2016 India–Pakistan military confrontation

[scatterStorm]

Actually in a matter yes. You see India would be very much happy to have a good for nothing governance in Pakistan to push it towards pit fall. As of today Pakistan is technically bankrupt and its international debt is on rise. Any short of HV civilian target erase would mean total failure of so called democracy in Pakistan. It would be military taking over Pakistan or someone with military backing that too without a coup.

Have a look at their analyst discussing their civil condition. Pakistan is right now in a tumultuous civil condition and its in our greater good to keep them like that. One thing we could do is to keep their Army engaged up in eastern and western border. Just keep the army away from civil issues.

Economics and War are two different things, if we were to held our hopes for those aholes to decay on there own than we are done, sometimes things are quite simple and effective by force too. The cold war policies don't work here I am afraid, those were very different times than these. Today threats are highly dynamic and unconventional which we are witnessing right now, and to counter such, sometimes military might is needed.

 

[hammer head]

What a sorry state of security at Nagrote base and what's more pathetic are the statements given to explain security breach.
" The army will investigate later how the attackers breached the highly fortified base, but officers said the terrorists were from the fidayeen or suicide squad and were "determined to get in"."

"Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said: "Statistics have shown the attack is on military installations. Civilians are not being targeted.""

Source: http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/3-so...ack-on-army-base-near-jammu-10-points-1631637

Officers are attributing it to "Determination" of Fidayeen and our RM is taking refuge into "Statistics" after giving lofty speeches about surgical strikes and LOC actions. He should think that these words could come back to haunt him in the form of Fidayeen strikes !!
Now what's next ?? A wait for another surgical strike...

I can very well understand the sentiment here and all the questions right from how is it possible to why families are their, Well first of all any sentry whose at the first check point is a DETERRENCE at the same point VULNERABLE too.in this case this was a forced entry with 3 grenades lobbed at the two sentries guarding the entry point who later succumbed to the injuries. The first target which came in sight was the Officers Mess and so the hostage situation,Maj Kaushal who lost his life was getting ready for the PT session and was to assemble at the ground he was responsible for thwarting the attackers from killing the families which were sleeping at the time imagine what would have happened if these chaps would have taken over,

All this took place in the first 12 min of the forced entry and after that it was all about containing the situation.
And how the Does the Army do it ??
You locate from where the fire is coming and fire back and pin them down.
Cover fire allows men to take different positions close to the militants.
someone somewhere makes sense of what is happening and how to contain and neutralize the scumbags along with finding out what exactly is the strength of these pigs as the eye witnesses are themselves casualties.

All what I am telling here is the first-hand account of what happened and i may pls be corrected if i am wrong

Was their a fuckup somewhere?? Yes !! Court of inquiry will find out how and who were responsible.
A man who has come to die will surely inflict some damage on you no matter what, Indeed these damages can be minimised and this is what the Army has to focus on.

 

[Poseidon]

Lt General DS Hooda who will retire tomorrow is furious.
He wants quick and powerful vengeance.

 

[Bornubus]

Old video of LoC crossing

@Bornubus @Screambowl @hit&run @Project Dharma @hammer head

What technique are they using

Video looks old from 2003 when fencing was new. Now in 2016 there is 3 tier surveillance that infiltration is down by 75 % . Probably using this video for propaganda and to recruit new Jihadis that Allah can help you breach Indian fencing.


Also where there is no fence new Bunkers and OP are built over the years so Jihadis are pretty much fucked up by Army. But Even then there is no 100 % guarantee for stopping infiltration.

LOC Snow Patrol - Para SF

 

[raja696]

The cease fire talks with our northern command by Pakistan army is well thought one and we have fallen prey to it which is a trap.

Before infiltration attacks( by terrorists) and losses we succumb were counter balanced by our fierce army border retaliation.

And pakis suffered huge casualties.

Now they begged for truce and we agreed. Any violations by our side with out provocation , world will see it as Indian aggression. Hence our side dont retaliate because our peace nick name in the world is more important than avenging our fallen soldiers.

This is the trap pakis always plan while they do talks. And always we fall for it.

The way we have to counter this is with utterly violation of border sanctity ... lacking of which is the basic difference between Indian army and Israeli retaliation.

What @bournabus said is absolutely right ... Army should leave world perception and retaliate brutally. And its not there job to consider human rights or violations.

For that diplomacy and bureaucracy should deal with it. Diplomates and bureaucrats should work for army narrative not other way around.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Start a limited war.Move in the pinakas and smerch.

 

[Bornubus]

This Paki troop was executed by our forces in 2013 and his body returned to Pakis is flag meeting.

That's his Type 56 lying over his cold dead body

@Zarvan And one more thing. He was captured from your own territory

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Attacks on army installations during the ceasefire violations were close to zero. We have to keep them occupied on LOC else we will keep on losing more and more soldiers (defensive strategy).

 

[indiatester]

No longer possible by helicopter or on foot.

There are enough gaps. Their defenses are not as strong as ours, nor are they used to taking a pounding by an intruding force.
We are far more capable.

 

[Bornubus]

Paki Madarchodon ne indian forces Patka ki bhi perfect copy bana li

Only difference is the camo pattern

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[India22]

There are enough gaps. Their defenses are not as strong as ours, nor are they used to taking a pounding by an intruding force.
We are far more capable.

If you mean going in and blasting everything then we can. But we cant no longer sneak into their territory and hit terrorist camps and return before Pakistanis assemble.

 

[SilentKiller]

All 3 terrorists killed, all of them were in army uniform.



Pakistani cant fight us 1 on 1 so now they activated their proxies

correction police.
this was a gift sent by porki to india..
i have just 1 query, why have we stopped shelling of Pok?
pakistan will not learn lesson until unless this war becomes too expensive for them, right now its very cheap, they have idiots ready to die, all they have to do is supply them..
this time too they wanted same causalities as happened in uri..god sake we stopped that..
keep on intense shelling of whole of Pok, pull civilians from border areas.

 

[mavles ihctep]

Paki pigs killed in nagrota

 

[mavles ihctep]

Paki pigs killed in samba IB by BSF

 

[IndianHawk]

Paki pigs killed in nagrota
View attachment 11991

Throw these bodies to hungry pigs indeed !!

 

[SilentKiller]

Lets not speculate until army speaks up, plz don't follow NDTV specially, they are Pak sponsored media in India

people should refrain from tagging some guys or news channels as anti national.
best thing is u are free to avoid these channels if they don't meet your mindset..

No one is forcing u to watch these channels or take their news.

and back to topic, india should continue with PoK shelling make this a very expensive affair for porkis..no other option now.

 

[indiatester]

If you mean going in and blasting everything then we can. But we cant no longer sneak into their territory and hit terrorist camps and return before Pakistanis assemble.

You are simultaneously underestimating our forces while attributing capabilities to Pakis they don't possess at all places all the times.
For some places sure. But with a time and place of our choosing, they can't.

 

[indiazain]

Time for us to disproportionately start killing Porkis weather civilian or terrorist or illegal pak forces. Porkisthan should be rename terroriststhan or rather a terrorist hell hole.No human rights exists for these bastards.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

Old video of LoC crossing

@Bornubus @Screambowl @hit&run @Project Dharma @hammer head

What technique are they using

Comments by Pakistanis on that video are eye opening.

kuffar are finished

GAZWA e hind zindabad

very good India mein gus kr maro

kill to all Hindu

cool

hindu ne khatam hona hi ha musalmano k hatho ye likhi hui baat ha india ki zameen pe muslim raaj hoga 1400 saal phle likh diya gya ha jo kabhi jhoot nh ho sakta In Sha Allah

These are educated Pakistanis with accesss to internet, not some poor illiterate victims of some imaginary injustice.

 

[Project Dharma]

Comments by Pakistanis on that video are eye opening.













These are educated Pakistanis with accesss to internet.

That and the other video interviewing Pakis on the other side where they are talking about kafir casually and that video was broadcast on Paki channels. Peace is futile until every single one of them is neutralized.