

LCA Mk2 will supposedly weigh 7 tons, a payload of 5 tons.

Come back when you at least get the statistics right.

 

[Twinblade]

All modern radar systems have a EW channel. It can deliver a lot of power, but this is not a 360degree capability. It is directional.


Edit: A simple rule for jamming: The jamming system must always, always be superior to the system it is supposed to jam.

Have you even seen the layouts for modern self protection suites on fighters ? If not then I would suggest looking them up. All the modern suites are focused on front and rear aspect jamming only, its always two SSTRUs in the leading edges and one in the rear, whether it be Selex Praetorian, Thales spectra, or DARE's suite for MiG-29Upg or Tejas.

PS: Ersakthivel, I wanted to reply and correct dozens of your posts and even tried, but I had to give up for the lack of time, so I would simply recommend not quoting "f-16 co-designer" Pierre Sprey or Rich, Johnson, Boyd and Ufimtsev, because these old guys are time and again brought out by the fighter mafia to talk smack about the current projects. That and your posts give me cancer in general.

 

[ersakthivel]

[QUOTE E.R.sakthivel
]WHO WILL GUIDE THE F-22's BVR TO THE AWACS?[/QUOTE]

p2 prada
The same F-22 or another F-22. This has been happening since 2 decades now on other aircraft too.

The rest of what's on post #2989 is BS that you have assumed while you have no understanding of anything that you are trying to discuss here.

So, next post!!!

Many thanks to you parada for finally nailing your lie regarding the in falliable seath of F-22 against LCA.

And also accepting that your old statement that only the fighter that fires the missile should guide it to taget as another lie.

 

[p2prada]

Have you even seen the layouts for modern self protection suites on fighters ? If not then I would suggest looking them up. All the modern suites are focused on front and rear aspect jamming only, its always two SSTRUs in the leading edges and one in the rear, whether it be Selex Praetorian, Thales spectra, or DARE's suite for MiG-29Upg or Tejas.

If you are talking about internal suite, I agree. For pods it is 360[SUP]o[/SUP]. And I don't really know what we are arguing about. We just had different things in mind.

A radar only faces the front, hopefully F-22 works at 140[SUP]o[/SUP] at least or 200[SUP]o[/SUP] at best. Except for chaff, it has nothing from the sides and the rear. So, this was my point really. Except for chaffs and aerodynamics, the F-22 has nothing against a missile during tail chase.

I spoke to a Mirage-2000 groundsman once. He pointed out that the pods are better than the internal suite and can carry out a wider array of tasks. He wouldn't confirm if the aircraft had an internal suite at the time.

PS: Ersakthivel, I wanted to reply and correct dozens of your posts and even tried, but I had to give up for the lack of time, so I would simply recommend not quoting "f-16 co-designer" Pierre Sprey or Rich, Johnson, Boyd and Ufimtsev, because these old guys are time and again brought out by the fighter mafia to talk smack about the current projects. That and your posts give me cancer in general.

I think I already have a migrane.

And also accepting that your old statement that only the fighter that fires the missile should guide it to taget as another lie.

Link for where I stated that?

You are as usual assuming things by yourself again.

 

[pankaj nema]

Today there is a news about Jaguars being modernised and that they will be used till 2030

More teeth for Jaguar: Nearly 120 of the Indian Air Force jets are being modernized | idrw.org

If JAGUARS can be modernised and made into Modern planes then why is LCA
being criticised

Anti LCA propoganda will run out of steam once LCA gets FOC

 

[ersakthivel]

E.r.sakthivel says

Another vital snippet of information to all people peddling F-22 will shoot down LCA group fighters 100% is, once the bomb bay door opens F-22 will become a non stealth aircraft.

P 2 prada says

1 to 2 seconds. That's all. After that the F-22 would be at least 10 Km away from the same spot in the next 20 seconds.

Also, F-22 will open its weapons bay to fire a missile. Will you be looking for the F-22 at that time or trying to run away? Apply common sense here.

WHO WILL GUIDE THE F-22's BVR TO THE AWACS?
The same F-22 or another F-22. This has been happening since 2 decades now on other aircraft too.

The rest of what's on post #2989 is BS that you have assumed while you have no understanding of anything that you are trying to discuss here.

The F-22 guiding the long range BVR for 400 kms( for pheonix type) to reach the LCA group AWACS has to broadcast it's radio signal for the time taken to cover 800 kms i.e roughly 10 minutes will be a sitting turkey of a volley of 10 or twelve dual seeking same long range BVRs from LCA escorts flying 200 km infront of the awacs.


Say the LCA escorts in front are the targets of F_22 tracking radar ,then the 10 minutes time given by the tracking F-22 will be good enough for LCA to launch its missiles on F-22. Note once LCAA sensors recieve the F-22's radar signal all they need is to switch of their radar and alert lcas flying faraway to home in on the F-22 sending radar signal.. The tracking F-22 cannot see the LCA from 200 kms before, because LCAs have a smaller RCS. That's why I say all the LCAA has to do in ew group large fleet formation is to carry a BVR just with a longer range than IT"S RCS detection range,

Since the EW crafts and AWACS will accurately give the direction of the missile guiding F-22 using its radar emission everyone can be 100% sure that it will be destroyed well well before the AWACS or opposing LCA is destroyed.

Then your friends at LM and my grandfather ADA chief will take over the guidance of the BVR launched by F-22 perhaps.

So if you send 10 400 million dollar white elephants called %th gen F-22s and J-10s against a group of 35 LCAs and 5 (EW+ AWACS )

aircrafts ,you can be rest assured that 5 of your 5th gen wonders will be destroyed and 5 will return back empty handed without any kill to their names. With 5 F-22s destroyed(2 billion dollars in the sea )and a leisurely flight back to home for the remaining 5 F-22s.


That's why the RAND people , karlo copp and are warning the con being perpetrated by Lm , BOEING guys and fighter mafias in the name of 5th gen.

Also you havent answered any queries regarding the scenario of J-10 shooting down every single american AWACS. Did you ask your LM guys about it? Every American Awacs will be destroyed in the first day of war. Very scary prospect indeed.

Do the LM and raytheon guys have no counter measure to suggest? GOD SAVE AMERICA.

 

[ersakthivel]

P2 PRADA says

Rafale's empty weight is 9.5 tons. Payload is 9.5 tons.

Gripen weighs 6.5 tons, payload is 5.5 tons.

Gripen NG will supposedly have an empty weight of 7 tons, payload of 7 tons.

rafel is a twin engined craft . I asked for single engine fighter specs.

can you specify the range of grippen with 5.5 ton pay load? At 5.5 tons grippen is a bomb truck and not in fighter mode.

It's not worth a shit ,since it is a legacy all Metal figter with worse RCS than LCA and can easily be picked up and fired upon by LCa well befrore LCA is picked up by grippen.. LCA can fly low covering it's missile radar reflections under wing , but grippen's worse cross section is due to it's canards and boxy inlets with no thought about stealth shaping. So all grippen can do is to jettison weapons and start doing high G evasive manouvers once it's missile warning light blares in a one on one or awacs group cambat.

And NG will be built if only gullible forien tax payers are ready to fund it with big orders. But despite the sane counsel of RAND think tanks and BILL KOpMAN of AUSAIRPOWER if the NATO countries titlt towards 5th gen, then GRIPPEN NG wont be more than a prototype.

You are slyly concealing this fact and also the GRIPPEN NG is a prototype as long as it doesnt cross FOC as per your golden standards.


Even NG will have piss poor RCS compared to the present MK_1 of LCA.

Much lower wing loading LCA will give better performance than GRIPPEN through out it's flight envelope.

And once long range BVR s are fired LCA will be using thislower wing loading in better manouvering in climbing fights.

So with 6.5 ton weight and 4 ton weapon loads and much lesser RCS the ADA has trumped grippen,then why are the NAPOLEAND AND ALEXANDARs of IAF drooling over grippen and a section of 5th gen peddling indian media rooting for grippen.

 

[ersakthivel]

grippen specs

Crew: 1 (2 for JAS 39D)
Payload: 5,300 kg ()
Length: 14.1 m (46 ft 3 in), two-seater: 14.8 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 8.4 m (27 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 30.0 m² (323 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,800 kg[172] (12,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 8,500 kg (18,700 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (31,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Volvo Aero RM12 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 54 kN (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 80.5 kN (18,100 lbf)
Wheel track: 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2 (2,204 km/h, 1,372 mph) at altitude
Combat radius: 800 km (500 mi, 432 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,200 km (2,000 mi) with drop tanks
Service ceiling: 15,240 m (50,000 ft)
Wing loading: 283 kg/m² (58 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.97

LCA speces

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 13.20 m (43 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.40 m (14 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 38.4 m² (413 ft²)
Empty weight: 6,560 kg (14,460 lb)
Loaded weight: 9,500 kg (20,944 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 13,300 kg (29,100 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
Dry thrust: 53.9 kN[86] (12,100 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 85 kN[86][87] (19,100 lbf)
Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg
External fuel capacity: 2 x 1,200 litre drop tank at inboard, 1 x 725-litre drop tank under fuselage
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8[83][88] (1,920 km/h, 1,195 mph) at high altitude
Range: 850 km[83] (530 mi) without refueling
Ferry range: 3,000 km[88] (1,840 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,000 m[89] (50,000 ft[83])
Wing loading: 247 kg/m² (50.7 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.07[83]
g-limits: +9/−3.5 g[90]


worse grippen has a lower TWR than LCA.

empty weight------- loaded weight-------- max takeoff weight ---------- TWR---------- wingloading
LCA --------- 6.5 --------------- 9.5 ---------- ------ 13.3 ----------------- 1.07------- --------- 247

GRIPPEN ---------- 6.8 ---------- 8.5 -------------- 14 ------------------- 0.97-------------- 283



If you peddle NG specs then lets update you with the status of NG.

In 2007, a two-seat "New Technology Demonstrator" or "Gripen Demo" was ordered; it was presented on 23 April 2008.[29] It has increased fuel capacity, a more powerful powerplant, increased payload capacity, upgraded avionics and other improvements. The demonstrator serves as the testbed for numerous upgrades[30] for the new Gripen NG (Next Generation), also referred to as Gripen E/F, and MS 21.[31][32] This version is powered by the General Electric F414G, a development of the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's engine. The engine produces 20 per cent more thrust at 98 kN (22,000 lbf), enabling a supercruise speed of Mach 1.1 with air-to-air missiles (AAM).[33]
Compared to the Gripen D, the Gripen NG's maximum take off weight has increased from 14,000 to 16,000 kg (30,900–35,300 lb) with an increase in empty weight of 200 kg (440 lb). Due to relocated main undercarriage, the internal fuel capacity has increased by 40 per cent; combat radius will be 1,300 kilometres (810 mi) with six AAMs plus drop tanks, allowing for 30 minutes on station.[34] Ferry range will be 4,070 km (2,200 nmi) with drop tanks; the fuselage also has an additional two hardpoints. The PS-05/A radar has a new Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) antenna.[33] The Gripen Demo's maiden flight was conducted on 27 May 2008, it lasted about 30 minutes and reached a maximum altitude of about 6,400 meters (21,000 ft).[35] On 21 January 2009, the Gripen Demo flew at Mach 1.2 without reheat to test its supercruise capability.[36].



So it should be compared to LCA mk-2, ordered oly in 2007 with a maiden flight on 2008 and still with th canard configuration resulting in poorer RCS it is not so state of art at all. You should congratulate ADA for doing so much in the first attempt. ANd funding for NG is contingent on large ordes from foriegn countries. So think about it.


And the prime reason for grippen's non selection in MMRCA is that it offers no incremental capacity over LCA.

The thrust to weight calculation for grippen NG


F-16 C (13147/3160 + 8270 + ~1000):1.02
Typhoon (9185*2/5000 + 11000 + ~1000): 1.08
Rafale (7652*2/4600 + 9500 + ~1000): 1.01
Gripen NG (11975/3150 + 7100 + ~1000): 1.06
F-15J (10809*2/5260 + 12700 + ~1000): 1.1







What is the difference , which is a superior aircraft?

 

[Twinblade]

What is the difference , which is a superior aircraft?

The difference lies under the hood on how information is processed, and is referred to by multiple names, the most common of them being "Sensor Fusion". Ask nicely instead of arguing like an idiot by copying inaccurate stats from wiki and people here will explain it to you.

 

[ersakthivel]

Originally Posted by ersakthivel
PHEONIX has a pony antena
I did not know Phoenix is a Unicorn(pony with an antenna).

P2 prada says

]Well, sh!tty humour aside let's get back to wiping out(maybe unsuccessfully) the rest of your ignorance.

Another reasonis radio communication will keep on loosing energy through out their journey in the atmosphere.
The 400km range comes with all the "attenuation" truncated from calculations. You wanna jam the radar go ahead and jam it. But first you need to find it and that's the first and the biggest hurdle.

How will the PHENIX recieve the radar update, Through it's ASS perhaps,


You genius cannot understand that Imentioned the missile's reciever. The reciever can easily be jammed by SUKHOI'a jammers.

 

[ersakthivel]

How can you say F-22 can acieve sure kills on 4th gen lcas without the need for dog fight when

karlo copp says

A question often asked is why are Sukhoi Flanker variants equipped to carry between eight and twelve BVR missiles? The answer is a simple one - so they can fire more than one three or four round BVR missile salvo during the opening phases of an engagement. In this fashion the aircraft being targeted has a difficult problem as it must jam, decoy and/or outmanoeuvre three or four tightly spaced inbound missiles. Even if we assume a mediocre per round kill probability of 30 percent, a four round salvo still exceeds a total kill probability of 75 percent.


The performance of the AIM-120A/B/C models in combat to date has not been spectacular. Test range trials have resulted in stated kill probabilities of 85 percent out of 214 launches for the AIM-120C variant. Combat statistics for all three variants are less stellar, amounting to, according to US sources, ten kills (including a friendly fire incident against a UH-60) of which six were genuine BVR shots, for the expenditure of just over a dozen AIM-120 rounds. The important parameter is that every single target was not equipped with a modern defensive electronic warfare package and therefore not representative of a state-of-the-art Flanker in a modern BVR engagement. Against such "soft" targets the AIM-120 has displayed a kill probability of less than 50 percent [1].

It is an open question whether the AIM-120D when challenged with a modern DRFM (Digital RF Memory) based monopulse trackbreaking jammer will be able to significantly exceed the 50 percent order of magnitude kill probability of prior combat launches, let alone replicate the 85 percent performance achieved in ideal test range conditions


Since a missle reciever will never match the exponentially increasing power of ew jammers it is only a pipe dream that F-22s will kill any Lca or 4 th gen aircraft so easily.

Especially the stealth payload of F-22 is limited .This is no way a certainity.

 

[p2prada]

Today there is a news about Jaguars being modernised and that they will be used till 2030

More teeth for Jaguar: Nearly 120 of the Indian Air Force jets are being modernized | idrw.org

If JAGUARS can be modernised and made into Modern planes then why is LCA
being criticised

It has nothing to do with LCA or even PAKFA. Jaguars are being upgraded because they still have life in them. The US is upgrading their F-15s and F-16s too.

A new aircraft is expected to have a life of 30-40 years. If we buy the first proper squadron of LCA in 2018, then they will see service until 2060, which by itself is very funny. Then again, it depends on how many new airframes we are able to build at the same time to replace older gen aircraft.

 

[p2prada]

E.r.sakthivel says

...nonsense

The F-22 guiding the long range BVR for 400 kms( for pheonix type) to reach the LCA group AWACS has to broadcast it's radio signal for the time taken to cover 800 kms i.e roughly 10 minutes will be a sitting turkey of a volley of 10 or twelve dual seeking same long range BVRs from LCA escorts flying 200 km infront of the awacs.

You think F-22s will be alone? No. They will come in a group.

karlo copp

See. This is what I mean by unwilling to learn. Saktiervel learn to spell names properly.

I have a Migraine. You already gave Twinblade cancer. Next you will give Kopp a Hemorrhage.

The rest of the post is BS anyway.

rafel is a twin engined craft . I asked for single engine fighter specs.

What do you think Mirage-2000, Gripen and F-16 were? Now you are blind too.

t's not worth a shit ,since it is a legacy all Metal figter with worse RCS than LCA

F-22 is mostly metal too.

If you peddle NG specs then lets update you with the status of NG.

Better than LCA Mk2. An aircraft superior to the LCA Mk2 was flying back in 2008 called the Gripen Demo.

still with th canard configuration resulting in poorer RCS

Don't get into things you don't understand. Canards and stealth are not related on aircraft like Rafale, EF and Gripen let alone aircraft like J-20. Aircraft are complex bodies, even the biggest expert with years of experience cannot discount the effect of canards on stealth without actually testing it out himself.

And the prime reason for grippen's non selection in MMRCA is that it offers no incremental capacity over LCA.

You are assuming things again. Nobody knows why? The best anybody can guess is that the NG is still a prototype like the LCA and IAF won't trust prototypes.

 

[p2prada]

How will the PHENIX recieve the radar update, Through it's ASS perhaps,

No. But this information will go through yours.

Mid course updates are given using C band signals from other transmitters, not the radar. The link is actually called datalink. Google Link 16 for reference. F-22 works a little differently.

How can you say F-22 can acieve sure kills on 4th gen lcas without the need for dog fight when

karlo copp says

Carlo Kopp says the F-22 will kill anything and everything even with it's eyes closed and hands tied. Read more of his works, you will begin to have an understanding(even if it is slight) about modern warfare.

[quoteEspecially the stealth payload of F-22 is limited .This is no way a certainity.[/quote]

6 Aim-120Ds are a lot better than LCA's 2 Derby/Astra.

 

[ersakthivel]

Twinblade says
The difference lies under the hood on how information is processed, and is referred to by multiple names, the most common of them being "Sensor Fusion". Ask nicely instead of arguing like an idiot by copying inaccurate stats from wiki and people here will explain it to you.

However nice you fuse your sensor ,it wont reduce your basics RCS figure that is a physical fact.

And none of this sensor fusion is SAb's. All it's avionics are from EADS and VIRIGULUS and other manufacturers.

So LCA too can fuse all the sensors.

However much they fuse sensors since both LCA and GRippen will rely on AWACA and EW crafts for most critical targetting and EW protection.Mind it.

Every manufacturee claims some thing so superior. The ADA is gov organization and it doesnot take out full page ads to fool [eople.

There is nothing revolutionary in grippens design.

Atleast LCA has the pedigree of F-16 Xl. What are the salient feature of grippens airframe?

Since i am asking nicely you can also reply nicely. Thanks.

If p2 prada too talks nicely I will reciprocate the same.

 

[Dixit13]

fan-boy

 

[ersakthivel]

P2 PRADA

Originally Posted by ersakthivel
E.r.sakthivel says
...nonsense

The F-22 guiding the long range BVR for 400 kms( for pheonix type) to reach the LCA group AWACS has to broadcast it's radio signal for the time taken to cover 800 kms i.e roughly 10 minutes will be a sitting turkey of a volley of 10 or twelve dual seeking same long range BVRs from LCA escorts flying 200 km infront of the awacs.
You think F-22s will be alone? No. They will come in a group.

Every fighter aircraft comes in groups. The problem is how will the tracking F-22 survive the jamming of LCA group ew and go past LCA escorts and hit the awacs?

And if the tracking F-22's radar has to be kept on for more than 10 minutes how in the hell will it survive in saturated EW and group fighter environment?

 

[ersakthivel]

P2 prada

If you peddle NG specs then lets update you with the status of NG.
Better than LCA Mk2. An aircraft superior to the LCA Mk2 was flying back in 2008 called the Gripen Demo.

still with th canard configuration resulting in poorer RCS
Don't get into things you don't understand. Canards and stealth are not related on aircraft like Rafale, EF and Gripen let alone aircraft like J-20. Aircraft are complex bodies, even the biggest expert with years of experience cannot discount the effect of canards on stealth without actually testing it out himsel

The first reaction J-10 drew was why the chinese have canards on a stealth plane? And most experts concluded that it 's job is to launch long range missiles against career and scoot away .With canards it's stealth wont be that effective.

The first principle of stealth and lower RCS is all edges being in parallel, and higher wing fuselage blending and hiding the engine blades from enemy radar.The canards violate the first principle . How ever much a complex shape of the aircraft detailed testing will reveal the same.



Only yhing that is complex here is you are complex lies.

I dont blame you since you already lied before in the forum that lower RCS can be detected by higher powered RADAR.

So it's habitual it seems.

 

[ersakthivel]

P2 prsda says

Originally Posted by ersakthivel
How will the PHENIX recieve the radar update, Through it's ASS perhaps,

No. But this information will go through yours.

Mid course updates are given using C band signals from other transmitters, not the radar. The link is actually called datalink. Google Link 16 for reference. F-22 works a little differently.

Well thank you for informing that your primary job is inspecting the ass of others.

The quality of your posts certainly stand as proof to this fact.

It is the same CRALO KOPP who says in AUSSIE air power that however much lossy materials are coated on the MISSILE's surface, it's low powered receiver is prone to jamming by the SUKHOI jammer's power reserve. With the expected midlife upgrades of the new ASEA radar and EW capability it will become a reality.

Please don't try to examine CARLO KOPP's posterior for this statement .He may not be as patient as me.

You can keep your examinations with your friends in LM. But nothing useful ever result from those examintions I am sure.

Up untill now what you managed to pull out from these examinations are gems like

1.LCA will carry only lower range BVR because it's radar cant guide long range bvrs and then saying one F-22 will fire the missile and another F-22 will guide it.

2.No awacs has jammers on board, and then posting that australian wedgetail is an exception to this rule, and then claiming AWACS have directional jamming capacity.

3. And then all ew crafts will keep their jamming signals forever totally forgetting the fact that jamming is needed only during the critical period from enemy fighters dangerous approach and your fleet fighters retaliatory missile strike'

4. And claiming that a tracking F-22 guiding missiles against LCA cant be jammed by powerfull LCA group ew craft and LCA's radar alone would be jammed.


5.and one f-22 can escape 10 or 20 missiles from LCA while still giving away it's position through out guiding it's BVR.

6.When confronted with grippen specs vis a vis LCAA keeping mum.

7. Consistently lying that LCA cannot cross mach 1.4 and 6gs and keeping silent when authentic ADA specs are out stating to the contrary.


8. Then some shitty accenutaed receiver in a bvr can escape all the jamming in future ew warfare.

9.Openly lying that CARLO kopp and RAND are bogus. We dont have to trust their words that long range BVR shots are effective only against non EW capable enemy and not against an equal adversary.

10. ANd then lying through your nose that the universaly accepted fact that canard form militates against the stealth and results in higher RCS.

I can go on and on but since these gems smell nasty considering from the place they were brought from I dont want to drag on.

Please save the forum memeber s with further examinations of yours with LM guys


If you continue your examinations with LM guys you can pull out many more gems like this. But dont fart them in this forum


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[p2prada]

fan-boy

He is not even that. He needs to know something authentic to qualify as such in the first place.

Troll is the right word.