WHY LCA IS NOT OBSOLETE?
In a 2008 study , the Air Force-funded think tank RAND warned against assuming long-range missiles will work. RAND looked at 588 air-to-air shoot-downs since the 1950s and counted just 24 that occurred with the attacker firing from beyond visual range. Historically, American long-range air-to-air missiles have been 90-percent less effective than predicted, RAND asserted.
Despite the historical facts, there persists in Air Force circles "a hypothetical vision of ultra-long range, radar-based, air-to-air combat," to quote air power skeptic Pierre Sprey, co-designer of the brute-simple F-16 and A-10 warplanes.
It remains to be seen whether the Raptor and its AMRAAM missiles can reverse these trends. If long-range tactics fail, the F-22 force could very well find itself fighting up close with the latest fighters from China, Russia and other rival nations. And if the Germans' experience is any indication, that's the kind of battle the vaunted F-22s just might lose.
Another vital snippet of information to all people peddling F-22 will shoot down LCA group fighters 100% is, once the bomb bay door opens F-22 will become a non stealth aircraft. Any LCA group can aquire it via its data link with AWACS . If a legacy fightes like F-14 can guide a 400 km range PHEONIX giving the missile regular updates regarding AWACS position , Then AWACs can supply missile lock information to LCA regarding the the non stealth F-22 that is flying with in the range of awacs, with its bomb bay door opened.
Immediately drawing a kill zone covering the maximum possible escape box of F_22 the LCA s will fire a volley of missiles saturating the box. These missiles can be guided accurately till the bomb bay door closes.
And after that the most important point that P2PRADA wont answer is
WHO WILL GUIDE THE F-22's BVR TO THE AWACS?
Since AWACS KILLING IS TOUTED TO BE THE JOB OF F-22 DESPITE THE ESCORT SERVICE OF LCA THEN WILL F-22 should OPERATE ITS OWN RADAR AND THEREBY GIVING AWAY ITS DIRECTIONS TO THE ATTACKED AWACS AND LCAS 200 KM in front?
IS THIS THE NEW 5TH GENERATION STEALTH?
REMAINING VISIBLE TO THE ENEMY DURING IT'S MOST CRITICAL PORTION OF THE SORTIE?
Case1:--- F-22 using its own RADAR to kill
since p2PRRADA has explicity ruled out that no awacs can supply target lock to missiles via data link relay from the launcing aircraft, and still maintains that only the missile launching aircraft can guide the missile ,He has mandated F_22 to be visible to the LCA , EW CRAFTS AND AWACS and vulnerable to THEIR radar direction finders to guide IT'S BVR to the target. Using this visibility LCAs will launch their own missiles in the direction Of incoming F-22 radar beam. No lock is needed. And once LCA's missile reaches close by it's dual seeker will switch to heat seeking mode and kill the F-22. If F-22 launches flares to escape another critical point is the new generation modern heat seekers seek the surface heat of the F-22 and have its total heat signature map to home .
Since a volley of missiles are fired by the LCA group the F-22 cannot defeat all of them simultaneously with any marvel comics effects. It's massive 300 kn engines heat however spread out by cooling it with cooler air from outside will still present a football field size target to homing missiles.
So if F-22 relies on its famed stealth alone it can only score 1:2000 kill ratios from afganistan to IRAQ. all these generation numbers are meaningless.
CASE -2----- F-22 leaves the guidance to F-14s.
Then with its huge RCS and huge powered RADAR F-14 will be finished by volley of BVR from nearby LCAS. The F-14 cannot detect the low RCS low flying LCA hiding the missile fin Reflection under it's wing. And F-22's mission is gone.
That's why there is such a critique of F-35 all over the net.That's why the F-22 has made a low flying pass in FARENBERG airshow. The F-22 production lines is closed. In future it will be offered to exports, since both CHINA and RUSSIA have developed counter measures against them and both developed their own stealth crafts and offering them for exports.
And another VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION TO P2 PRADA?
DO TOU THINK AMERICANS HAVE NO COUNTER MEASURES AGAINST CHINES J-10 AND RUSSIAN PAKFA? Think well before making a statement. If the US has no counter measures then why are they closing the production of F-22?
That is why their famed F-117 was shot down by SEBIAN P-81 old obsolete radar supplying missile lock to SA_16 missile batteries. A modern AWACSS is hundred time more complex than the P-81.
Since P2 PRADA wont accept that a Serbian SAM commander has tuned his RADAR frequency to get a missile lock with SA-16 ,I am not even including it here. In reality all modern AWACS and EW crafts with suitable band radars tuned properly acting in co ordination will supply critical guidance to BVRs flying against F_22 from LCA or any other 4th gen craft. Even though a lock cannot be supplied(accepting today's tech specs, In future co-ordinatng awacs and large band ew craft will pin point the F-22, with maturing tech, But let's not talk about that).
tHE RAND STUD FURTHER STATES THAT,
Update, July 31: Some commenters claim the Red Flag exercise is not indicative of the way the F-22 would fight in the real world. In an actual shooting war, an F-22"²s opponent "won't make it to visual range," one reader asserted. The Raptor's stealth would allow it to sneak up high and fast and kill the enemy from long range using an AMRAAM missile, commenters insist.
But that's assuming two things. One, that the rules of engagement in a future conflict will allow to the Air Force to shoot down targets without visually identifying them — a risky assumption given the world's increasingly crowded airspace. Two, that the AMRAAM even works. Missile-maker Raytheon hasn't delivered a new AMRAAM in two years after it was found that the weapon's rocket motor doesn't work in a cold environment, which is exactly where the high-flying F-22 is most at home.
Even when the AMRAAM functions as designed, it's still not a reliable long-range killer. Since the AMRAAM entered front-line service in 1992, it has been used by Air Force F-15s and F-16s in at least nine aerial battles resulting in the destruction of nine Iraqi and Serbian aircraft. But that's pretty much all we know. Public data "does not include the number of shots taken or the engagement range," Air Force Lt. Col. Patrick Higby wrote in a 2005 paper.
Higby, for his part, concluded that at least four of the AMRAAM kills occurred within visual range. In the balance, long-range missiles are not as effective as the Air Force has long hoped, Higby wrote. "Air-to-air combat has not transformed into a long-range slugfest of technology."
Source:
http://www.-----------/forums/air-wa...#ixzz25sSel2wL
So LCA'S ROLE AS AWACS ESCORT AND POINT DEFENCE CANNOT BE DEFEATED BY LCA. THAT'S WHY RAND STUDY EXPLICITLY SAYS THAT 24 OUT OF THE 588 BVR SHOTS WERE SUCCESS FUL. No generation number will change that fact.
