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2016 India–Pakistan military confrontation
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Thanks Brother !!
You are doing a fabulous job.Keep that going.People like you inspire me.
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Media is cross checking information.
Most of the news that coming to the media are systematically released information from BSF officers...just like what happened during surgical strikes.
Once the media is having a certain specific information on action..they are cross checking it with former officers and other contacts to detail the news to the audience..
Like for example former RAW officer..former Army personnels etc who are explaining what the BSF news is about..about sectors...casualties...action under taken etc
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bhai ye second link mein kya hai ??
paki defence minister is a RAW agent ??
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The Army itself is reporting the action, look at Northern Command twitter feed and they are above doubt based on past history.
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Man..that rocked...awesome...paki defence minister is a RAW agent ??
Hey..is he really a RAW Agent??!!!??? What if he is...Jokes apart...
pakis will be pissing in pants now!
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these information are released by official pages of BSF & northern commands of Indian Army .
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I am only making an asumption that during surgical strike all the media, opposition etc asked for proof now.. it is media reporting the cross border firing and how many Porkis have been killed by Indian forces..
No one will ask any proof to BJP like earlier, finally media is the one who is present at LOC , though not live.
There are reporters present close to LOC. If there is shelling going on they would confirm it. Even if nothing is happening, it will be media to be blamed not BJP for this fraud.
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One Lt.colonal dead and one Major Jalal Seriously injured, BOTH in the highway 
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Watch Times Now, they were showing video and audio of shelling
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https://www.geo.tv/latest/119165-Khawaja-Asif-arrives-in-Dubai-says-will-return-on-Sunday
ISLAMABAD: Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Saturday said he had arrived in Dubai with his family to attend a wedding, amid heightened political temperatures as the opposition Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) prepares for a major anti-government rally in Islamabad next week.
"Just arrived in Dubai with family to attend a wedding, will b back inshallah tmrw morning," said the defence minister in a message posted on Twitter, assuring he would return the next day.
But Asif's departure was met with jubilation from the opposition, which claimed he had 'fled' the country.
In a post on Twitter earlier today, PTI chairman Imran Khan 'congratulated' the nation, claiming one of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's close aide had 'fled', another had been sacked, while the rest were "trembling as they look over their shoulders".
Khan was apparently referring to the defence minister and Pervaiz Rashid, who was asked to step down as Federal Information Minister earlier today.
Awww knew it was too good to be true
ISLAMABAD: Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Saturday said he had arrived in Dubai with his family to attend a wedding, amid heightened political temperatures as the opposition Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) prepares for a major anti-government rally in Islamabad next week.
"Just arrived in Dubai with family to attend a wedding, will b back inshallah tmrw morning," said the defence minister in a message posted on Twitter, assuring he would return the next day.
But Asif's departure was met with jubilation from the opposition, which claimed he had 'fled' the country.
In a post on Twitter earlier today, PTI chairman Imran Khan 'congratulated' the nation, claiming one of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's close aide had 'fled', another had been sacked, while the rest were "trembling as they look over their shoulders".
Khan was apparently referring to the defence minister and Pervaiz Rashid, who was asked to step down as Federal Information Minister earlier today.
Awww knew it was too good to be true
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Rampant lying by pakis..even paki DM cant attend a wedding
poor sod.
but hey..cant say if he will ever be back..as every paki minister flees to Dubai.
Imrak khan should make sure that he stays back in Dubai
atleast for his propaganda to have the effect
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Look at the Major all smug after falling in gutter jaise Gold medal jit ke aaya ho Olympics main
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sahi toh hai yaar
Look at the Major all smug after falling in gutter jaise Gold medal jit ke aaya ho Olympics main
sala jab bhi pakistani gutter mein girta hai toh marta hi hai
this jhantu is the person to survive free fall into a gutter..................
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I don't think he can post here, rizzy like my post if you can see this please? @rizwan78
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Surgical Strikes Can’t Be Brave Flash In The Pan And Must Become New Norm In South Asia
by Maj. Gen. (Retd) G D Bakshi
The surgical strikes have underlined a critical dimension of national security—national resolve. Thomas Schelling had spoken about the aspect of a nation’s reputation for resolve. A nation-state like Israel has a fearsome reputation for resolve. Any terrorist strike on its soil would be responded to by immediate retaliation in the form of air attacks, drone strikes or raids. Retribution would be lethal. Similarly, Vietnam has acquired a fierce reputation for steely resolve. It has fought with formidable foes such as France, the US and China. China under Mao Zedong cultivated an equally fierce reputation for national resolve. It launched a million men across the Yalu river in Korea when the Americans failed to heed its warnings and did not stop their advance towards China.
India unfortunately has acquired a reputation as a soft state. Despite being a military and economic power, it was most unwilling to use force to protect its national interests. The historical roots of this aversion go back to our freedom struggle. The British realized the limitations of Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violent approach and tacitly encouraged it. It was Netaji Bose who strongly advocated that non-violence would not get us freedom. The center of gravity of the British rule was the loyalty of Indian armed forces to the Raj. Bose wanted to strike at this loyalty. The British Indian Army had grown to the size of 1.3 million men in World War I and 2.5 million in World War II. The loyalty of the Indian troops had not wavered. In the axis powers of World War II, Bose saw an opportunity to throw out the British by using the Kautilyan dictum—“an enemy’s enemy is a friend.”
Gandhiji virtually drove Bose into exile. Later Bose escaped to Germany and raised the Indesche Legion from Indian PoWs. Then he traveled to Japan in a submarine and took charge of the Indian National Army (INA) and expanded it to 60,000 men in arms. He formed an Indian government in exile, which was recognised by nine countries (including Russia). The battles of Imphal-Kohima were the most fiercely fought in British military history—26,000 men of the INA perished in the Burma campaign. Though the INA lost these battles, it won the war for India’s freedom. In a triumphalist gesture, the British put three INA officers on trial in the Red Fort, which enraged the nation and led to large-scale rioting.
What was significant, however, was the impact it had on the loyalty of the Indian in the armed forces of the Raj. In February 1946, mutinies broke out in the Royal Indian Navy, Air Force and finally the Army. The British saw the writing on the wall and panicked. Within a year, they had granted Independence.
Contrary to the contrived national narrative, force played a significant role in India getting freedom. The key decision-maker was Lord Clement Atlee, the then British PM, who went on record to say that it was primarily Bose, INA and the mutinies they inspired that forced Britain to grant Independence. To gain political legitimacy, court historians distorted the narrative of the freedom struggle to deny any role of force and glorified tools of ahimsa. This led to an emphasis on pacifism and cultivated abhorrence for the use of force. India became a soft state and a virtual punching bag for its neighbors.
The armed forces were deliberately under-resourced, which led to the disaster of 1962. Correctives were applied by the Lal Bahadur Shastri and Indira Gandhi regimes who expanded and modernized the armed forces. In the 1971 war, Mrs Gandhi broke Pakistan won a historic victory. After her assassination and then her son’s, India went back to being an effete power. For 46 years after 1971, no other PM gave the order to cross the LoC or international border.
In 1980, Pakistan started an asymmetric war in Punjab and took it to J&K and the rest of India. India failed to respond to these provocations. South Asia had gone nuclear, and the civilian leadership terrified itself into complete impotence based on exaggerated fears of a nuclear war with Pakistan. Not just Pakistan, the Cabinet Secretary refused to authorise use of the Indian Navy even against Somali pirates.
It is only recently that surgical raids were launched across the border in Myanmar and PoK. At long last, India has shown national resolve. The surgical strike in PoK was done overtly. It served to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff and allayed fears of Chinese military intervention. India must now inculcate a reputation for resolve and the willingness to use military force to safeguard its interests. The surgical strikes cannot be a brave flash in the pan. It must become the new norm in South Asia. Pakistan must be clear that any more Uris will invite strong retaliation at a time and place of India’s choosing.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/mag...become-new-norm-in-south-asia-1532154--1.html
Edit: Edited with correct title... messed up during posting!!
by Maj. Gen. (Retd) G D Bakshi
The surgical strikes have underlined a critical dimension of national security—national resolve. Thomas Schelling had spoken about the aspect of a nation’s reputation for resolve. A nation-state like Israel has a fearsome reputation for resolve. Any terrorist strike on its soil would be responded to by immediate retaliation in the form of air attacks, drone strikes or raids. Retribution would be lethal. Similarly, Vietnam has acquired a fierce reputation for steely resolve. It has fought with formidable foes such as France, the US and China. China under Mao Zedong cultivated an equally fierce reputation for national resolve. It launched a million men across the Yalu river in Korea when the Americans failed to heed its warnings and did not stop their advance towards China.
India unfortunately has acquired a reputation as a soft state. Despite being a military and economic power, it was most unwilling to use force to protect its national interests. The historical roots of this aversion go back to our freedom struggle. The British realized the limitations of Mahatma Gandhi’s non-violent approach and tacitly encouraged it. It was Netaji Bose who strongly advocated that non-violence would not get us freedom. The center of gravity of the British rule was the loyalty of Indian armed forces to the Raj. Bose wanted to strike at this loyalty. The British Indian Army had grown to the size of 1.3 million men in World War I and 2.5 million in World War II. The loyalty of the Indian troops had not wavered. In the axis powers of World War II, Bose saw an opportunity to throw out the British by using the Kautilyan dictum—“an enemy’s enemy is a friend.”
Gandhiji virtually drove Bose into exile. Later Bose escaped to Germany and raised the Indesche Legion from Indian PoWs. Then he traveled to Japan in a submarine and took charge of the Indian National Army (INA) and expanded it to 60,000 men in arms. He formed an Indian government in exile, which was recognised by nine countries (including Russia). The battles of Imphal-Kohima were the most fiercely fought in British military history—26,000 men of the INA perished in the Burma campaign. Though the INA lost these battles, it won the war for India’s freedom. In a triumphalist gesture, the British put three INA officers on trial in the Red Fort, which enraged the nation and led to large-scale rioting.
What was significant, however, was the impact it had on the loyalty of the Indian in the armed forces of the Raj. In February 1946, mutinies broke out in the Royal Indian Navy, Air Force and finally the Army. The British saw the writing on the wall and panicked. Within a year, they had granted Independence.
Contrary to the contrived national narrative, force played a significant role in India getting freedom. The key decision-maker was Lord Clement Atlee, the then British PM, who went on record to say that it was primarily Bose, INA and the mutinies they inspired that forced Britain to grant Independence. To gain political legitimacy, court historians distorted the narrative of the freedom struggle to deny any role of force and glorified tools of ahimsa. This led to an emphasis on pacifism and cultivated abhorrence for the use of force. India became a soft state and a virtual punching bag for its neighbors.
The armed forces were deliberately under-resourced, which led to the disaster of 1962. Correctives were applied by the Lal Bahadur Shastri and Indira Gandhi regimes who expanded and modernized the armed forces. In the 1971 war, Mrs Gandhi broke Pakistan won a historic victory. After her assassination and then her son’s, India went back to being an effete power. For 46 years after 1971, no other PM gave the order to cross the LoC or international border.
In 1980, Pakistan started an asymmetric war in Punjab and took it to J&K and the rest of India. India failed to respond to these provocations. South Asia had gone nuclear, and the civilian leadership terrified itself into complete impotence based on exaggerated fears of a nuclear war with Pakistan. Not just Pakistan, the Cabinet Secretary refused to authorise use of the Indian Navy even against Somali pirates.
It is only recently that surgical raids were launched across the border in Myanmar and PoK. At long last, India has shown national resolve. The surgical strike in PoK was done overtly. It served to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff and allayed fears of Chinese military intervention. India must now inculcate a reputation for resolve and the willingness to use military force to safeguard its interests. The surgical strikes cannot be a brave flash in the pan. It must become the new norm in South Asia. Pakistan must be clear that any more Uris will invite strong retaliation at a time and place of India’s choosing.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/mag...become-new-norm-in-south-asia-1532154--1.html
Edit: Edited with correct title... messed up during posting!!
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mera ek like rizwan paan wala ki taraf se............
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