2020 US election and its Impact on India Megathread

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There! You go girl!!??**? The Real Kamala.......


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By now, we all can see that the risk of Biden-Harris administration coming to power in the USA soon.

Can we discuss what measures can be taken by PM Modi and Dr Jaishankar to avert the worse?

My main fear is the Dharmophobia that the liberal-secular nexus in India with blessings and political backing from Kamala Harris. Biden will take a backseat when it comes to engaging with us. The only part where I can see him active in US foreign policy would be, to try resurrecting the Russian boogeyman.

HM Amit Shah ji was smart in quickly amending the FCRA Act and tightening grip over NGOs as pre-empted the rise of Biden-Harris.

But there have to be other things that we need to plan:

  • Standing butt naked in terms of political or logistical support from USA against CCP
  • Passive & callous approach towards Pakistani terrorism
  • Standing against India on J&K UT through passive and fake atrocity literature. They've already started it:
  • Ramp-up of Hinduphobic literature against the majority and by extension, on us Buddhists, the Sikhs and Jains.
    • These liberal-secular-left buggers make it a point to segregate Sikhs as some alien group while portray us Buddhists to be "east Asian" by default. I hate that, along with both other Indian Buddhists as well as the Tibetan Buddhists in the country; but their voices don't count.
Do you think Hillary Churchist Clinton was bad?

Harris will be 10x worse.

Would love to hear your views on what we can do to avert the damage from a Biden-Harris administration
 

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First round goes to biden IMO.. still going on. He is holding off trump quite well.
 

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My assessment:

Biden is doing really good. Trump has not been able to punch back and explain economy, covid handling, trade war. Unexpectedly he did better with law and order making some valid points. No health/dementia issue with biden and was really well prepared.

MEA better be prepared for biden presidency.
 

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My assessment:

Biden is doing really good. Trump has not been able to punch back and explain economy, covid handling, trade war. Unexpectedly he did better with law and order making some valid points. No health/dementia issue with biden and was really well prepared.

MEA better be prepared for biden presidency.
Biden mumbles incoherently about Hunter's corruption case. Trump was more aggressive and did well.

IMHO both candidates are piece of crapola.
 

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Biden mumbles incoherently about Hunter's corruption case. Trump was more aggressive and did well.

IMHO both candidates are piece of crapola.
I agree both are crap and that's bad news for US and also India. Other than that I has expecting trump to dominate Biden with points. He had solid economy before covid and black unemployment was really low nvm.
 

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Trump won first debate.
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Moot point CNN will never show Trump is winning (its not happening): Its like NDTV praising RSS & calling it secular. Baki I don't mind if you think trump was better.

Post-debate CNN poll: Six in 10 say Biden won the debate
 

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Moot point CNN will never show Trump is winning (its not happening): Its like NDTV praising RSS & calling it secular. Baki I don't mind if you think trump was better.

Post-debate CNN poll: Six in 10 say Biden won the debate
I actually found more people saying Trump won first debate on twitter
 

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But that goodwill must be reciprocated back to us too. Remember, Democrats have a viciously anti-Dharmic stance. The biggest bull's-eye is on you Hindus though and you get highlighted because you're the third-largest followed system and the only surviving ancient system in the world. Meanwhile Sikhs, us and Jains get ignored due to the concept of segregating us as "different religious groups" in Abrahamic mindset.

Kamala Harris is a Baptist - the worst of the rice-bag demography. Don't believe me? Visit Nagaland and publicly do a mantra recital. You'll get your response. Joe Biden is a fool with zero initiative - He is just winning because he is "Not Trump" (much like how Pakistan is basically "not India").

The real president behind the scenes will be Kamala Harris in all sense of the word. Domestic policies, foreign policy, defence, etc. everything will go through her. Unlike Obama-Clinton pairing where Obama had a relative soft-corner for India, Biden-Harris pairing will be vicious to Hindus, Hindu nationalism and obviously to India.

There are two ways that we can approach this problem; one is by trying to connect and influence US-Indian demography to vote for Trump; By the way, Trump is quite popular there according to some of my relatives living there.

The other way is for making 'readjustments' (after all, it is the buzzword since our men in green gave gol gappas to the PLA sissies) in foreign and defence policies.

Readjusting Defence Policy

Banning 101 key defence products from importing in the future was a smart move (albeit a little ceremonious) to start fencing the budding Indian defence industry. This allows for critical platform that would go into development in the next 2-3 years, to have enough time and a safety net from bigger US corporations that are vulnerable to policy shocks. There is a 100% guarantee that the US may adopt a conciliatory tone towards Xi's China, owing the large commercial interests that the Democrats have with China. Biden has been a cornerstone official responsible for entwining the US-China economies.

Simultaneously, India should also consider diversifying its strategic capital into second-level world defence manufacturers. Basically countries other than USA and Russia. We are already doing it but it needs to gain more momentum.

I am talking about France, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Brazil and Ukraine. Countries that have excellent defence/heavy industrial manufacturing capabilities.

We should also look at close strategic partnerships with companies like Ukraine's Antonov. The An-70 platform is struggling for funds.

If I were heading the CCS or MoD, my move would be to form an HAL-Antonov-private company Joint Venture and order about 50 An-70s and 100+ An-178s, completely customized to IAF requirements. This JV company would also have assurance of manufacturing go and no-go aircraft parts in our country. Ukraine gets critical capital, retains jobs and our MoD gets end-user control over the inventory and customizing. Such a move would also feed into building the large aircraft manufacturing ecosystem in India.

An alternative to Ukraine (in case of heeding to Russia's sensitivities) would be Brazil's Embraer. The Brazilians successfully tested the KC-390 transport aircraft, that could have become a potential candidate for our transport aircraft program. We already buy their EMB-145 platform for our indigenous AWACS; They would be more than happy to supply us with and give greater inventory control in a shared partnership with if we invested capital. If only our strategic thinkers had a broader vision.

Japan of the past might have thrown a hissy fit about our non-NPT nuclear power status, but thanks to Abe and Modi's friendship and Xi's idiocy, Japan is amending its constitution. Equally important are South Koreans. They are friendly, neutral and do not have an imposing presence to overshadow our own influence.

Readjusting Foreign Policy

Keeping a strong possibility of a Democrat America in the long run, we will also need to marry off our defence and foreign policy to one another; especially in the case of a handful of countries that I mentioned above.

India-France relations have been highly successful and more defence cooperation needs to happen between the two countries. Yes, French equipment is expensive, but they are free from political strings. France is not just a defence provider but has excellent aerospace, manufacturing, shipbuilding and other heavy engineering capabilities that can be leveraged by India's budding private sector. This would only boost manufacturing output and promote economic growth. France is also a key permanent member of UNSC; we don't have to appease them, but a slight increase in the momentum of the relationship taht we already have, would be excellent for us. France was one of the 3 countries around the world that stood with us after 1998 nuclear testing, Israel and Russia being the other. It goes to show that while the French may be western, they have their own foreign policy and can walk the talk.

Similarly, we need to exponentially increase our commercial engagement with Israel. Rather than having small-scale startup joint incubators, we need to involve them in critical and sensitive aspects of our capabilities; space exploration, nanotechnology, biotechnology, etc. The more we engage with them, the better options we give them. While USA has Israel's back in global matters, Israel is also looking for an Asian anchor ally to even the western skew. We can be that anchor. We have enough goodwill of USA to not see pressure on Israel against us, and at the same time, we have enough technological prowess to jointly develop sensitive technologies with them independent of US.

We also need to start making multilateral and mini-lateral summits that in the long-term start looking like mini-UNs. Let's face it; we are not going to get an permanent seat.

The common grip that 185 countries have around the world with the UN is the unequal representation. Let's offer them that, through regional cooperation frameworks. For example, the India-Africa Summit largely discusses:
  1. Indian investments
  2. Aid & financial assistance
  3. Government scholarships and joint training centers, and the likes
What it doesn't discuss is the stuff that we hear in the UN; poverty alleviation, advancement of healthcare, fighting terrorism, etc. Just imagine if India is able to permanently resolve the dispute between Mozambique and Botswana through promoting THE INDIA WAY foreign policy (Dr Jaishankar's latest book is on the way we see the world); this would reinforce the trust of the other 52 African nations.

Similarly, we need to also start building a framework like this in Latin America - from Mexico to Chile, and among CARICOM countries. In time, these mini-laterals will have larger participation as more countries "get things done" using our way.
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While the US will remain a crucial partner for India's future defence for some time, one has to factor in the lobbies and the global liberal-anarchist movement that has polarized the Western society.

Let's be ready for the situation before it catches us with our pants down.
Its not like democrats don't have pro India people. We have to identify and fund them, do whatever it takes to make things happen. We cant rely on off chances.

US is an important partner and we have to cultivate good relations with them regardless of which party is in power and that means "Money". We have to exert our influence through our diaspora and goras too, money is key. Put money in hollywood, like chinks are doing. Put money in businesses. If americans know they can make money with you, then they are your best friends.
 

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It only talks about corona part plus it was a blanket statement during heat of a debate, doesn't matter much. Strategically speaking Trump is a better choice than sleepy joe for India, that's why most of the peeps support him.
 

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Anyone thinking Biden & democrats are gonna be good for India - get yourself checked into an asylum.

Democrats are loony lefts, hijacked by Islamists.
The current Democrats would put even Obama's democrats into shame.
 

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Why Biden-Harris are disastrous for India
Biden, Kamala Harris pose for photo together amid 2020 speculation | TheHill

[Joe Biden and Kamala Harris]
The fun thing about an American presidential elections is its slam bang nature where the candidates of the Republican and Democratic parties and the media, lining up on either side, go at each other, hammer and tongs, in unending and enjoyable bouts of name calling and verbal slug fests that build up to a train wreck with the results Nov 3 providing relief.

The special interest this year relates to Donald Trump seeking reelection in a year when everything that can go wrong has gone wrong or is going wrong in the US, not little because of the actions of the President himself. The economy has plummeted following the pandemic, lives and livelihoods in the millions are lost — at last count over 30 million are out of work and, in the wake of the Minneapolis policeman’s knee on the neck death of a black man, race relations are on the boil and riots and social unrest prevail in many American cities.

The start point was the corona. Beginning in January this year when the first instances of the corona virus were evidenced in that country to now, six months later, when it has killed 165,000 with the death rate rising at the rate of an American succumbing every 80 seconds, Trump has been in absolute denial. He has denied the essential nature of the virus, the global pandemic it has caused, and the manner of its spread. In the face of hard irrefutable contrary data and reality, he has stuck pigheadedly to his line that (1) all’s well, (2) the US is faring better than every other country in the world, (3) testing for the virus is the reason why the numbers of the afflicted are so high, and (4) things like masks, social distancing, and lock downs recommended by medical professionals to contain the spread, are unwanted restraints on the economy and delay the return of normalcy.

His solutions for the slumping US economy are bad enough — increasing tariffs, shutting down trade, cutting social welfare benefits for the needy and unemployed and cutting taxes on the wealthy and, for the pandemic, are wackier still even by the vaudeville standard of his presidency. Trump has recommended as antidote that (i) doing nothing and people going about their lives normally will lead to the virus, somehow, magically, “miraculously” “disappearing”, (ii) people ingest hydroxychloroquine — a drug to tackle other maladies (such as malaria) — labelled by Trump as “gift of God” — that appalled doctors warned, far from alleviating danger, would actually do serious harm, and which is where India stepped briefly into the Trumpian circus lights owing to his personal call to Prime Minister Narendra Modi to ship as much of this drug to America as India has stocks of, and to top it all (iii) “inject” detergent — yea, the stuff you clean toilets with — into the human body to “kill the virus”! Sure, it will kill the virus as also the person so treated. He even mused to the Press that exposing the virus to light — somehow introduced inside the bodies of corona-infected patients could be a cure! Even as Trump thus holds forth, his medical advisers sit stony-faced in the press room trying desperately not to chortle in the President’s face — the situation being too serious to even laugh at nonsense.

So, why is the unbearably impulsive and mercurial Trump with a mental disorder, as his niece and professional psychologist, Mary Trump, alleges in her book, better for India than the more mainstream and old world Joe Biden and his part-Indian running mate, Kamala Harris?

(The Tamil brahmin half of the aspirant to US Vice President’s post is what the media here is making much of as if she is some long lost daughter of Chennai who has little else in mind than doing good for that city and India! Ms. Harris’ mother, Shyamala, apparently left for the US to study endocrinology at UC, Berkeley, in the 1960s where she met her husband and Kamala’s father, Donald Harris — a fellow foreign student from Jamaica, now professor of economics at Stanford University. Clearly, Ms. Harris doesn’t lack for intellect or, as she has displayed throughout her career, political moxie compared to her Republican counterpart, the stiff and humourless Mike Pence, who calls his wife “Mother”! The Delhi effect will be for Kamala’s maternal uncle, Dr G. Balachandran, for many years the nonproliferation mainstay at IDSA, to be thrust into the limelight.)

Since late 2018, Trump has more reasonably targeted China for carrying on with unbalanced and unfair trade, for stealing US secrets and intellectual property rights and, most recently, and for deliberately causing a pandemic by allowing what he calls the ‘China virus’ — corona virus by another name, to spread to all over the world from its locus genesis in the city of Wuhan. He has shutdown Chinese investments in the high technology sectors in Silicon valley and elsewhere, stopped the entry of Chinese citizens into the US, threatened to sanction particular members of the Chinese nomenklatura, been more aggressive in showing flag in support of its Asian partners and allies in the East Sea and the South China Sea by deploying US aircraft carrier task groups and smaller naval flotillas on freedom of navigation patrols, transferred a bunch of advanced military hardware to Taiwan, and led a ruckus over Beijing’s move to, in effect, absorb Hong Kong, which is violative of its treaty obligations to the United Kingdom. By thus politically and militarily pressing China, restricting Chinese imports into America, and slowing down its economy, US distracts Beijing and indirectly advantages India.

Trump did all this unilaterally with spur-of-moment decisions — initiatives that the US State Department opposed but could do nothing to stop. From India’s point of view it was an immeasurably good thing to happen because these various streams of Trump’s anti-China policy came together and peaked around the time Beijing had begun annexing Indian territory in eastern Ladakh earlier this summer. The unintended but beneficial consequence for India was that it put the brakes on whatever plans the Xi Jinping-chaired Central Military Commission may have originally tasked the People’s Liberation Army with achieving. Beijing realized that it had opened too many fronts at the same time, and by at least notionally negotiating with the Modi government put off more difficult choices. All the while though, Beijing made it plain that Indian foreign minister S Jaishankar’s June 19 demand for restoration of status quo ante was, well, for the birds, and that it would keep what it has occupied.

Xi’s amor propre required that China respond substantively if not in equally harsh measure to the US, afraid that pushing the Trump Administration too far would permanently damage its interests in the US, which it can’t afford to happen. But there’s a ratcheting up of the action-reaction chain, which again assists India’s cause. However, should Biden-Harris get voted to power — which I predicted will happen come November in a June 4 post (“The end of Trump”), the US will revert to its longstanding policy of mutual accommodation with China that will entail easing the pressure, especially in the contested maritime domain in Asia and vis a vis the Belt and Road Initiative in Central Asia extending to the Gulf and West Asia. That was, after all, what the US’ China policy during the Obama years was when Biden was Vice President. Recall Obama and Xi agreeing on a two-power condominium — G-2 to rule the world? This will not be good for India.

Far worse, the US policy establishment, reviled as the “deep state” by Trump and his appointees, will get the prospective Biden policy back on its nuclear nonproliferation hinge, and resume its focus of the last 45-odd years of getting India to “cap, freeze, rollback” its nuclear weapons programme. Trump, on his part, dismantled the international nuclear order by ending the strategic arms limitation talks (SALT-II) with Russia on the reasonable ground that without China in it such an accord makes little sense, ditching the Intermediate Nuclear Forces treaty in Europe, and junking the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran — any of which events could have been used by a strong-minded Indian government to initiate nuclear testing to acquire proven and tested high yield thermonuclear weapons. In the event, Modi will be arm-twisted into getting India back on the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty track in the disarmament negotiations in Geneva, with the goal of compelling the Indian government to renounce all future nuclear testing — the foundation of the deleterious 2008 civil nuclear cooperation deal with the US that Jaishankar, as Joint Secretary (Americas), had negotiated with Washington.

In parallel, the old US policy of maintaining the power balance in South Asia will be resumed vigorously by Biden. It had wavered a bit during the Trump tenure owing to Modi’s making an impression on the US President that culminated in his grand reception in Delhi in January this year. All that goodwill, if not zeroed out, then the tenor of the bilateral relationship will be recalibrated. What this will mean in practice is that Pakistan will once again be able to rely on both China and the US to actively help it to square off against India. And, of course, the Democratic party and Biden-Harris in particular will be far more inclined to collar India on the Kashmir, human rights abuses, and similar issues.

The slight positives with Biden in will be in two areas: the pressure on India to buy the old and counterproductive Lockheed F-16 combat aircraft dressed up as F-21 that Trump was pushing on Modi, will recede. And the old H1B visa regime much liked by Indian IT firms sending off armies of software techies to America to do jobs at cut rate salaries, and that Modi tried his damndest to convince Trump to go easy on and failed, may return. It will open up the gates for Indian professionals to go more easily to the US, to augment their earnings by getting their spouses to work on the H-4 visa that Trump had closed down, and to try and convert their H1B status to ‘green card’ and permanent residency. Back home. it will consolidate the support of this section of the aspiring Indian middle class behind Modi by the time the 2024 general elections roll around.

On balance, it is obvious India’s interests are better served by the Republican Administration under Trump, which is ideologically and viscerally at odds with Communist China than by the Biden-Harris combo eager to regain the normal as Beijing sees it. All right thinking Indians must hope Trump returns to power even if that mightily screws up the internal situation in that country and roils the American society. But that’s for Americans to worry about.
 

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